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I don't think she has a chance (for the Beto reason -- can't win a statewide election at home) but if you're in a battleground state, I suggest that you would be making an error in judgment if you were to follow through with this.
Something about Abrams rubs me the wrong way - not exactly sure about her. I'd like to see her run for Senate in Georgia, but if she was a legit vp candidate I would have liked to have seen her run for president - to be a bit more publicly vetted.
Im not in a battleground state - so it's easier for me to say - but I would need a lot more convincing on her.
I can't hardly think of a viable Democratic VP who would make me not vote for the Dem candidate over Donald Trump.
I look at Biden as a 1-term president, so who he chooses as VP is more important to me than perhaps other candidates- because I assume the VP will be the leading presidential candidate in 2024.
I could easily see Warren turning down the offer. I would if I were her. I think Warren would be happier (and more effective) as a Senator than as Vice President. Harris too, possibly.
I think this is out there because of pundit and consultant hot takes on tv?
If Buttigieg does get a high-profile position, I think he’d be a favorite over VP Harris in 2024.
You make great points.
Or is it 1-0? (Admittedly, this reminds me a little of FF/betting discussions, the Bills are 3-0 in games where Allen starts after a loss on natural turf on the road in 3 pm games....). IIRC Nixon was the only VP who ran after sitting out a term or more, no? I could be wrong because I haven't checked and some losing presidential candidates are hard to know or recall. But I think what the American people are disinclined to is a "3rd term." People just get tired of the same old and also they likely start to feel that a party or strain has too much power for too long so they switch horses.
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John C. Calhoun and Richard M. Johnson both sought the Presidency in1844 after being out of the VP's office for 12 and 4 years, respectively. Johnson was quickly dismissed by the Democrats, while Calhoun withdrew from the race in January.
The '44 election and the replacement of Wallace on the ticket with Truman is fascinating stuff. The world would be a better place if party machinations hadn't gotten Wallace out of the way.
Lee Atwater woulda had a Dukakis-in-a-tank ad out on this in less than 5 minutes
would you hold your face to the screen for a second? me 94yo Da would like to punch you and, though he wont cross the country to do so, he'll gladly cross the house
Well, some people wouldn't have liked an earlier end to racial segregation. Perhaps the McCarthyism that sprung from Truman's loyalty program is still highly valued by a few. Who would have wanted detente forty years earlier? Some on this board may like having the debate around national health care in 2019, instead of having a President that would have enacted universal care in the 1940s. Perchance those who hold Truman in such high regard disagree with Wallace's statement that it was time to elevate women to "first-class citizenship."
I don’t know. I kinda think the Marshall Plan, the Truman Doctrine, and the Berlin Airlift make up for any of those flaws. Saving Western Europe from Stalinism is kind of a big deal. Of course Henry Wallace might not have acknowledged that since his presidential campaign was, unfortunately, riddled with Stalinists.
i dont even know where you're going here. me ol man is an Attila the Hun conservative, so Wallace aint his man.
20-80. Loonier than a bag o chipmunks, but he still prunes his apple trees - without a ladder.
That’s pretty harsh. Despite forming the American Independent Party late in life, George Wallace was NOT a conservative. He was a segregationalist and populist.
No he just didn't wanna go after quitting school at 15 to run the farm so his brothers could get their asses shot off, didnt graduate til he was 22, thereby receiving no scholarships (even tho even his little brother - the first person to get 100 on UVM's org chem final - said he was the smartest), then spent 5 yrs watching Captain Harry make Korea inevitable.
that right there would describe the difference between me Da & i about as well as anyone could.
Tragic war. Hard to see what Truman should have done though- letting the north overrun the south was deemed unthinkable at the time, and would have threatened Japan and Taiwan.
Glad to see Biden leading the pack, the lasr thing we need is a socialist candidate!
I still think Harris belongs pretty high in that second tier despite the current polling.
Looking again at those numbers, they’re not great for Biden. In other states he’s been at over 40%, which makes him immune to the progressive vote. But here the combined vote of Bernie and Warren beat him out. Bernie and Liz Warren basically draw from the same crowd, so if those votes unify between one or the other, that leads the pack.
This is actually a pretty poor showing by Biden, and reading the underlying data should be a real concern.
Agreed. Losing Iowa wouldn’t be a catastrophe for Biden. If progressives unite behind either Warren or Bernie, Biden will likely lose Iowa.
I don’t see it that way. Bernie has his own little party within a party that doesn’t seem to share a base with anyone else.
Interesting. My assumption was based on the fact that their positions are largely the same on most issues. But maybe you’re right.
Bernie has this cult following/"alternative" media support that no other D candidate is going to have. I agree with MT's point that a lot of his voters will not end up with the eventual nominee. I also think that he will not be dropping out of the race anytime soon.
From the perspective of beating Trump, I think it would be best if all the far-left candidates were in the same debate so that they cancel each other out. Let Bernie and Liz bicker with each other about which one of them wants to give away more of the taxpayers' dollars.
