Henry Ford
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If she’ll take a shot, I say Klobuchar.
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2020: The Race For the White House - The Good Place (3 Viewers)
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joffer
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
I felt the theatrics over the top, the walkout all that. It came across (to me) as a skit attempting to set the stage for a Presidential run.
Mike Damone
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If he decides to run Deval Patrick will win in 2020 . He’s not as liberal as the more progressive democrats would like but he has the ability to capture the middle.
The General
Footballguy
This guy running and somehow winning the nom is like a doomsday scenario for me. Of course he’s no where near the disaster we have now, but oh man what a terrible pick he’d be.
The General
Footballguy
Oh man, I won’t vote for Avenatti. Won’t be a part of that.
Him winning would mean it’s officially over, shark had been jumped, band playing on the deck of the Titanic, etc.
The General
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Kasich keeps talking about challenging Trump. Pretty meh about the guy but please let this happen.
toshiba
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The primary could come down to Oprah versus Avenatti.
I hope I’m just kidding, but who knows?
I saw a blurb recently (didn’t read the article) arguing that that YouTube celebrities will start running for office ... and will start winning.
It’s plausible. Trump won in large part because he was a celebrity. Being a celebrity is pretty helpful in a popularity contest.
Gopher State
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She's a very popular senator, who had a very good showing at the Kavanaugh hearing by asking pertinent questions and showing restraint. Why don't you like her?
The General
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If it’s Avenatti or Oprah versus Trump I’ll stop caring, the whole thing is wrecked and the morons win.Maurile Tremblay said:
IC FBGCav
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Celebrity or corporate dem, I just not voting. It's that simple. HRC runs again I might vote Trump.
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Godsbrother
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What's wrong with a celebrity? What we need is an outsider instead of another corrupt life long politician! What could go wrong...
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Dedfin
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Dedfin
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Closest Bernie ally in 2016 if I recall correctly. She may not be a Bernie clone, but if she has the same fundamental viewpoint of the world as Bernie, I'd love to see her get the nomination. I don't think she'd get pushed around by Donnie Littlefingers in a debate either. What's he going to say? He can't mock her appearance, intellect or record. She's a tough mind and would shrug him off easily. At worst, she's a "socialist" which people are starting to laugh at the notion that it's such a sinful description, as that silly FoxNews meme on AOC showed. Hell, even the@ren hoeks of the world might vote for her.
IC FBGCav
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She served, he won't even go to a war zone. The bs knock on her is too young. She resigned from dnc leadership to support bernie. I am sure she has flaws but when you listen to her she is a legit person, no bs.
My opinion may change, but I currently feel like his time has passed. His age has to be a concern, and some Democrats may run more to the left of him, especially in Primary season when each tries to out-crazy the next (similar to when the GOP does it's own crazy)
The General
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It’s going to be Beto and Sherrod Brown. Calling it right now.
ericttspikes
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Henry Ford
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The knock on her isn't her age, it's her current views regarding the Middle East/North Africa/Islam and her past views regarding abortion and LGBTQ rights. Her age only comes into it because her career hasn't been long enough to distance herself from her early views (especially LGBTQ rights.)
Edit: Whoops, just realized this was two weeks old. My apologies.
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roadkill1292
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The Atlantic posted a curious "gee, this guy might be an attractive albeit unknown candidate" profile about John Delaney, who reps Maryland's Sixth congressional district. That's the mostly western Maryland district that the Dems gerrymandered away from crazy old Roscoe Bartlett (Bible in one pocket, Constitution in the other) a few years back. So Delaney is repping both the gun toters from our own private Idaho as well as a bunch of commies in the People's Republic of Montgomery County.
He's working the F out of Iowa voters right now but I don't see where he's anything special.
He's working the F out of Iowa voters right now but I don't see where he's anything special.
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Mister CIA
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IC FBGCav
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It all depends on interest. But I am sure a 2020 thread should run its course in 2018. So much dumb.
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IC FBGCav
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What were HRC views on LGBTQ rights before she ran? When did she flip? Same with Obama.
Since it matters to you.
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Henry Ford
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Before she ran which time?
And I believe Obama shifted in 2010 but I’m not certain off the top of my head.
Why is it necessary to know that to explain why some people are concerned about Gabbard, the daughter of a lifelong anti-gay-rights activist politician who initially followed directly in his footsteps in politics?
Mister CIA
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I'm clearly under the influence if I'm splitting hairs with Henry, but both you fellers anchored your assessment of individuals based upon some other person's character.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
“Who initially followed directly in his footsteps.”
I apologize if it sounds like the issue I’ve heard is him, it’s her specifically saying she agreed with him.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I'll buy that, but I think it's a point in favor for IC's argument. While on one-hand, it contains a tinge of whatabout, on the other, people's views change all the time.
Henry Ford
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Sure. But she’s confirmed her continuing views on homosexuality fairly recently, while saying that she doesn’t believe the government should outlaw it.
My only personal concern of those is her continuing issue with Islam. But many people don’t trust her based on how she still harbors anti-gay views while admirably saying the government shouldn’t regulate homosexuality.
Mister CIA
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So, I guess you can't be personally against something and say it shouldn't be regulated?
So, she doesn’t let her personal views guide her politics?
Damn she sucks.
Henry Ford
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Henry Ford
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I’m not against Tulsi Gabbard for President. I’m just telling you what the actual criticisms are.
IC FBGCav
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Thank you. The one I have to dive deeper into is not the one we discussed.
But overall. Come on man.
The_Man
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Some of the old-timers have been making the speaking rounds at my kid's college. In the past 6 weeks or so, he's since John Kerry, Elizabeth Warren and (last night) Joe Biden.
As a 21-year-old liberal, his reaction to both Kerry and Biden has verged on outright disgust. Kerry still boasts of the success of the Afghan War. And Biden apparently is calling for free community college for all - my son's takeaway was "He's just throwing Bernie's ideas out there, after not doing anything on these issues for either years in the White House." Thought Warren was ok. But it's interesting to me that Bernie is clearly the potential candidate who has captured his interest - at least to this point.
As a 21-year-old liberal, his reaction to both Kerry and Biden has verged on outright disgust. Kerry still boasts of the success of the Afghan War. And Biden apparently is calling for free community college for all - my son's takeaway was "He's just throwing Bernie's ideas out there, after not doing anything on these issues for either years in the White House." Thought Warren was ok. But it's interesting to me that Bernie is clearly the potential candidate who has captured his interest - at least to this point.
Philo Beddoe
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joffer
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roadkill1292
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Maybe she should stay front and center, though, kinda always playing like she thinks she's gonna be nominated, and draw Donald's fire. Then, at the last minute, boom! Dems sneak in a Beto or a Kamala and The Con of the Don is complete. He'll have spent months vilifying (which he's pretty good at) the wrong candidate. "No, I didn't mean 'lock her up!' I meant ' lock HER up! The new one!'joffer said:
Angry spiders
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Sigh.....not to be an old person basher but these old fossils wont beat trump....need new blood in there....booker/beto
I agree - in theory.
But, it has to be the right "new blood". And, even as a "Progressive", I recognize that whoever wins, has to be able to govern from the center. We really need to get away from the polar partisanship, and find common ground - and work towards solutions that both sides can appreciate.
If Trump is the GOP nominee, I am certain a Dem will win the general election - no matter who the nominee ends up being. But, if Trump is not the GOP nominee, then the choice of Dem will matter a lot.
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