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2020: The Race For the White House - The Good Place (1 Viewer)
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ren hoek
Footballguy
Huh. The text of it is above, and the URL he posted is here: AP: Biden won’t commit to backing Sanders if he’s the nominee
ren hoek
Footballguy
A couple Joe Biden staffers are challenging the depiction as reported by AP, and appear to be right:
https://twitter.com/AndrewBatesNC/status/1222304596380594177?s=20
https://twitter.com/Rob_Flaherty/status/1222306524225327105?s=20
Here is Stein's correction:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1222309473253036032?s=20
https://twitter.com/AndrewBatesNC/status/1222304596380594177?s=20
https://twitter.com/Rob_Flaherty/status/1222306524225327105?s=20
Here is Stein's correction:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1222309473253036032?s=20
ren hoek
Footballguy
Lisa Lerer @llerer
NEWS: Democratic Majority for Israel set to launch anti-Bernie ad in Iowa. The first Democratic group to go explicitly go after Bernie in either 2016 or 2020. A sign of Bernie's strength in Iowa -- and Democratic establishment fears.
Ryan Grim @ryangrim
Wait, so Democrats are calling for unity while @PaulBegala is on the board of an organization that is going on air to attack the Democratic front-runner, while Begala also appears on CNN to do political punditry. What is this?
The Democratic Majority for Israel, whose board member was just appointed to DNC by Tom Perez, will be running an attack ad on Sanders.
NEWS: Democratic Majority for Israel set to launch anti-Bernie ad in Iowa. The first Democratic group to go explicitly go after Bernie in either 2016 or 2020. A sign of Bernie's strength in Iowa -- and Democratic establishment fears.
Ryan Grim @ryangrim
Wait, so Democrats are calling for unity while @PaulBegala is on the board of an organization that is going on air to attack the Democratic front-runner, while Begala also appears on CNN to do political punditry. What is this?
The Democratic Majority for Israel, whose board member was just appointed to DNC by Tom Perez, will be running an attack ad on Sanders.
Zegras11
Footballguy
Wish there was an over/under bet on the Bernie attacks we will be seeing the rest of the way. These type of things are strengthening Bernie's support the same way when negative campaigns were done to Trump in 2016. This is going to get real ugly. Dems fighting dems.
badmojo1006
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Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Not sure if he drives a Honda but Lincoln Chafee running for POTUS as Libertarian.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Once the circus in Washington packs up this weekend and all the focus is on Iowa Monday the Dems fighting will be on full display. Judging by the lack of interest in this thread and the Warren, Biden and Bernie threads it appears some people are in for a shock.Wish there was an over/under bet on the Bernie attacks we will be seeing the rest of the way. These type of things are strengthening Bernie's support the same way when negative campaigns were done to Trump in 2016. This is going to get real ugly. Dems fighting dems.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Cool, Democratic Majority for Israel attacking the one Jew in the race.Wish there was an over/under bet on the Bernie attacks we will be seeing the rest of the way. These type of things are strengthening Bernie's support the same way when negative campaigns were done to Trump in 2016. This is going to get real ugly. Dems fighting dems.
Man, politics are messed up.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I will not be surprised if Bernie wins Iowa. I will not be surprised if Biden wins Iowa. I would be surprised if anyone else wins Iowa, and I will be very surprised if Bernie or Joe end up in 3rd place or lower
ren hoek
Footballguy
@ericisaac
One of the "regular voters" worried about Bernie's electability in the Pro-Israel PAC personal attack ad on Sanders was a paid staffer for Kamala Harris's campaign. She has a smile on her face while she concern trolls about his health.
Some of the others featured in this video weren't exactly just normal voters. One was a former senate staffer and current lawyer representing medical companies in litigation. One was a Cory Booker organizer. The Kamala staffer was definitely the more egregious example. //
It's 2016 2.0
ren hoek
Footballguy
CNBC @CNBC
Elizabeth Warren proposes criminal penalties for spreading (voting) disinformation online //
I get the spirit of what she's talking about, but I'm weary of handing feds the ability to police false information online. Almost as frightening as Yang's draconian internet censorship proposals
Elizabeth Warren proposes criminal penalties for spreading (voting) disinformation online //
I get the spirit of what she's talking about, but I'm weary of handing feds the ability to police false information online. Almost as frightening as Yang's draconian internet censorship proposals
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I definitely trust the Trump administration to fairly and objectively identify what counts as disinformation aimed at suppressing turnout. With a presidential election right around the corner, I don't think we can afford to wait until Warren actually takes office to implement this proposal. We need to give Trump this power now, and I'm sure Warren would agree.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Can you be specific about what you think Trump would do if Warren's law was enacted today?
roadkill1292
Footballguy
At another board the question was posed to likely Dem voters along the lines of, "which of the Democratic candidates winning the nomination would make you switch your vote to Donald Trump?" Which is kind of a question that approval voting was designed to answer.
rockaction
Footballguy
That won't chill speech at all. Has Warren really thought any of her proposals through?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
We know Trump would abuse libel/slander law to silence people who criticize him, because he threatens those sorts of lawsuits all the time. I don't think it's at all implausible that he would argue that "false" attacks on him amount to voter suppression targeting his supporters.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
So he would complain? Or you think somehow he would have DOJ go after political opponents using this law? How do you envision that playing out?
I believe the current DOJ under Bill Barr would use it for political purposes (if it were in charge of enforcement).
Yesterday (or maybe the day before) the DOJ inexplicably changed its sentencing recommendation for Mike Flynn, asking for leniency. My faith in the independence of the current DOJ is weak.
There are an awful lot of Trump-appointed judges out there, too...
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
In new Kaiser tracking poll, Public Option remains more popular than M4All.
https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/9394-Figure-3.png?resize=800,450
M4all support has, with minor fluctuations, been pretty stable for the last 18 months.
https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/9394-Figure-1.png?resize=800,450
https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/9394-Figure-3.png?resize=800,450
M4all support has, with minor fluctuations, been pretty stable for the last 18 months.
https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/9394-Figure-1.png?resize=800,450
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I believe they would want to act corruptly, I'm just not sure that this law would actually allow them to do much of anything. Maybe I'm being naive on this one.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Off topic a little but doesn't deserve its own thread: Jerry Falwell, Jr. and West Virginia Governor Jim Justice have invited Virginia counties disgruntled with the state's increasing liberal bent to leave the Commonwealth and join the Mountain State instead.
Larry Sabato of Crystal Ball had a joke.
Larry Sabato of Crystal Ball had a joke.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Bloomberg is an alien too. We're doomed.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I don't know how many votes Delaney would have peeled away from other moderates, but respect to him for ending his campaign ahead of the caucus to try to avoid it.
caustic
Footballguy
If anything, I think his decision could reduce the total number of votes for other candidates by an extremely insignificant amount. Had Delaney stayed in, his fervent supporters would have shown up to the caucus and moved to their second choices after Delaney didn't hit 15%. Now that he's officially out, all eight of the Delaney Die-Hards may just stay home instead.
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Maybe, but If the are diehards, they should embrace his fervor for helping to elect a moderate. I would look for a poll that asks who his supporters second choice is/are, but I don't know that it was even asked . Sample size, esp. limited to one state is probably too small.
ren hoek
Footballguy
DNC overhauls debate requirements, opening door for Bloomberg
Why now? Looks like the DNC desperately wants to make Bloomberg a factor in this. Another centrist to push now that Biden is collapsing.
Why now? Looks like the DNC desperately wants to make Bloomberg a factor in this. Another centrist to push now that Biden is collapsing.
I don't love it. Yet another sign that live in an oligarchy not a democracy.But on the other hand if he's going to burn millions blanketing the country with ads then the other candidates deserve an opportunity to grill him on the debate stage. Might ultimately be a good thing.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Bloomberg is polling reasonably well and the other candidates want him in the debates so they can challenge him. When the original criteria were set nobody envisioned a candidate refusing to take contributions.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
It's a good point that other candidates could want to challenge him. Also a legit rationale given that donors were proxies for votes, which they'll now start to have. Stage is going to get pretty small for Nevada and SC.
ETA- There has actually been a push from progressives to get him in:
"Some Democrats who believe that Bloomberg is avoiding scrutiny by not participating in televised debates with other candidates are pushing the party to allow the billionaire on stage. Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a group that’s endorsed Elizabeth Warren, has said he’s proposed that the party add an exception for candidates who exceed some of the other criteria, such as doing very well in a number of recognized polls."
ETA- There has actually been a push from progressives to get him in:
"Some Democrats who believe that Bloomberg is avoiding scrutiny by not participating in televised debates with other candidates are pushing the party to allow the billionaire on stage. Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a group that’s endorsed Elizabeth Warren, has said he’s proposed that the party add an exception for candidates who exceed some of the other criteria, such as doing very well in a number of recognized polls."
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ren hoek
Footballguy
Just seems like they're changing the rules to accomodate a candidate they like. In a larger sense it seems like the DNC is projecting its own political preferences. They would never do that for Gabbard or Yang, or heaven forbid, Mike Gravel, when he qualified for the first debate.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Man I hope this Tom Steyer/Sanders thing has a happy ending. You can tell he really adores him. It's endearing, like I actually think Steyer is a heartfelt and good person even though he's kind of basic politically. Sanders responds like Larry David would. Come on Sanders be nice to him!
Zegras11
Footballguy
#BuyTheDNC
But on the other hand if he's going to burn millions blanketing the country with ads then the other candidates deserve an opportunity to grill him on the debate stage. Might ultimately be a good thing.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Guessing Sanders will be getting hammered on Israel (among other things).
But on the other hand if he's going to burn millions blanketing the country with ads then the other candidates deserve an opportunity to grill him on the debate stage. Might ultimately be a good thing.
And Sanders can hammer him for stop and frisk, cheerleading the Iraq war, and a host of other things.
To be clear I don't think the DNC has good motives for doing this. But I think the end result might end up being positive.
ren hoek
Footballguy
It does seem like the relentless smear campaign is backfiring and reeks of desperation mode. People hate the political/media establishment now and there’s nothing they can do about it. I guess Bloomberg is the new centrist flavor of the month.
timschochet
Footballguy
Are there numbers that indicate this is the case? Morning Consult has Biden ahead in Iowa. And he remains a very strong first place in South Carolina.
You, among many others here, have been predicting Biden's collapse for about a half a year now. It hasn't happened. But I would point out that any debate appearance by Bloomberg actually helps Bernie Sanders because it threatens to take votes away from Biden. That should eliminate once and for all the silly DNC conspiracy stuff, but I know it won't...
ren hoek
Footballguy
Just look at him Tim. Guy can't talk for 2 seconds without alienating voters. He's seriously a really bad candidate. I think Sanders' turnout will be very strong, and I don't always trust the polls to reflect that.
I don't have any hard data though, I think everyone just sees the writing on the wall for Biden. The establishment has moved on.
dkp993
Footballguy
Biggest problem I see with him is he’s very clearly hit that old man wall. He’s a shadow of his former self (not that I thought he was ever anything impressive).
ren hoek
Footballguy
The Gravel Institute @GravelInstitute
Mike Gravel qualified for the Democratic debate with a grassroots surge that gave him 67,000 donors. The DNC shut him out.
Mike Bloomberg spent $180 million on a massive ad campaign, donated $250,000 to the DNC, and has exactly 1 donor. The DNC let him debate.
Mike Gravel qualified for the Democratic debate with a grassroots surge that gave him 67,000 donors. The DNC shut him out.
Mike Bloomberg spent $180 million on a massive ad campaign, donated $250,000 to the DNC, and has exactly 1 donor. The DNC let him debate.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Yeah, he looks rough and seems even worse. He was a very skillful politician back then, in terms of being a shrewd, conniving shyster. But he owned it at least.
Now he's rebranded himself as one of the good guys, coming out of the bullpen to stop Trump. Like no one is going to notice he's been a swamp being for 40/50 years. It's so bad.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I think a great series of attack ads would be just footage of Biden saying nonsense. And like a whole series of different ones so every commercial break there’s another one. And then “I’m Buttigieg and I approved this message.”
Zegras11
Footballguy
They hate a billionaire as much as anyone can be hated and then change the rules for a billionaire. And then they will blame losing on some technicality or some other BS.
Widbil83
Footballguy
It’s amazing. Finally some Bernie surrogates and Progressives are starting to raise hell over this.Getzlaf15 said:They hate a billionaire as much as anyone can be hated and then change the rules for a billionaire. And then they will blame losing on some technicality or some other BS.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Agreed. He's going to have the same problem Hillary had: the more people see you, the less they like you.ren hoek said:
ren hoek
Footballguy
@BenSpielberg
Number of states in which _________ has the most donors:
Joe Biden: 1 (his home state)
Elizabeth Warren: 1 (her home state)
Pete Buttigieg: 1 (his home state)
Amy Klobuchar: 1 (her home state)
Bernie Sanders: 46
Quite the map here.
Number of states in which _________ has the most donors:
Joe Biden: 1 (his home state)
Elizabeth Warren: 1 (her home state)
Pete Buttigieg: 1 (his home state)
Amy Klobuchar: 1 (her home state)
Bernie Sanders: 46
Quite the map here.
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