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It's almost always a 9 or 10, especially with the homers. Just look at all the peeps in Denver and Chicago rating Fox as a great hire.
Interesting. It seems to me lots of homers are critical too though.
I shoulda read this post before responding - woulda saved me some typing.
I gave it a six. I figure the average hire is a 5.
I agree as long as Haslam lets him make the decisionpinequick said:
This was my thought. I could see Dorsey bailing if they stick their noses in too much, and Dorsey has a history of not holding jobs very long.
Thanks but that's not the question. We don't get to judge after the fact. My question is how much faith do you have in the Browns to get a coach? Meaning, when they hire the guy, what do you expect your reaction will be from 1 (terrible hire) to 10 (great hire)? What do you say?
Interesting, thanks.BassNBrew said:
If you're asking me if I have faith that they will hire THE GUY, I don't -- simply because it's a damned tough task. Dorsey has impressed me with the things he's accomplished, so that's a plus. Haslam, not so much. On the other hand, I expect that JH respects Dorsey, as well. That should help significantly. So, for me, I guess I have to cop out & decline to answer, since you're simply gauging emotions (terrible -- great) for that moment.
This isn't gauging emotions. This is how much faith one has in the Browns to get what they feel is a good coach. And yes, declining to answer is a cop out
6.5 to 7. Statistically in the ballpark with Rosen and Darold. Could be Winston or Mariotta OR could be Goff or Wentz. I'm giving him credit for his leadership attributes, but some are spring boarding off the attributes to call him an 8-10 or destined to be a franchise QB.
i realize many Browns fans, myself included, may be jumping the gun a bit.
Yeah, how he turns out is a different story. I'm trying to gauge here what people will think of him the day he's hired. You say 3? Or 9.5? Or somewhere in between?
You would hope so, but not exclusively. If you had swapped Bellichick & Jackson last year, the Patriots would STILL have won a ton more games than the Browns. Right?This isn't gauging emotions. This is how much faith one has in the Browns to get what they feel is a good coach. And yes, declining to answer is a cop out
And for sure, coaches likely get way too much blame and credit. With that said, I think a head coach is a significant factor in a team's success or failure.
Do you?
I'd bet they would have won more games with Hue & Brady than NE would have with Bellichick & Kizer.
yep, i agree. that’s why i said probably.
That's why I said "significant" and not "exclusive".
Can you agree that it's debatable? Remember Kizer & his league-leading int's? How about that horrific defensive backfield? Sammie Coates, Corey Coleman, Ricardo Louis...?
So, you think Bellichick would have taken that 0-16 team to the playoffs (take theirs & beat you)? No. I'm sure you don't.
Can you agree that ANY team in the entire history of ALL sports could have done better with better coaching? Of course.
Noone better than a 6 will step through that door unless they are reporting to Dorsey. I can't imagine any potential, proven HC would be willing to report directly to Haslam, rather than to someone who actually knows what he's doing, football-wise. That being said, I do think this will be Dorsey's show, and the next coach will be an 8. But I also think it may be someone who is not on anyone's radar, similar to when JH went to the Niners.
Hi Mac. I read the article you linked to the first day you did so (unless this is a new one). From my POV, the rhetoric started from "Hue sucks" and added emotional unverifiable speculation as "supporting" arguments. I didn't comment because I feel that people who make stands like DL did are not open to seeing the illogic they present. At any rate, we are now moving forward from the HJ era and I am hopeful that Haslam, et al, are able to find us a truly exception coach. Go Browns!
I don't buy the logic that no good coach will want to report directly to Haslam as opposed to having Dorsey in between. If Haslam was going to meddle, the additional layer wouldn't matter.
He told you exactly what the cancer would do then he did it 3 days later, which is consistent with behavior he has exuded since he got here. I get that you refuse to live in a world of probabilities and likelihoods, but understand that most of us do. This game's chess; it isn't checkers. If you just listen to the state media propaganda spewed from Mary Kay and take it as gospel without verifiable proof indicating otherwise know that most/all of us are not doing the same.
