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When did that happen?Years of amnesty has given the USA the image that anyone can come here and succeed or take advantage like its that easy.
When did that happen?Years of amnesty has given the USA the image that anyone can come here and succeed or take advantage like its that easy.
Migrant advocacy groups usually put them together to get attention, but I have not heard of any group claiming to have put this one together.How does a migrant caravan start? Honest question.
Religious or Political affiliated groups?Migrant advocacy groups usually put them together to get attention, but I have not heard of any group claiming to have put this one together.
I'm convinced Trump is paying for this. I'm also convinced he's paying for the skeezer lawyer and 2020 Democrat front runner Michael Avenatti. Nobody can be this lucky, can they?Lets start with, who is paying for this?
I don’t believe they are religious groups.Religious or Political affiliated groups?
We don't want people walking over our border and declaring,I’m not surprised by some of the posts in here (build the wall, go back home!! Send them back!!) etc. But they depress me anyhow. I know that these attitudes are why Trump was elected. But it bothers me that otherwise decent people can feel this way. To be so threatened by desperate refugees- the fear and ignorance here is startling.
Other than a predictable amount of racism, I doubt Donald Trump truly cares about this issue at all. But he knows what gets his base going.
From what I've read over the last couple of years, you have countries like Honduras and El Salvador that went through years of civil war, leaving a significant amount of impoverished women and children, massive government corruption, and rampant gang violence. There is a constant stream of refugees fleeing these countries, but volunteer/non-profit groups like Pueblo Sin Fronteras organize caravans which are supported by donations, giving the people in the caravans food and security. The refugees themselves don't have a political agenda, but these groups want international attention to the violence and poverty in the countries they're fleeing, and also want to push an open-borders agenda. So these people who are legitimately trying to find a better, safer life are being used for political gain by the people they have been forced to turn to for help.How does a migrant caravan start? Honest question.
How many times have you tried? I intend to get Mexican citizenship when I retire. It isn't that difficult.I can't just walk into Canada or Mexico and demand citizenship. I get turned away.
But when we do the same, "that's racist".
Oh yeah? Let's start our own caravan. My choice is to Canada where weed will be in abundance.How many times have you tried? I intend to get Mexican citizenship when I retire. It isn't that difficult.
The level of your ignorance is staggeringOh yeah? Let's start our own caravan. My choice is to Canada where weed will be in abundance.
Forget citizenship, I demand free healthcare and a job. Nor do I want to pay taxes. Also, if I commit a crime I want amnesty from being deported. I'll make sure to bring my pregnant wife so they can't break up my family.
If they don't meet these demands, they're racist!
what race are these Canadians who are denying you citizenship?Oh yeah? Let's start our own caravan. My choice is to Canada where weed will be in abundance.
Forget citizenship, I demand free healthcare and a job. Nor do I want to pay taxes. Also, if I commit a crime I want amnesty from being deported. I'll make sure to bring my pregnant wife so they can't break up my family.
If they don't meet these demands, they're racist!
They would come seeking asylum. A wall has no impact on this.This is why we need a wall.
Oh yeah, because we're their only option for asylum! Everyone in South America should just default to the United States.They would come seeking asylum. A wall has no impact on this.
Why? Immigrants have a net positive impact on our economy. Seems arbitrary and pointless.Use any means necessary to prevent access to this country.
Draw the line....
Enough is enough. They're trying to take advantage of us. No more.Use any means necessary to prevent access to this country.
Draw the line....
I'll never get the wall talk. I'm pretty conservative about our borders, and think the money that were to be put into a wall is much better served hiring more Border Patrol agents, their gear, drones and other reconnaissance equipment. That is what is effective, not 10000 year old technology.They would come seeking asylum. A wall has no impact on this.
Under the Trump administration, a Department of Health and Human Services study found that refugees brought in $63 billion more in government revenues over the past decade than they cost. Legal immigration and granting asylum to people seeking work is a net benefit for Americans.Enough is enough. They're trying to take advantage of us. No more.
America first.
But Trump's will be transparent and rope-proof!I'll never get the wall talk. I'm pretty conservative about our borders, and think the money that were to be put into a wall is much better served hiring more Border Patrol agents, their gear, drones and other reconnaissance equipment. That is what is effective, not 10000 year old technology.
This isn't about the money. This is about the disrespect these people show tearing down fences. This is about the disrespect these people show thinking they're entitled to illegally enter our country, because they say so.Under the Trump administration, a Department of Health and Human Services study found that refugees brought in $63 billion more in government revenues over the past decade than they cost. Legal immigration and granting asylum to people seeking work is a net benefit for Americans.
oh yeah, and 10 feet higher. I mean, I get why Trump fans buy this pantload, because it's a symbolic thing. That's all they process is symbolism, not actual tangible results for anything.But Trump's will be transparent and rope-proof!
2. On Friday, thousands of Central Americans reached a standoff with Mexican riot police at the Guatemala-Mexico border. A migrant caravanconsisting of over 3,000 people stormed the Guatemala-Mexico border fence and rushed onto a narrow bridge over the Suchiate River that runs along the border. Migrants met a wall of riot police with shields and pepper spray blocking the bridge’s exit into Mexico. Police and immigration agents have started to allow small groups of 10-30 migrants without passports through to Mexico where they can apply for refugee status. Some migrants slept on the bridge through the night, while others who were tired of waiting attempted to swim across the Suchiate River. In an address to the nation, Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto said that "Mexico does not permit and will not permit entry into its territory in an irregular fashion, much less in a violent fashion." Mexican officials have vowed to detain and deport those who attempt to cross the border illegally. On Thursday, President Donald Trump threatened to close the US-Mexico border if Mexico did not stop the migrant caravan. – CBS
The National Review (a right leaning source but one that I don’t believe tries to deceive) makes some interesting rebuttals to that study. You might find it interesting. LinkUnder the Trump administration, a Department of Health and Human Services study found that refugees brought in $63 billion more in government revenues over the past decade than they cost. Legal immigration and granting asylum to people seeking work is a net benefit for Americans.
They literally broke into Mexico Yesterday.Sorry. Are they currently in Mexico headed to the US or are they still in Guatemala trying to get into Mexico?
Hi Joe, with regard to your questions and comments, I’ll do my best to answer since I started the thread.Please be cool in here.
Can we start over? I know just a tiny bit of this.
Can I ask a few questions?
4000 people are headed to the US and want to enter, correct?
They are refugees from a country other than Mexico?
Does it matter they're from another country besides Mexico?
They are asking for asylum in the US?
Aside from the "in the open" part, what are the main differences between asking for asylum and crossing the border in secret?
Are our immigration laws different for a refugee?
Is something like this handled differently than normal for the border?
If it is illegal for them to enter or be taken in as refugees, is the main thing for people in favor of letting them in that they want to draw attention to our current laws and change them? Or are they saying they should be allowed in with our current laws?
Bottom line, these are humans. Clearly in need. Regardless of whether you think they should be allowed in or not, please be respectful.
It’s not dumb at all.Another dumb question.
If I'm a person in Mexico and I want to get into the US, are my two options?
1. Sneak in illegally
2. Be in the open and ask for asylum.
What are the pros and cons of each?
Or maybe a better way to ask - If you were Mexican and trying to get in, what would you do?
Assuming you don’t have money for a good attorney and don’t have an atypical story, asylum probably isn’t a good option.Another dumb question.
If I'm a person in Mexico and I want to get into the US, are my two options?
1. Sneak in illegally
2. Be in the open and ask for asylum.
What are the pros and cons of each?
Or maybe a better way to ask - If you were Mexican and trying to get in, what would you do?
Am I understanding you right in this is really more about changing immigration laws? We've had this discussion before and I think I understand where you are. Much more relaxed on who gets in but not open open boarders, right? I think that's a fair conversation to have.To me this really isn’t about the refugees anyhow. It’s about us. Who are we? What kind of country do we want to live in?
Unlike many progressives I know (though not all) I am a big believer in American exceptionalism. I think we’re the greatest nation that ever existed in world history, and I could give you all the reasons why. Our treatment of refugees and immigrants throughout our history is one of the biggest reasons. My grandparents escaped Russian progroms and the Holocaust because the United States was willing to save them and accept them. When I stood next to the Statue of Liberty two years ago, I couldn’t help bawling.
That’s one reason we’re the greatest country ever. Another reason is because we saved the world from tyranny. I have a great uncle who survived the Bataan Death March. My wife has cousins who fought in the Battle of the Bulge. The United States saved the world from Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and later on Soviet Russia. We did. Without us the world falls apart and freedom dies.
And now we have a President who, along with his supporters, wants to remove the two pillars that have made the USA special: our treatment of refugees and immigrants, and our international commitment to freedom. Some of us are determined not to let that happen.
Thanks. Is it fair to say there are lots (tons?) more people caught trying to sneak in than there are people asking for asylum?Assuming you don’t have money for a good attorney and don’t have an atypical story, asylum probably isn’t a good option.
Thankfully your type of thinking is not in power, otherwise we are a 3rd world country.The country that you seem to want to live in and the country that I want to live in are not the same place.
Yes, looking at some numbers it appears at least 10 times as many.Thanks. Is it fair to say there are lots (tons?) more people caught trying to sneak in than there are people asking for asylum?
There is no law on asylum or taking in refugees. Each time it happens it’s a subjective decision by the government.Am I understanding you right in this is really more about changing immigration laws? We've had this discussion before and I think I understand where you are. Much more relaxed on who gets in but not open open boarders, right? I think that's a fair conversation to have.
But on this particular situation, these people are not currently allowed in, right? Or at least they have to go through the normal asylum process, right?
I think where people take notice sometimes is if the discussion is not, "We should change the law" and instead becomes, "Let's ignore our current law and just do what we want". If I'm hearing things right, that's what has people excited.
Well, with corruption in the White House, a fixed system for appointing judges, and friendship with dictators elsewhere, I’d say we’re already well on our way.Thankfully your type of thinking is not in power, otherwise we are a 3rd world country.