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My guess is, the 2020 Presidential thread was created in 2012 by squis and Sinn had no idea it was there when he created his.
Sure...but with Bernie it has backbone with his own words.
Right....it's all they talk about. Mostly because they don't have any sort of serious policy positions in opposition to Dems. It's just "Dems are bad and going to take everything away from you".
I don't know what you're saying here or what perspective you are commenting from. I am commenting from the perspective of the GOP position. They know their followers are susceptible to fear and they will use the fear of "socialism" against every single one of the candidates. The veracity of their claims against the Dem candidates are irrelevant. Age is the best argument against Bernie, but against Trump its less so. Trump is only a few years younger though many Big Macs ahead.
Policy positions of the GOP in case some of you have been living on Mars.
But that argument is going to be effective because there is just a small bit of truth to it. The public doesn’t define socialism all that carefully. What they perceive is that AOC and those like her are against business. The Democratic candidate, whoever that is, has to be very careful here.
Incorrect.
Older, white males. Yes Not males 18-30. And you know what happens to older white males? They eventually become extinct. The GOP is in big trouble if they don't do something to expand their mindset. The Make America white again-thing isn't ever going to resonate with the young folks.
Will you please link me to the legislation/bills that are out there being worked on any of these in any real manner? TIA
Much of this legislation has already been passed.Will you please link me to the legislation/bills that are out there being worked on any of these in any real manner? TIA
1. "America First" unmitigated disaster
I did not say that it was always the best option. Obviously not the best option in 2016.
Let’s not change the subject... we have persons in here that actually believe the republican party doesn’t have policy.
So then that has nothing to do with what I said unless you are claiming the GOP platform is simply "defending what we already have"...which is what I was saying with the fear mongering approach of saying the Dems are going to take those things away. Nice platform!! Google is where I start, when it comes up empty I come to those in the know, like yourself, because I couldn't find it on google....so here we areMuch of this legislation has already been passed.
Google it
These are not policy positions, they are issues about which someone might have a policy position. Except #3, which just kinda sounds like "some people on the left suck, we oppose them and don't like them." Which frankly comes a lot closer to capturing the words and actions of the GOP over the last decade than any substantive policy position.
You’re being obtuse if you think the republican party hasn’t passed or supported legislation/policy. I gave you the categories, you can figure out the rest.So then that has nothing to do with what I said unless you are claiming the GOP platform is simply "defending what we already have"...which is what I was saying with the fear mongering approach of saying the Dems are going to take those things away. Nice platform!! Google is where I start, when it comes up empty I come to those in the know, like yourself, because I couldn't find it on google....so here we are
Your actually believe that policy and legislation doesn’t exist for Republicans?
He didn't say that. He said your list contained no policy positions. And he's correct.Your actually believe that policy and legislation doesn’t exist for Republicans?
What kind of crazy has been going on in this forum?
Lol I noticed how you had to throw the word conservative in there. Well duh. How about educated males, overall?
I think they have a few substantive policy positions: build a wall on the southern border as part of a larger effort to reduce unlawful immigration, wealthy people should pay less in taxes, environmental protection is bad, ... those things have been consistent GOP/conservative themes for a while. But that's about it. On most issues they've either made a complete 180 under Trump without losing many supporters or never bothered to take a position in the first place. There's a reason you couldn't articulate their positions and instead listed a bunch of issues.Your actually believe that policy and legislation doesn’t exist for Republicans?
What kind of crazy has been going on in this forum?
Trump loses educated liberal males.
Of course they have....in the past. What I have been saying and will continue to say is they have nothing they are actively working on now. I asked you for a list of bills they have in the works. They don't have any with any sort of momentum. They've had one meaningful bill that significantly affected public policy in the last two years. That was the tax bill. That's it. And they 8 years before that it was simply "stop Obummer from doing stuff". And while there is plenty of "being obtuse" going on, you're pointing at the wrong guy.
You are changing the subject but I agree with several of your statements.
There's no truth to it unless words have no meaning.
That seems like a weird position to take. Its not a "dissection game." Its looking at accurate data.
No....this has been my assertion the entire time...apologies if it wasn't clear earlier.
Well, when folks like yourself also do it and misrepresent them it doesn’t really help. But I’m already bored with the D 2020 primary - like I said before, wake me up when it’s over and I’ll vote for whoever it is over the orange doofus.
I beg to differ.JuniorNB said:
I think one thing the GOP underestimates is how many white males Trump has single-handedly turned in to liberals.
Also how many women are pissed off right now. Women didn't like Hillary, Im not sure any of the current crop of Dems have that issue with women.
