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The Commish
Footballguy
It's squis....similar to Noonan, when he doesn't get his attention he goes to all the threads he can think of posting until he gets his attention.
rockaction
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Not by me. bigbottom posted the original tweet in the Trump Tweets thread and I commented on that as I did in another thread where it was posted.
It is not prohibited to discuss the same topic, event, or news item in more than one thread (see Trump Years thread, Trump 2020 HQ thread, Russia Investigation thread, Trump Impeachment Investigation thread, etc.) where the same item/topic has been discussed simultaneously in all threads. If you think all threads relating to Trump should be merged into one thread, perhaps you should start a thread and a poll on that.
I felt it is also relevant here because we keep hearing about how good blacks are doing under Trump and how popular he is with him, which is simply not true (at least the popularity part).
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rockaction
Footballguy
No need for arguments or kvetching on my end, really. I just thought it had been done quite a bit today. I was surprised. In terms of board upkeep and format, you'll also note I changed the ***Official*** CNN title to a more suitable title.
Cheers!
squistion
Footballguy
Thanks, that title always made me cringe, now I won't have to start a "CNN the Good Place!" thread.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Ask Hillary about the reliability of polling. When it comes to unemployment, etc., blacks are doing better then ever. People do vote with their pocketbooks.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Ugh...go search polling and then get back to us. Its been gone over tome and tome and time again.
You can keep the pocketbook claim going and act as if people don't see through his crap. Do you honestly (I know
) believe he will improve significantly with African Americans? Despite 2016 and 2018?
squistion
Footballguy
Take a look at any graph with black unemployment in the years under Obama and then Trump. Trump is continuing the exact same trend, it has continued exactly in the same direction and to the same extent as under Obama. There is no policy of Trump's that you can point that has improved black unemployment on any timeline since he took office.
And if you really think these lynching comments won't be brought up constantly until election day 2020 to remind black voters where he is really coming from (not that they should have had any doubt before this) then you seriously underestimate the value of word of mouth in the AA community.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Or maybe, you know, talk to some actual black people once in a while. I live in Atlanta and have black family members. Trust me, they largely despise Trump.
Zow
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
"Ask Al Bundy about scoring 4 touchdowns in one game."
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I was shopping at Costco recently and saw an African American gentleman wearing a “#### Trump” shirt. I didn’t get a chance to ask if he plans to vote for him but I did tell him I liked his shirt.
Jobber
Footballguy
Not to mention, the side eye black people get from the likes of the Trump Rally folks I’m sure doesn’t pull them toward the GOP.
rockaction
Footballguy
The real question that everybody in this forum should ask themselves is Does this matter? Does it matter if Republicans don't take polls seriously? Wouldn't that be to the Democrats' advantage? Take the gift.
But aha! It's not a gift. They actually want Republicans to bow before the polls and shape policy and attitudes therewith. Well, they can wait until hell freezes over as far as I'm concerned. No poll determines a necessary course of action.
It's bizarre, this need for approval. It's as if we can't let the democratic process be the democratic process. It must be democratic now, democratic all the time. Well, that's not the intent nor structure of the Republic. Sorry.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think that is anything unique to Dems or politics. It's just a scoreboard pointing thing. Trump loves polls too.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think it's endemic to Democrats, but I think it runs deeper than just scoreboard pointing. It's almost a democratic (small "d") virtue signal, where if you're way off in the polls you must be doing something wrong, or anti-democratic, as it were.
It also seems to be an especially sore subject in the particular forum as both virtual 2020 sideline HQs are constantly going back and forth about the validity of polling and polls and pollsters. It's been quite a unique dynamic in that respect, to say the least.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Yes?
Anybody who took a stats class, or has suffered a bad beat in poker, should understand that odds and probabilities based on a meaningful sample size are not absolute guarantees.
Please use words and discuss your points. Please don't just post an emoji only. Thanks.
Zow
Footballguy
I guess I missed it and/or didn't pay much attention to the explanations in the past. It's really a very simple mathematical point but I'll drop it if it's already been thoroughly discussed.
Just didn't understand why the guy was laughing at me when my point was, again, a very basic statistical concept.
Zow
Footballguy
I still don't understand why you found my post comical and deserving of an eye roll.
Imagine you're playing poker. In fact, imagine you're playing one of the bigger pots I've ever lost. You're holding QQ. Flop is a dry board (no straight or flush draws). Turn comes a QQ. You check raise an all-in for a few thousand. Villain insta-calls with KK. Math suggests you have a 42/44 chance of winning. River comes a K and you lose.
The above result doesn't change the analysis that you played the hand correctly because you got your money in when, statistically-speaking, you were a huge favorite and reasonably thought you were likely to win. Further, the fact that you lost doesn't suggest that the math was wrong - you did have a slight chance of losing. Regardless, the math isn't in error here.
Similarly, the polls - which operate off a sample size and can reasonably predict winning percentages much like the poker example - suggested that it was very likely that Hillary would win but allowed for the slight chance that Trump could win. And he did. But that doesn't invalidate the polls or prove that they were "wrong" because, mathematically-speaking, they accurately provided for that possible two-outer.
Tl;dr: America got a bad beat but math is still math.
supermike80
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Simply put, the polls were wrong. They were used over and over again to tell everyone Hillary would win in a landslide. I personally think polls are almost entirely useless and I have stated this before. So the attempt to say "well the polls were within the margin or error" (and not all were) is laughable to me.
In my opinion--polls are dumb and can't be trusted.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
supermike80
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OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
In my opinion...you should read more about polls, polling, and statistics.
Simply put...nation polls were not wrong. They were quite accurate and even comparing that to polling about people's opinions on something is also a big part of the problem here.
supermike80
Footballguy
Yeah Sho you point this out every time I mention I think polls are worthless. And while I try to not give anyone personal advice, because it isn't right for me to do so, it seems you enjoy it.
I will simply say we disagree on the effective or validity of polls. OK?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes..I point it out because I understand how polling and statistics work and believe they provide us valuable information
In the case of this thread...support for Trump or each party (which differs from the..."hillary has X% chance of winning"). Comparing the two is quite funny.
And no...I don't enjoy having to repeat the same stuff over and over about statistics and polling when people play the "well, how did that work out in 2016" type of stuff.
supermike80
Footballguy
If you want to make it a personal attack , that's your decision. I won't.
Edited to add: However one thing I can promise you.....You making it personal will never lead me to hit the good ol "report" button. So have at it freely.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Nothing I stated was a personal attack...nor do I care if you try to report me or not.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Pointing out that someone doesn't understand polling and statistics is not a personal attack.
If I posted "Sam Darnold had a 5.8 QB rating the other night! That's amazing since 4.0 is like straight A's!"
Would it be a personal attack for someone to correct me?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Can you guys please put him on ignore?
supermike80
Footballguy
The ignore feature is childish. Another feature I will never use. There are posters here who I have publicly committed to never respond to, but I won't put them on ignore.
But that's me.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Encumbrance
Footballguy
GROOT
Footballguy
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Zow
Footballguy
In other words, math is dumb. Awesome.
Such a shame that your vote also counts as much at Nozick’s....
timschochet
Footballguy
No, it isn’t.
Most disagreements are OK. But some aren’t. If Kyrie Irving insists that the Earth is flat, that’s not an OK disagreement. If somebody tries to tell me that the Holocaust never happened, that’s not simply “another point of view” that we should respect. And when you disparage math because you did not understand what happened in 2016, it’s not OK. Your “opinion” on this is wrong, objectively.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Yes, it is ok
Its whatever. Who cares really?
But here, if someone posts something that is incorrect the horde has to pounce and try to correct him.
R E L A X
I disagree. Farmers are going to vote for Trump and he has been the worst President for their pocketbooks in our nation's history
msommer
Footballguy
The power of the letter behind his name (and the decades of propaganda that has imbued such power)
supermike80
Footballguy
Here is where I disagree with you and most on this board. If Kyrie Irving wants to believe the Earth is flat, it IS OK to say we agree to disagree. Who am I to try to change that person's mind. It isn't your right, it isn't up to you. Leave it alone. I mean I can certainly say I think Kyrie is wrong, but that's where it ends. I'm not going to change his mind, nor is it my job to do so.
My opinion is as valid as yours because I believe polls are generally crap. I know you believe in them, as you quote them constantly, but they are something I generally pay little attention to.
So yeah. I agree to disagree
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supermike80
Footballguy
Yeah math is dumb...that what I said.
Anyway, my point is polls can be manipulated..the questions asked, how they are asked etc etc. You guys continually pick on some sources of polling, because it doesn't fit your objectives or your political biases. And there are others, from the other side that will argue that the polling sites you like are bunk. I can't believe you guys won't admit this.
Yes, the Hillary loss was within the margins..But you ALL know the polling methods across the country were called into question over that miss.
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