kittenmittens
Footballguy
He's going to be a nice dynasty buy low target after the suspension and now the injury. Most owners have no patience.
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Chris Herndon TE Jets (2 Viewers)
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
MARVELOUS
heckmanm
Footballguy
How much contact was he allowed with the team during his suspension? Not sure if that might factor into it, if his suspension didn't officially end until after the team's 4th game.
rockaction
Footballguy
Dang. This guy is my third TE in the subscription contest and the backup on one of my teams. I hope the Hock is able to play this week, or I'm in hock. Ad hoc? Whatever...
I'm in trouble.
I'm in trouble.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Same for me
Was planning to start Herndon this week then play matchups with him and Hock rest of way
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
So....it sounds like Gase is covering his own tracks by not revealing the injury until Mid-Week, even having to fib his way thru "We'll see how he looks at practice" knowing full well Herndon is likely out at least 2 more full games and this is likely a 2-4 week injury...the question becomes: What was Herndon doing? Who or where did this take place? In Jets facility during his 4 game suspension, is that legal because I don't know the answer.
Was Gase trying to get him ready on the down low, therefore violating league rules and could there be some fallout for Gase which is why he lied when asked directly about Herndon on Sun/Mon? Or did Herndon really go rogue on his own and practice running routes? Has that ever happened to another WR just jogging and running routes with no contact? Maybe I shouldn't go for that afternoon jog now.
Was Gase trying to get him ready on the down low, therefore violating league rules and could there be some fallout for Gase which is why he lied when asked directly about Herndon on Sun/Mon? Or did Herndon really go rogue on his own and practice running routes? Has that ever happened to another WR just jogging and running routes with no contact? Maybe I shouldn't go for that afternoon jog now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Josh Gordon hurt himself last year running unsupervised routes for Cleveland and missed time due to it.
I'm sure it's happened at other times.
rockaction
Footballguy
We had our bat signal on. Guys train on their own all the time. My word. Could it be that Gase was trying to get around the rules? Possibly. But razor points at Ockham, and Ockham says he hurt it training on his own.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that for some reason Herndon was allowed to be with the team during his suspension
rockaction
Footballguy
heckmanm
Footballguy
Interesting. I just assumed he wasn't allowed, which I think is usually the case. Perhaps it's different based on the reason for the suspension?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
https://mobile.twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1181178396195409930?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1181178396195409930&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fanduel.com%2Ftheduel%2Fposts%2Fchris-herndon-fantasy-outlook-makes-him-a-top-waiver-wire-add-ahead-of-week-6-return-from-suspension-01dpk8crmfxb
apparently he’s been “in the building during his suspension”
. Idk
-fish-
Footballguy
I was listening to some podcast that said activating him was a strong sign that he was going to play, but then learned that the Jets only had a week grace period to activate him following the suspension. Not sure what their other option would have been. Looks like I'm just gonna have to start him and take the hit with Olsen on a bye. Benches too short to roster someone else, and I'd rather keep Herndon for the rest of the season.
Taking a 0 this week won't be much worse than what I've had so far this season (Henry getting hurt, Vance McDonald getting hurt, Graham and Olsen putting up goose eggs).
Taking a 0 this week won't be much worse than what I've had so far this season (Henry getting hurt, Vance McDonald getting hurt, Graham and Olsen putting up goose eggs).
tackle for loss
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
That's not uncommon. In my league you can't have a empty spot (you need to start a player in every spot, no point shaving) but if you have an injury you can play the injured guy. Of course, if you have no injuries and pick up an injured player that wastes a roster spot, and our league is transaction limited.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
It has always been a crime to not start an active player in every league I have been in, regardless if out, bye or IR. So in my many years of fantasy sports, it is very uncommon in my world to be allowed. You see it happen a lot, but to be allowed? Im sure there are instances but it is very uncommon in my fantasy world. More power to you in that league.
Back to Herndon, which we are we expecting him back? Out this week maybe next week? That week 9 matchup against Miami is saucy.
pantherclub
Footballguy
dang it
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[scooter]
Footballguy
That's a dumb rule. People should be allowed to start the lineup that, in their opinion, gives them the best chance of winning the league.
-fish-
Footballguy
Allow starting a player on the active roster? He’s questionable. Are you forbidden from starting questionable players? Seems arbitrary.
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-fish-
Footballguy
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tackle for loss
Footballguy
So people should be allowed to start people on bye, who are declared out or on IR?
You are trying to say that is good for a league?
The "dumb" rule is not setting a complete lineup with active players.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
Thats not what I said, I said starting a player who is out, on bye or IR is bush league and a crime in all my leagues. Period.
I dont play in strange leagues that allow teams to start players who are on IR, bye or out. That seems like a league of inactive people who dont care and can make the competitive balance unfair.
If Herndon is delcared out, and you played him in any league I'm in, you would be fined.
daveR
Footballguy
Really depends on roster size and future outlook. In this case, he looks like a significant contributor long-term. Do you use up a roster spot and/or WW position for a one week fix?
tackle for loss
Footballguy
Yes, it forces you to make decisions, but I never knew a league did it any other way. I mean I know people do it, but never knew leagues allowed it punishment free.
daveR
Footballguy
In my 2 leagues, you only need to fill the position. If the player is out, you suffer a zero for his spot. That diminishes your chances of winning, so you have to weigh the cost of taking that path. If you have unlimited waivers and unlimited rosters, your demands make some sense. If not, it makes little sense to me to force owners to jumble their rosters due to injuries, especially when a player will likely return later in the season.tackle for loss said:
That one guy
Footballguy
Did I just wander into a thread started by the lone star?
The Frankman
Footballguy
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The Frankman
Footballguy
I'll need a TE when Amdrews goes on Bye next week. Amazingly Herndon was dropped in waivers by a Kelce owner, gonna put in a FAAB bid for him *crosses fingers*
EDIT: Fun fact, his name is actually Chris Herndon the IV.
EDIT: Fun fact, his name is actually Chris Herndon the IV.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
4 games suspended
3 games OUT with a Hammy
When or where is the pot of gold at the end of this rainbow? I feel like one of the Sharks on ABC when they start whining about not being able to see clearly how they will ever recoup their money...I'm starting to feel that way here.
He is only in Year 2, new head coach, the season has sailed.
3 games OUT with a Hammy
When or where is the pot of gold at the end of this rainbow? I feel like one of the Sharks on ABC when they start whining about not being able to see clearly how they will ever recoup their money...I'm starting to feel that way here.
He is only in Year 2, new head coach, the season has sailed.
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BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
I scooped him up weeks ago after I busted on OJ Howard. Thank God I snatched up Gerald Everett too. I'll hang in there on Herndon a little longer since the upcoming schedule is very good after this week.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I went Henry-Dissly-Everett-Herndon...I cut Henry Week 1 when there were reports he was being put in IR, I moved on or so I thought. I then learned he wasn't but it got to be too late and we can only carry 2 TEs. Dissly was great then he went on IR, now I have same as you. I don't trust Everett and Rams, his production comes at the expense of others that I think eventually will surge and his role reduced. but if Herndon can get out there finally, we can see what might develop. I have my doubts even though I own him.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Rumored to be a grade 2 strain which usually means about 4 weeks, sometimes longer.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I wanted a sample return before he comes back, hopefully for the Miami game, because NYJ haven't exactly been utilizing the TE even with Darnold.
With Darnold, Griffin has gone 4/3/10/0 (Buf) and 3/3/28/1 (Dal), and 2/1/1/0 (NE, which I'm writing off).
With Darnold, Griffin has gone 4/3/10/0 (Buf) and 3/3/28/1 (Dal), and 2/1/1/0 (NE, which I'm writing off).
rockaction
Footballguy
Mess of a year for Herndon. Darnold viewed him and Crowder as safety outlets, Herndon's space was just more downfield than Crowder's. Hurts the Jets big time, hurts Darnold.
Mess of a year for the Jets and injuries. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the team wasn't really that well run.
Mess of a year for the Jets and injuries. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the team wasn't really that well run.
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TZMarkie
Footballguy
Is this dude boycotting the ####fest known as the Jets or what?
In one league I am "reverse streaming" (tm) at TE. To those that don't know, thats essentially going to the wire every week, racking your brains and looking desperately for some type of bare bones production at TE. THE DIFFERENCE IS - you are reverse streaming. So basically anyone you pick gets 3 points or less.
In said league, I have streamed these luminaries, and somehow managed to find essentially their worst weeks and trotted them out. Thus far, I have streamed these players............. TYLER EIFERT 2.70 , TJ HOCKENSON .70 , TJ HOCKENSON again .10 , GREG OLSEN .50 , GREG OLSEN 0.00 , GREG OLSEN 5.20 , TJ HOCKENSON 3.20 , GERALD EVERETT 1.5
Grand total of 13.90 points at the TE position for the year, and 1.73 average points per week. (yeah I know PTTS)
Just thought this was humorous.
Anyhow, I keep wondering if Herndon will return. The Jets are just bad enough where they need to throw less than 20 yards downfield, right in Herndon's (whomever at TE) wheelhouse.
I think for some of us, he could be a real breath of fresh air and the opportunity is great rest of season.....especially the schedule.
But this guy needs to get on the field.
TZM
In one league I am "reverse streaming" (tm) at TE. To those that don't know, thats essentially going to the wire every week, racking your brains and looking desperately for some type of bare bones production at TE. THE DIFFERENCE IS - you are reverse streaming. So basically anyone you pick gets 3 points or less.
In said league, I have streamed these luminaries, and somehow managed to find essentially their worst weeks and trotted them out. Thus far, I have streamed these players............. TYLER EIFERT 2.70 , TJ HOCKENSON .70 , TJ HOCKENSON again .10 , GREG OLSEN .50 , GREG OLSEN 0.00 , GREG OLSEN 5.20 , TJ HOCKENSON 3.20 , GERALD EVERETT 1.5
Grand total of 13.90 points at the TE position for the year, and 1.73 average points per week. (yeah I know PTTS)
Just thought this was humorous.Anyhow, I keep wondering if Herndon will return. The Jets are just bad enough where they need to throw less than 20 yards downfield, right in Herndon's (whomever at TE) wheelhouse.
I think for some of us, he could be a real breath of fresh air and the opportunity is great rest of season.....especially the schedule.
But this guy needs to get on the field.
TZM
Don Hutson
Footballguy
There are 7 or 8 legit tight ends this year. If you don't have one of those, you can't even consider cutting Herndon. The alternatives on the waiver wire are laughably bad. I still think Herndon has elite potential. He looked great last year for a rookie. Sam Darnold could use a safety valve like Waller has been for Carr.Is this dude boycotting the ####fest known as the Jets or what?
In one league I am "reverse streaming" (tm) at TE. To those that don't know, thats essentially going to the wire every week, racking your brains and looking desperately for some type of bare bones production at TE. THE DIFFERENCE IS - you are reverse streaming. So basically anyone you pick gets 3 points or less.
In said league, I have streamed these luminaries, and somehow managed to find essentially their worst weeks and trotted them out. Thus far, I have streamed these players............. TYLER EIFERT 2.70 , TJ HOCKENSON .70 , TJ HOCKENSON again .10 , GREG OLSEN .50 , GREG OLSEN 0.00 , GREG OLSEN 5.20 , TJ HOCKENSON 3.20 , GERALD EVERETT 1.5
Grand total of 13.90 points at the TE position for the year, and 1.73 average points per week. (yeah I know PTTS)
Anyhow, I keep wondering if Herndon will return. The Jets are just bad enough where they need to throw less than 20 yards downfield, right in Herndon's (whomever at TE) wheelhouse.
I think for some of us, he could be a real breath of fresh air and the opportunity is great rest of season.....especially the schedule.
But this guy needs to get on the field.
TZM
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
God, I'm not sure I want to follow your lead lol.Is this dude boycotting the ####fest known as the Jets or what?
In one league I am "reverse streaming" (tm) at TE. To those that don't know, thats essentially going to the wire every week, racking your brains and looking desperately for some type of bare bones production at TE. THE DIFFERENCE IS - you are reverse streaming. So basically anyone you pick gets 3 points or less.
In said league, I have streamed these luminaries, and somehow managed to find essentially their worst weeks and trotted them out. Thus far, I have streamed these players............. TYLER EIFERT 2.70 , TJ HOCKENSON .70 , TJ HOCKENSON again .10 , GREG OLSEN .50 , GREG OLSEN 0.00 , GREG OLSEN 5.20 , TJ HOCKENSON 3.20 , GERALD EVERETT 1.5
Grand total of 13.90 points at the TE position for the year, and 1.73 average points per week. (yeah I know PTTS)
Anyhow, I keep wondering if Herndon will return. The Jets are just bad enough where they need to throw less than 20 yards downfield, right in Herndon's (whomever at TE) wheelhouse.
I think for some of us, he could be a real breath of fresh air and the opportunity is great rest of season.....especially the schedule.
But this guy needs to get on the field.
TZM
Yep, I'm looking at adding him back in one league.
