IvanKaramazov
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I'm pretty sure Klobuchar would literally clobber Trump. Sure, Trump has a height and weight advantage, but pound-for-pound Klobuchar is the better fighter.
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Amy Klobuchar for President 2020 (2 Viewers)
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skol asylum
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Whoa. Good for her. Still think she should be the next Senate Majority Leader.Juxtatarot said:
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
In the Fox News poll released today, she's up to 5% nationally. She's certainly getting a bump.
Mystery Achiever
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4% and 2 % in the national polls released today.
It does make sense to me that, not being particularly flashy or charismatic, that she polls better in Iowa where there is more get-to-know you time.
I continue to believe Bloomberg entering is bad for her.
It does make sense to me that, not being particularly flashy or charismatic, that she polls better in Iowa where there is more get-to-know you time.
I continue to believe Bloomberg entering is bad for her.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I like her. Also like Bennet but that’s not going anywhere. And I’ll say something positive about almost all these Dems. But right now I like Klobuchar and we’ll see if steady wins the race.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Klobuchar was on fire last night. She's going to get a nice boost in the polls.
* Great strategy of emphasizing experience and track record of actually getting things done in Congress (delivering a body blow to "Mayor" Pete in the process)
* Excellent job establishing herself as best positioned in the general election through ability to unite both progressives on the left of her and independents/moderate GOP on her right
* Exuded confidence (vs. previous debates) and picked the right stage to finally break out of her shell (although bordering on braggadocious at times)
* Clearly able to go into the weeds on policy and her metaphor of blowing up a bridge when denouncing Med4All was spot on
* Great strategy of emphasizing experience and track record of actually getting things done in Congress (delivering a body blow to "Mayor" Pete in the process)
* Excellent job establishing herself as best positioned in the general election through ability to unite both progressives on the left of her and independents/moderate GOP on her right
* Exuded confidence (vs. previous debates) and picked the right stage to finally break out of her shell (although bordering on braggadocious at times)
* Clearly able to go into the weeds on policy and her metaphor of blowing up a bridge when denouncing Med4All was spot on
The General
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Seems like there is a noticable uptick in positive attention toward Klobuchar. How high will she jump in the polls over the next 3-4 weeks?
TripItUp
Footballguy
I'm a fan of Klobuchar and currently have her #1 overall of the current Dem candidates.
She is real.
She is in it for the right reasons.
She's not a socialist.
She has meaningful experience and the respect of her peers.
She is one of only two Dem candidates(Wallstreet Pete) that I'd consider voting for over Trump.
She is real.
She is in it for the right reasons.
She's not a socialist.
She has meaningful experience and the respect of her peers.
She is one of only two Dem candidates(Wallstreet Pete) that I'd consider voting for over Trump.
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Klobuchar gaining momentum in past 24 hours.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/two-new-iowa-polls-each-show-biden-with-a-6-point-lead/
- NYT endorsement
- Hit double digits (11%) in last two Iowa polls
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/two-new-iowa-polls-each-show-biden-with-a-6-point-lead/
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
I think it comes down to Biden and Klobuchar at the convention.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Zegras11
Footballguy
Only one that can beat Trump IMO. Person that beats Trump HAS to talk more about themselves and what they can do for all over bashing Trump. She's the only one I think can handle Trump in a debate and actually might surprise many there. Yang and Gabbard would beat Trump in debates also, if they were around.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I hope you're right...have to get rid of the "progressives" (euphemism IMHO) if the Dems have a chance. I don't care what the polls say.
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Phil Elliott
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Sam Quentin
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Yang and Gabbard are too sane and decent to even have a shot at the D nomination.Getzlaf15 said:
Mystery Achiever
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Why do people like about her? Asking because I’d truly like to understand.
The Z Machine
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joffer
Footballguy
intelligent. has a motherly quality. seems very down to earth. has been a fairly effective Senator. i think she's very electable in a general with the midwest appeal.
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Mystery Achiever
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My response from another thread:
Klobuchar is level-headed, not big on rhetoric or divisiveness, experienced and one of the most productive senators in terms of legislation and sponsored many more bills than any other member of Congress running. Also, as she kept reminding us, she's from an area of the country impt. to the election
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/amy_klobuchar/412242/report-card/2017
https://www.axios.com/klobuchar-most-productive-member-of-congress-running-for-president-fe0c536b-5189-46ba-b1cf-a6047b794a35.html
Klobuchar is level-headed, not big on rhetoric or divisiveness, experienced and one of the most productive senators in terms of legislation and sponsored many more bills than any other member of Congress running. Also, as she kept reminding us, she's from an area of the country impt. to the election
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/amy_klobuchar/412242/report-card/2017
https://www.axios.com/klobuchar-most-productive-member-of-congress-running-for-president-fe0c536b-5189-46ba-b1cf-a6047b794a35.html
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thanks!
How do you know she’s intelligent? What has she accomplished as a senator that has been effective?
I’m on the fence here coming into primary season. Just trying to learn more!
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thanks! I don’t really understand why those metrics are useful without knowing what type of bills she has sponsored, but appreciate the link!
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
@Alex P Keaton This is the 2018 version of the 1st link.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/amy_klobuchar/412242/report-card/2018
eta- I would argue that, while it is good to know she's getting stuff done that you support, productivity is a measure in itself suggesting leadership. drive, ability to gains support from others.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/amy_klobuchar/412242/report-card/2018
eta- I would argue that, while it is good to know she's getting stuff done that you support, productivity is a measure in itself suggesting leadership. drive, ability to gains support from others.
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joffer
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i've listened to her speak quite a bit. magna undergrad from Yale. University of Chicago Law. former prosecutor.
I took the liberty of bolding that last phrase because a) it can be applied to GOP members moreso than any other candidate and b) draws a stark contrast with the idealistic progressive candidates who will certainly run up against a Congressional brick wall when attempting to implement their "revolution."
From the Axiom article you quoted...[these strengths haven't] worked to her benefit in a primary that has incentivized maximum resistance and bold ideas that likely wouldn't become law in a divided government.
NY Times 20 question video interview...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-20-questions.html#
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-20-questions.html#
She's not flashy but sponsors boring bills that make a real difference, like this story about anti-entrapment pool drain covers after a girl here in MN died from a drain sucking out her intestines. Link
MAC_32
Footballguy
Pragmatic, reasonable, willing to compromise, strikes me as a no nonsense type that just gets #### done.
TripItUp
Footballguy
A competent, normal candidate that I wouldn't brand as a socialist. That's about all it takes for my serious consideration these days. Unfortunately that description eliminates just about every Dem candidate.
I do disagree with her on quite a bit though, starting with her party line impeachment support.
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timschochet
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In my opinion she is is the biggest lock to defeat Trump. If Joe Biden has, I think, around a 75% chance to beat Trump, Amy is at around 90%.
But she has to come in first or second in Iowa. Otherwise she’s probably finished.
But she has to come in first or second in Iowa. Otherwise she’s probably finished.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If the gap between her and Biden is small then I can see where this theory stems from. Part of the reason her numbers are suppressed right now is because most (all?) don't think she's a legit candidate. If those numbers come in tight then that could change. A distant third and I can't see how this goes anywhere.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
That sounds right. I think there would be a big difference according to whether that third place finish would be 15%+, yielding delegate(s).
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Yeah it sounds weird but I think her continued viability has less to do with her own numbers (although they'll need to go up eventually) and more to do with Biden's numbers. If Biden looks like he's running away with this, she'll drop out. But if there's reason to believe the Biden campaign is tanking, she'll stick around because she thinks she's best positioned to pick up his base of support.
The Z Machine
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Another newspaper endorsement, the New Hampshire Union Leader
“[President] Trump doesn’t want to face her. He is hoping for [Sen.] Bernie [Sanders (I-Vt.)], [former Vice President Joe] Biden, [former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete ] Buttigieg or [Sen. Elizabeth] Warren [(D-Mass)]. Each has weaknesses, whether of age, inexperience or a far-left agenda that thrills some liberals but is ripe for exploitation in a mainstream general election,” Union Leader Editor Joe McQuaid and Publisher Brendan McQuaid wrote.
“Sen. Klobuchar has none of those weaknesses and the incumbent needs to be presented with a challenger who is not easily dismissed.”
“[President] Trump doesn’t want to face her. He is hoping for [Sen.] Bernie [Sanders (I-Vt.)], [former Vice President Joe] Biden, [former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete ] Buttigieg or [Sen. Elizabeth] Warren [(D-Mass)]. Each has weaknesses, whether of age, inexperience or a far-left agenda that thrills some liberals but is ripe for exploitation in a mainstream general election,” Union Leader Editor Joe McQuaid and Publisher Brendan McQuaid wrote.
“Sen. Klobuchar has none of those weaknesses and the incumbent needs to be presented with a challenger who is not easily dismissed.”
rockaction
Footballguy
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Why?
rockaction
Footballguy
Depending on how much federal overreach the legislation contains and the way in which legislation these days contains general parameters that get sent to an executive agency for enforcement, I tend to favor less legislation rather than more. It doesn't have to be a particular party, I'm saying that the volume of legislation means that it contains seeds of that which I disagree with, namely, the means by which the legislation is crafted and enforced. I probably shouldn't have been so glib. It's a long story with me and that issue.
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joffer
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Okay, thanks I see it as a person who works to get things done and I'd react to individual bills with respect to being pro/con.
rockaction
Footballguy
Well, we differ wildly on environmental policy and deliverance of infrastructure improvements I guess.
I mean, if her top cause is climate change, what I'm sure she has sponsored would be bills that set standards to meet, forwarded on to executive agencies that are tasked with meeting those standards through implementation and enforcement.
And my problem lies in both the likely substantive green measures she will take along with the procedural issue of how the legislation is passed and enforced. It's not necessarily helping if the EPA's method of enforcement is draconian or punitive at times. I would imagine she'd shift away from coal and natural gas endeavors to windmills and the like. (Not a reactor. No, never one of those.) I can see reductions in carbon emissions coming, coming in confusing and difficult to enforce ways in cap and trade programs or outright reductions. And so on...
As far as infrastructure goes, I can imagine -- and it certainly would be in her party's platform -- her imploring Congress to start administering grants to the states, grants tied up in bureaucracy and unionism far as the eye can see.
I mean, is that help or tossing money at a problem?
I guess where people see activity, they see doing good, helping. I don't necessarily see that. I see nannies, fussyboots, and busybodies at work, tamping down freedoms in the name of pluralism. At least these days, anyway. No, I'd prefer something much different than taxes levied for federal monies spent by Congress and enforced by executive agencies.
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joffer
Footballguy
Is there a particular piece of legislation that she sponsored or supported that you would like to discuss?
i’m not positive, but I believe healthcare is her #1 issue.
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