Stick a needle in your leg and then bench press more day you mean? That’s everyday!
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WR DK Metcalf, SEA (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Octopus
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jm192
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
He is not just sitting out with an injury, his tissue is breaking down to the point where it needs surgical intervention.
The question from Day 1 was his injury history. So here we go...
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Raptors409
Footballguy
Fine by me. If you needed this guy Week 1, you weren't winning anything this year anyway.
jm192
Footballguy
My long term outlook for him takes the bigger hit here.
Guy with injury concerns—neck injury at that. Needs knee surgery before getting through his first pre-season.
I’m moving him down a decent bit.
Raptors409
Footballguy
Last time I bumped down a guy for missing preseason, I missed out on Odell Beckham Jr and the free championship he gave everyone back in 2014. I think your logic is right here, I'm just going to be stubborn like an elephant on this one because I really like his talent.
Dr. Octopus
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They should call this site OverreactionGuys.com.
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Insoxicated
Yep.
The big problem with these workout/needle warriors is when they begin to break down, they turn to needles again to try to recover quickly... then the suspensions set in and it’s over.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
See, if he was getting chemical help I'd be worried but at least it would explain it. Let's pretend we are in bizarro world and he hasnt used the needle, I'm still extremely concerned that he is in that good of shape and his connective tissues still cant absorb the forces on the body.
Roiders at least have an excuse/explanation for their tissues being brittle... it's a side effect of roids.
Football Jones
Footballguy
One of the concerns I had about Metcalf is his extremely low body fat %. Just from observation over the years, guys with really low BF have a tendency to get injured more.
I don't believe Metcalf has the reported 1.6% BF because he would likely have serious metabolic problems if that were the case, but he could very well be in the 3-5 range. That's equivalent to competition-ready pro bodybuilders & not something that's meant to be sustained.
The question is does Metcalf keep his BF % down by choice or is his metabolism such that it's difficult to gain weight? And as we know from other players, purposefully gaining weight, which almost always ends up being mostly water & fat, is rarely a good thing.
I don't want to overblow this, but staying healthy could possibly be a real problem for Metcalf.
I don't believe Metcalf has the reported 1.6% BF because he would likely have serious metabolic problems if that were the case, but he could very well be in the 3-5 range. That's equivalent to competition-ready pro bodybuilders & not something that's meant to be sustained.
The question is does Metcalf keep his BF % down by choice or is his metabolism such that it's difficult to gain weight? And as we know from other players, purposefully gaining weight, which almost always ends up being mostly water & fat, is rarely a good thing.
I don't want to overblow this, but staying healthy could possibly be a real problem for Metcalf.
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Skeletore Eh
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az_prof
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I agree that overreacting this time of the year is not advisable. But, one thing to monitor with rookies is whether they can stay on the field or not. Rookie WRs who are constantly dinged up in my experience find themselves getting passed on the depth chart unless they are a truly elite player and DK Metcalf is a guy who never had one elite season in college. If you don't move him down your rankings you are ignoring reality. How far to move him is arguable. If I were drafting today I wouldn't take him in the first round rookie draft.
Bigboy10182000
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cloppbeast
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I'm not too worried about it. We won't even remember this whole knee thing when he's catching 50 yard TDs in week 7.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
This is a good thing?
Guy has trouble with his knee (judging by the atrophy below I'd say he has had some decent swelling in that knee inhibiting the quads). But that's speculation so let's just say its safe to assume hes had pain in his knee. Pain that leads to surgery.
Surgery finds nothing. So why the pain and/or swelling? I can offer a lot of reasons why, but that would be a lot to type and I'm sure some would doubt the respected and proven science behind it.
Nevertheless, I'd rather they find something on a surgery than not. It at least explains the symptoms as a structural problem.
Since the structure is fine it's likely mechanical and/or neurobiopsychosocial.
Geez... his knee looks like mine after I had a pretty extensive knee surgery and 6 weeks of non weight bearing with it locked straight. That's a lot of atrophy. A guy with that much upper body mass should not be skipping leg days. Those triangle shaped guys crack me up.
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jm192
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Dr. Octopus
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Ok then it makes perfect sense and I'm not surprisedIt was Pete Carroll that said it.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Too early to panic...but it stinks that he is starting out this way. The good news is he should be in line for starters minutes when he gets back and hopefully we can see what he can do after a pretty positive offseason. The training staff should have him lay-off upper body training for awhile and get under the squat rack a couple times a week.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I wouldnt give up just yet but I would be less attached and more willing trade him if I owned him.
Sucks that you gave up so much, especially when you probably could have had JJAW later I'm sure.
cloppbeast
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
Yeah Zay Jones is really crushing it. When he's behind Duke Williams and is relegated to special teams play, think it's safe to dismiss your cherry-picked stats from a 5 week stretch at end of season as an indicator that he's on his way to stardom. He'll be playing in the Arena league soon enough.
https://twitter.com/SigmundBloom/status/1166032707866038278
zoonation
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
I pulled the Andre Johnson reacting to the David Boston. There's a lot of exaggeration going on around here, and sometimes you just get sucked into it. To be fair, he has a higher likelihood of becoming either extreme than most receivers.
az_prof
Footballguy
At this point, David Boston comp would be favorable. Boston had three years with over 70 receptions and two years with more than 1000 yards. One of those seasons was an All-Pro season. The wheels fell off because of injury and he never recovered at a fairly young age.
Metcalf didn't have even one season in college as good as any of those three seasons Boston had.
The odds are against Metcalf having three years that good. The fact that Metcalf didn't put together even one stellar season in college and now is battling injuries as a rookie does not bode well.
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cloppbeast
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Just based on historical evidence, he is unlikely to have as much success as David Boston let alone T.O. Also unlikely Darwin Thompson is the next Maurice Jones-Drew. You could go into every day 2+ prospect's page and crap on them, you'd be right most of the time.
The injuries are overblown. The population of players who never deal with injuries during their careers consist of punters, kickers, and Brett Favre.
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
I just selected him at 1.12 in dynasty ppr rookie draft. Concerns are he is too lean and needs to get his body fat to 3 or 4 %. He'll do it. This is the NFL. Pro sports physiologic science and nutrition is capable. Seahawks kmow what they are doing.
Steelers safety Trey Edmunds is also worrisomely lean with 2% body fat. Mo freaking out there.
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/fat-chance-steelers-safety-edmunds-embracing-the-grind-073119
Steelers safety Trey Edmunds is also worrisomely lean with 2% body fat. Mo freaking out there.
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/fat-chance-steelers-safety-edmunds-embracing-the-grind-073119
Otis
Footballguy
Wow, he’s going way later than I would have imagined. I’ve got 1.4 and likely will take him there in our rookie draft.
biju
Footballguy
There's a lot of optimism and praise from the players here on DK. During the Raiders game Tyler Lockett was being interviewed and asked "whick WRs have surprised you the most?" and he started by saying "Well, DK of course..."rickyg said:
I would think that it seemed so obvious to him it almost wasn't worth mentioning was crazy. The other name that came out right after was John Ursua, who local commentators have called "similar" to Doug Baldwin.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
He went 1.4 in my recent rookie draft. I think 1.6 is about his average right now, so 1.12 was a steal.Otis said:
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
It was surprising but comes with a caveat. Here's how the 1st rd went. Frankly, I got lucky. Pick 7 essentially passed. Wonder if a player should have been assigned rather than he be skipped. This dynasty league has been in effect for 15 years now and interest is waning a bit for some of us, and obviously team #7.
2019 Rookie Draft
1) Shady Time - Josh Jacobs ,RB
2) You Kapernick the Futrue - Kyler Murray, QB
3) The Oracle - David Montgomery
4) Wine Her, Dine Her, 49er - Dwayne Haskins, QB
5) Aka Titans - Miles Sanders
6) Midnight Express - Darrell Henderson
7) Mad Dog - skipped after 5 days and no reply
Fin Nasty- K'Neal Harry 9) Drugs Don't Ruin Your Career, Drug Tests Do! - Hockenson
10) The Corporation - Darwin Thomspon
11) Warrior Nation - Devin Singletary
12) Iron City - DK Metcalf
nice strawman. nobody claimed hes "on his way to stardom". i was just responding to your quote that hes not rosterable in redraft or dynasty, which is pretty clearly wrong.
maybe he ends up being nothing. heck, probably he ends up being nothing. but hes a high draft pick entering his 3rd year in the league with a 2nd year rocket-armed QB who had some good production to close out last season. probably not a player who should just be dismissed at this point.
