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I'm watching MASH though for the first time.  I've seen many epsidoes as reruns, but not the whole series linearly.  

One question I have is, being at the end of season 3, why did they kill Henry.instead if just letting him go home?  I just don't get what killing him added that he wasn't getting with going home and need someone to explain it to me.

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3 minutes ago, captain_amazing said:

I'm watching MASH though for the first time.  I've seen many epsidoes as reruns, but not the whole series linearly.  

One question I have is, being at the end of season 3, why did they kill Henry.instead if just letting him go home?  I just don't get what killing him added that he wasn't getting with going home and need someone to explain it to me.

Drama, reality of war? Who knows but it’s a great series, one of the all-timers.

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1 minute ago, captain_amazing said:

I'm watching MASH though for the first time.  I've seen many epsidoes as reruns, but not the whole series linearly.  

One question I have is, being at the end of season 3, why did they kill Henry.instead if just letting him go home?  I just don't get what killing him added that he wasn't getting with going home and need someone to explain it to me.

Long contract squabble with too-big-for-britches Stevenson which gave producers the chance to show the costs of war while beating him to the goodbye. Wayne Rogers's contract negotiation was even more protracted which is why they didn't write him out til Ep1 of S4 (without his participation).

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10 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

Long contract squabble with too-big-for-britches Stevenson which gave producers the chance to show the costs of war while beating him to the goodbye. Wayne Rogers's contract negotiation was even more protracted which is why they didn't write him out til Ep1 of S4 (without his participation).

The funny part was that Rogers was never under contract, which wasn't discovered until they started the negotiations to continue 

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15 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

Long contract squabble with too-big-for-britches Stevenson which gave producers the chance to show the costs of war while beating him to the goodbye. Wayne Rogers's contract negotiation was even more protracted which is why they didn't write him out til Ep1 of S4 (without his participation).

Why work with Larry Gelbart when you can do something like this instead?

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Has any other show successfully replaced as many key characters and not missed a beat? Blake - Potter, Trapper - BJ, Frank - Charles.

 

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4 minutes ago, The General said:

Has any other show successfully replaced as many key characters and not missed a beat? Blake - Potter, Trapper - BJ, Frank - Charles.

 

Law & Order ran 20 years with none of the original cast. Not a single person from season 1 lasted to season 12 or so. 

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5 minutes ago, The General said:

Has any other show successfully replaced as many key characters and not missed a beat? Blake - Potter, Trapper - BJ, Frank - Charles.

 

Arguably, a better show with the cast changes.

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10 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

Law & Order ran 20 years with none of the original cast. Not a single person from season 1 lasted to season 12 or so. 

That’s a pretty good one. Each one of those was closer to its own stand alone episode though where as MASH kind of continued a story. 

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11 minutes ago, saintfool said:

Arguably, a better show with the cast changes.

Yup. The show was great until the towards the end. IIRC whenever I see Klinger dressed normally and he had replaced Radar it had a chance to be not as good.

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3 minutes ago, The General said:

Yup. The show was great until the towards the end. IIRC whenever I see Klinger dressed normally and he had replaced Radar it had a chance to be not as good.

I was in Boy Scouts as a kid and MASH was on the same night as our troop meetings. I rarely saw the show in season but watched it in syndication later. For me, the show doesn't hold up well.

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38 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

Long contract squabble with too-big-for-britches Stevenson

He was fourth banana, and thought he should have had the most lines. 

Harry Morgan was a perfect fit. He had been worn down by all the rapid-fire dialogue he had to memorize on Dragnet, and wanted to be a fourth banana. He and Jack Webb had as many lines in a half hour show that some hour shows did. 

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5 minutes ago, saintfool said:

I was in Boy Scouts as a kid and MASH was on the same night as our troop meetings. I rarely saw the show in season but watched it in syndication later. For me, the show doesn't hold up well.

It’s dated but I was just watching some episodes recently and thought it was still pretty solid. Covered some racial stuff, gay issues, at a pretty early time. Lots of great characters. Probably in my top 5, definitely top 10.

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3 minutes ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

He was fourth banana, and thought he should have had the most lines. 

Harry Morgan was a perfect fit. He had been worn down by all the rapid-fire dialogue he had to memorize on Dragnet, and wanted to be a fourth banana. He and Jack Webb had as many lines in a half hour show that some hour shows did. 

i think i might still have the Joe Friday speech you PMed to me years ago in my mailbox

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28 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

Law & Order ran 20 years with none of the original cast. Not a single person from season 1 lasted to season 12 or so. 

Whatever happened to Michael Moriarty? He just disappeared after he left the show. 

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5 minutes ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

Whatever happened to Michael Moriarty? He just disappeared after he left the show. 

booze. bad. briefly homeless even, within a few yrs of losing L&O

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1 hour ago, captain_amazing said:

I'm watching MASH though for the first time.  I've seen many epsidoes as reruns, but not the whole series linearly.  

One question I have is, being at the end of season 3, why did they kill Henry.instead if just letting him go home?  I just don't get what killing him added that he wasn't getting with going home and need someone to explain it to me.

Have you seen the West Wing? And heard the story?

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57 minutes ago, saintfool said:

Arguably, a better show with the cast changes.

I liked Trapper John better than Honeycutt, but Potter and Charles were huge upgrades.

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26 minutes ago, Corporation said:

I liked Trapper John better than Honeycutt, but Potter and Charles were huge upgrades.

Potter an upgrade over Henry? I didn't know this was an opinion held by anybody. This is an interesting development.

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1 hour ago, The General said:

Has any other show successfully replaced as many key characters and not missed a beat? Blake - Potter, Trapper - BJ, Frank - Charles.

 

NYPD blue?

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I love MASH.

I think Frank may be better than Charles but they were all great characters.

Once Syndey was a regular and Pierce went crazy it wasn't the best

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1 hour ago, saintfool said:

 For me, the show doesn't hold up well.

Same here.  I know it occupies revered territory in television history, but I have a very difficult time sitting through an episode.  I choose to write this one off the same way I write off James Joyce.  It's just not for me.

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1 hour ago, saintfool said:

Arguably, a better show with the cast changes.

I always liked the episodes with Blake and Burns more than Potter and Winchester

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1 hour ago, johnnycakes said:

Maybe they didn't want Henry Blake making a sequel a la Trapper John.  

As a little kid I watched reruns of the show during the day, and then when I saw Trapper John MD for the first time I was completely shuked as to how a tall guy with curly hair had turned into a short bald-headed man. 

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25 minutes ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

As a little kid I watched reruns of the show during the day, and then when I saw Trapper John MD for the first time I was completely shuked as to how a tall guy with curly hair had turned into a short bald-headed man. 

for all the name baggage "Trapper John" name brought to the series, I can't recall how the MASH character informed the subsequent series. It just seemed like any other CBS doctor show of the time.

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1 hour ago, Apple Jack said:

Potter an upgrade over Henry? I didn't know this was an opinion held by anybody. This is an interesting development.

I wouldn't say he was an upgrade but I liked both characters. Same with Trapper and BJ. OTOH I liked Charles more than Frank. 

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2 hours ago, saintfool said:

I was in Boy Scouts as a kid and MASH was on the same night as our troop meetings. I rarely saw the show in season but watched it in syndication later. For me, the show doesn't hold up well.

 

The show holds up about a thousand times better than the film. Woof. 

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3 hours ago, saintfool said:

Arguably, a better show with the cast changes.

This is a ridiculous take.

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3 hours ago, captain_amazing said:

I'm watching MASH though for the first time.  I've seen many epsidoes as reruns, but not the whole series linearly.  

One question I have is, being at the end of season 3, why did they kill Henry.instead if just letting him go home?  I just don't get what killing him added that he wasn't getting with going home and need someone to explain it to me.

People die in war.  Although considered a comedy (with that ridiculous laugh track), the show deals with the horrors of war all the time.   An incredibly moving episode.

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1 hour ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

As a little kid I watched reruns of the show during the day, and then when I saw Trapper John MD for the first time I was completely shuked as to how a tall guy with curly hair had turned into a short bald-headed man. 

"Trapper John MD" is one of the worst TV shows of all time, and does not deserve to be mentioned in the same vicinity as M*A*S*H. It had absolutely nothing to do with the original Trapper John character. They should have called the show "Generic Medical Drama Featuring Untalented Actors".

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3 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

"Trapper John MD" is one of the worst TV shows of all time, and does not deserve to be mentioned in the same vicinity as M*A*S*H. It had absolutely nothing to do with the original Trapper John character. They should have called the show "Generic Medical Drama Featuring Untalented Actors".

You mean Pernell Roberts wasn't god's gift to acting?  He did leave Bonanza for some reason, you know.

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The Gelbart years were magic, perhaps the best combination of wordplay, scene development and personal statement in TV comedy history. The Reynolds/Alda years were more admirable than enjoyable, too many ambitiously bad lyrics and forced situations to wade thru between some genuinely great moments.

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As much as I loved Henry Blake, Best combo was BJ, Burns, and Potter.

i could watch MASH reruns until the sun consumes us all.

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9 hours ago, Walking Boot said:

 

The show holds up about a thousand times better than the film. Woof. 

I still like the movie.  It's a 50 year old movie set during the Korean War.  I'm not sure what part is supposed to hold up.  :shrug: 

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14 hours ago, captain_amazing said:

I'm watching MASH though for the first time.  I've seen many epsidoes as reruns, but not the whole series linearly.  

One question I have is, being at the end of season 3, why did they kill Henry.instead if just letting him go home?  I just don't get what killing him added that he wasn't getting with going home and need someone to explain it to me.

Spoilers, man!

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11 hours ago, joffer said:

As much as I loved Henry Blake, Best combo was BJ, Burns, and Potter.

 

I think I agree with this.  Henry and Trapper were awesome, but that combo you mentioned was gold.  Charles, while a good character, was a downgrade, but to be fair, replacing Frank Burns was literally an impossible task. 

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16 hours ago, saintfool said:

I was in Boy Scouts as a kid and MASH was on the same night as our troop meetings. I rarely saw the show in season but watched it in syndication later. For me, the show doesn't hold up well.

To me the snarky word play on MASH holds up really well. The best(and I use that loosely) lines on twitter try to emulate the quick, succinct humor used on the show. But the jokes on MASH flew so fast and furious.... at least in the first 2/3rds of the run before it started taking itself way too seriously imo.... I think the only other show that might have more jokes/second is 30 Rock.

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39 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

I think I agree with this.  Henry and Trapper were awesome, but that combo you mentioned was gold.  Charles, while a good character, was a downgrade, but to be fair, replacing Frank Burns was literally an impossible task. 

I never cared for Burns. He was a cardboard caricature whose sole purpose was to set up jokes for the other guys.

At least Winchester had some depth to him.

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14 hours ago, shuke said:

This is a ridiculous take.

This.  The original cast ruled.  And once Alan Alda started playing himself and not Hawkeye, it became unbearable.

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Winchester when he was extra snobby was very solid, but Frank was really great. TV Frank was much better than Movie Frank.

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The laugh track alone makes it a horrible  unwatchable show for me.

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