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18 minutes ago, Stealthycat said:

what ???  blame Trump for everything 

 

Bill Clinton is the culprit isn't he ?

I gave a hypothetical about Trump being involved. Nothing about Clinton, he’s not the President anymore. 

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11 hours ago, Sheriff Bart said:

This reminds me of when that list of athletes doing steroids came out 5 years or so ago. Back then SOME were rooting for particular players to be on the list. I wasn't one of those people and won't be now either. 

It reminds me more of the fappening.

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Behind the scenes the night Trump partied at Mar-a-Lago with Jeffrey Epstein and NFL cheerleaders

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Donald Trump was coming off a bruising few years: His casino and real estate business had teetered on the edge of collapse, awash in debt. His marriage to Ivana Trump had disintegrated, and his relationship with model Marla Maples had fallen apart.

In November 1992, eager for a comeback, Trump threw a raucous party with NFL cheerleaders at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida and invited NBC to tape the event.

Footage of that party, unearthed and aired by NBC News on Wednesday, shows Trump grabbing dancing cheerleaders and socializing with financier Jeffrey Epstein, who was arrested last week and charged with sex trafficking.

...In the video from the 1992 party, the two men appear chummy, chuckling as Trump appears to point out women on the dance floor. At one point, Trump can be seen whispering in Epstein’s ear, causing the financier to double over in laughter.

The footage was taken for a feature on Trump that aired on the NBC talk show “A Closer Look” that month. On the segment, host Faith Daniels described Trump’s agreeing to come on the show after he kissed the news anchor on the lips in front of photographers at a charity dinner in New York while her husband’s back was turned.

Trump’s interactions with women at the Mar-a-Lago party — welcome or not — provide visual evidence of the kind of behavior he would later brag about on a 2005 “Access Hollywood” recording that surfaced at the end of the presidential campaign: that he could grab and kiss women because he was a celebrity.

In the footage of the November 1992 party, Trump can be seen putting his arm around the waist of one of the women, yanking her toward him and patting her on the backside as she laughs.

The White House declined to comment. An attorney for the Trump Organization did not respond to a request for comment. Martin Weinberg, a lawyer for Epstein, declined to comment.

The party was part of about 36 hours of footage taken of Trump for a half-hour piece about him that aired on “A Closer Look” in late November 1992, according to the then-NBC producer for the shoot, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect her privacy.

During the wide-ranging interview, Trump told Daniels that he didn’t think he would ever run for president, saying his relationship with women was a likely obstacle.

“I mean, I’m so controversial, I love beautiful women, I love going out with beautiful women, and I love women in general, and people would say, ‘Oh, that’s a horrible thing,’ ” Trump told Daniels, according to a transcript of the show that Daniels provided to The Washington Post.

People who attended the Mar-a-Lago party recalled that the cheerleaders were from the Miami Dolphins and the Buffalo Bills, which were playing that weekend in Miami. Trump has long been interested in the NFL and, in 2014, made a failed bid to buy the Bills.

The former NBC producer said the 1992 party was “odd” — strange enough that she recalled telling her husband about it.

“Who says, ‘This is going to be good for my rehabilitation,’ and then invites a bunch of NFL cheerleaders over?” she said. “It was classic Donald Trump.”

One former Bills cheerleader who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect her privacy recalled that Trump invited the cheerleaders to spend the night at Mar-a-Lago and that about 15 or 20 did so, sharing bedrooms all over the house.

“By the end of the night, Donald Trump was throwing people in the pool, but I think it was all in good fun,” said the former cheerleader, who said she steered clear of the host. “It looks crazier in the video than it was. We were young, we were in our 20s, we were having fun. We didn’t know he was going to be president of the United States.”

Other women pictured in the video could not be reached or declined to comment.

In 1991, Trump had finalized his divorce from his first wife, Ivana, amid a tumultuous, highly public dalliance with Maples, who appeared on the “Oprah Winfrey Show” in October 1992 to discuss their relationship.

Maples and Trump would later reconcile and were married in 1993, but Trump was single at the time of the party.

Tom McMillen, a former NBA player who served as a Democratic member of Congress from Maryland from 1987 to 1993 and attended the gathering, said the cheerleaders were present because the party was “NFL-themed,” but he added that it was a large and diverse crowd.

In the footage of the party, McMillen can be seen entering the gathering just behind Epstein.

McMillen recalled that Trump greeted all of the guests on a receiving line. “He was being a very social host, that’s all,” McMillen said. “I recall it being a very mixed crowd — lots of couples, lots of dates.”

In the television segment on NBC, Daniels and Trump discussed his agreeing to appear on her show after he publicly kissed Daniels at a New York charity event.

“And what a kiss,” Trump said.

“You kissed me on the lips in front of the paparazzi, and I said, ‘That’ll cost you. I’m booking you on the show,’ ” Daniels said to Trump.

“Uh-huh. I know. That’s great,” Trump responded, adding: “It was so open and nice.”

“So open and nice?” interjected Daniels. “Wait a minute.”

“Her husband is a handsome devil, I’ll tell you. He’s a good guy. But I think he had his back turned at the time,” Trump continued.

“Yes,” she said.

Daniels declined to comment on the encounter, which was first reported by NBC before the 2016 election.

During the “Closer Look” segment, Trump also disparaged the appearance of the singers Madonna (“Physically unattractive and I just don’t know how she sells”) and LaToya Jackson (“Grotesque, I have to tell you”) and praised Bill Clinton, who had been elected president a few weeks before the party (“He’s got energy”).

Daniels asked Trump what kind of women he did like.

“I think my choice might be you,” he responded. “Look at the legs on her. Boy, oh, boy. Could be you.”

Daniels also pushed Trump about the Mar-a-Lago party, asking him how he would explain to his son that he was partying with NFL cheerleaders.

“That my son could really understand,” said Trump, in an apparent reference to his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr. “He’s 14, and, uh, he could really understand that one.”

“No,” Trump continued, “that one’s alright.”

Trump told Daniels that he thought he would eventually get married again.

“I mean, this is good for a while, and, you know, everything’s fine for a while, but you get tired of it,” he said.

“Yeah, but you’re gonna have another party just next week and make sure, right?” Daniels responded.

“Keep going,” Trump said. “Keep it going.”

 

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13 hours ago, Biff84 said:

They both have connections to Epstein.

MANY have connections to Epstein - as I said, burn them all if they knew what he was doing and participate, aided, funded, whatever

that means ALL of them - political leaders former, present, Hollywood, singers, artists, scientists .... I don't care. BURN THEM ALL

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20 hours ago, SoBeDad said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1151511189656150016

I'm seeing a lot of references to the since-dropped lawsuit claiming @realDonaldTrump  raped a 13-year-old girl at Epstein's mansion. We at @motherjones investigated the charge & found many reasons to be skeptical. This story shows some of them:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

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I have to admit that a party with a bunch of NFL cheerleaders sounds pretty boss. In this particular instance the big difference between Trump and I would be making them keep their hands off of me. 

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Excellent 

JUST IN: Jeffrey Epstein denied bail, will remain jailed pending trial on sex trafficking charges

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52 minutes ago, Stealthycat said:

MANY have connections to Epstein - as I said, burn them all if they knew what he was doing and participate, aided, funded, whatever

that means ALL of them - political leaders former, present, Hollywood, singers, artists, scientists .... I don't care. BURN THEM ALL

 

I think putting them in prison is sufficient.

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2 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

Excellent 

JUST IN: Jeffrey Epstein denied bail, will remain jailed pending trial on sex trafficking charges

 

I reckon Mr. Epstein will never be a free man again.

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2 minutes ago, whoknew said:

 

I reckon Mr. Epstein will never be a free man again.

We can only hope, but I have doubts and rich privilege will get him off some how, even if it's just bail that allows him to escape the country

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16 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

Excellent 

JUST IN: Jeffrey Epstein denied bail, will remain jailed pending trial on sex trafficking charges

"The bail decision means Mr. Epstein is likely to spend more time in jail awaiting trial in New York than he did in Florida after pleading guilty in 2008 to two state counts following an investigation into similar allegations of sex abuse against minors."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-denies-jeffrey-epsteins-bail-request-11563464054?mod=mhp

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24 minutes ago, whoknew said:

 

I think putting them in prison is sufficient.

I would like to hear more about the fire idea. 

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26 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

Excellent 

JUST IN: Jeffrey Epstein denied bail, will remain jailed pending trial on sex trafficking charges

DEE-NIED.

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28 minutes ago, squistion said:

"The bail decision means Mr. Epstein is likely to spend more time in jail awaiting trial in New York than he did in Florida after pleading guilty in 2008 to two state counts following an investigation into similar allegations of sex abuse against minors."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-denies-jeffrey-epsteins-bail-request-11563464054?mod=mhp

Please tell me this loser is getting sent to Rikers.

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1 hour ago, whoknew said:

 

I reckon Mr. Epstein will never be a free man again.

at least until his pardon. :scared:

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

Yikes, was that one of his actual jokes? The video is giving me issues at the moment.

Yep

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2 minutes ago, msommer said:

Yep

Edgy. Doesnt bother me personally, but a bit suprised they would air it on network tv.

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12 hours ago, Bucky86 said:

Excellent 

JUST IN: Jeffrey Epstein denied bail, will remain jailed pending trial on sex trafficking charges

To be honest I'm surprised after the first lenient sentence he didn't sell everything and move to Switzerland.

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12 hours ago, yak651 said:

We can only hope, but I have doubts and rich privilege will get him off some how, even if it's just bail that allows him to escape the country

He's beyond radioactive.  I doubt he ever sees the light of day again.  Given his notoriety wherever he goes he'll probably be in solitary, as well.

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11 hours ago, Quint said:

at least until his pardon. :scared:

Just for reference sake: I don’t think Trump can pardon him right? Not a federal crime. 

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Just for reference sake: I don’t think Trump can pardon him right? Not a federal crime. 

Not an attorney but I believe this is correct.  I also don't see any way Trump would pardon this guy.  Manafort, another story.

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54 minutes ago, Sand said:

To be honest I'm surprised after the first lenient sentence he didn't sell everything and move to Switzerland.

That awful smirk he has in every photograph indicates someone who believes the rules will never apply to him. 

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58 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Just for reference sake: I don’t think Trump can pardon him right? Not a federal crime. 

Yeah, that’s probably correct. I was just being a smarta$$

 

**or,  MT knows more than me**

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I am certainly not sympathetic to this perv but he has got to be kicking himself.  Here is a guy with mansions, private islands, etc.  If he could have "settled" for beautiful women aged 18 and up he would be still be living in the lap of luxury.  Now he will likely spend the rest of his days in a cell.   What an idiot.

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He probably figured he could do what he wanted because he has been protected by powerful people for so long.

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6 hours ago, snitwitch said:

DOJ can also just shut this thing down, correct? 

AG William Barr has been more active than almost any AG in recent history. He appears to have interjected himself in the Eric Garner case, in the Russia investigation, and maybe in the SDNY Trump Org case, and now he has unrecused himself in the Epstein case. But even he I think can't realistically intercede here without leaving some sort of serious mark. The point I'm making is that Barr is perfectly willing and capable of doing this but it's not at all clear why he would. Still, he has made a point of not recusing. It's possible that he just views his role as that of Trump's personal attorney and Trump would never accept or understand recusal in any circumstance, not that there's a nefarious purpose in this particular situation.

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1 hour ago, Godsbrother said:

I am certainly not sympathetic to this perv but he has got to be kicking himself.  Here is a guy with mansions, private islands, etc.  If he could have "settled" for beautiful women aged 18 and up he would be still be living in the lap of luxury.  Now he will likely spend the rest of his days in a cell.   What an idiot.

Unless the women under 18 were the reason behind him amassing his fortune (Still an idiot and a creep)

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1 hour ago, Godsbrother said:

I am certainly not sympathetic to this perv but he has got to be kicking himself.  Here is a guy with mansions, private islands, etc.  If he could have "settled" for beautiful women aged 18 and up he would be still be living in the lap of luxury.  Now he will likely spend the rest of his days in a cell.   What an idiot.

I suspect he was up to more than being a pedocreep, it appears to be part of his business model.

And he wasn't just "sleeping" (alternatives too horrible) with these girls, he was enslaving them and forcing them into sex work.

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8 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

That awful smirk he has in every photograph indicates someone who believes the rules will never apply to him. 

So far he has been betting correctly. 

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

AG William Barr has been more active than almost any AG in recent history. He appears to have interjected himself in the Eric Garner case, in the Russia investigation, and maybe in the SDNY Trump Org case, and now he has unrecused himself in the Epstein case. But even he I think can't realistically intercede here without leaving some sort of serious mark. The point I'm making is that Barr is perfectly willing and capable of doing this but it's not at all clear why he would. Still, he has made a point of not recusing. It's possible that he just views his role as that of Trump's personal attorney and Trump would never accept or understand recusal in any circumstance, not that there's a nefarious purpose in this particular situation.

I didn't know about his interest in the Eric Garner case.  Do you know or have a link to what that is all about?

I find it interesting because that incident had been mentioned before when you go down some Epstein rabbit holes. 

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Just now, Max Power said:

I didn't know about his interest in the Eric Garner case.  Do you know or have a link to what that is all about?

I find it interesting because that incident had been mentioned before when you go down some Epstein rabbit holes. 

The DOJ civil rights division recommended indictment in the Garner case, Barr intervened and had charges declined.

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

I didn't know about his interest in the Eric Garner case.  Do you know or have a link to what that is all about?

I find it interesting because that incident had been mentioned before when you go down some Epstein rabbit holes. 

He agreed with his Justice Department findings and decided not to bring federal civil rights charges against the cop.  I’m not sure why that’s unprecedented.  Seems like that’s kind of his job.

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5 minutes ago, jonessed said:

He agreed with his Justice Department findings and decided not to bring federal civil rights charges against the cop.  I’m not sure why that’s unprecedented.  Seems like that’s kind of his job.

The DOJ Civil Rights division recommended indictment.

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The DOJ Civil Rights division recommended indictment.

And the Justice Department in NY didn’t.  His job is to decide which advice to take.  You may disagree with his decision, but making a decision is certainly not an unprecedented interference.

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9 minutes ago, jonessed said:

And the Justice Department in NY didn’t.  His job is to decide which advice to take.  You may disagree with his decision, but making a decision is certainly not an unprecedented interference.

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Barr made the decision after viewing the video showing Garner's takedown several times and quizzing both groups of attorneys.

The question was could DOJ suppress the case. I'm just pointing out that Barr intervened, which he did. And he could intervene here just as well, right?

I am not claiming he will, but he has unrecused/derecused himself.

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16 hours ago, Max Power said:

Edgy. Doesnt bother me personally, but a bit suprised they would air it on network tv.

Colbert’s joke is less offensive than the original Trump statement

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4 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

I am certainly not sympathetic to this perv but he has got to be kicking himself.  Here is a guy with mansions, private islands, etc.  If he could have "settled" for beautiful women aged 18 and up he would be still be living in the lap of luxury.  Now he will likely spend the rest of his days in a cell.   What an idiot.

Legit take. I very much wonder based on the fact this guy was most likely a money launderer for the extremely wealthy, if his ability to recruit and service customers wasn’t influenced by blackmail. Either you were coaxed, lured, or stumbled willingly into sex with a minor and then became a client, or vice versa, I think the underaged part of this was a business model, and one that paid off handsomely and protected Epstein and his co-conspirators.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Ham said:

Legit take. I very much wonder based on the fact this guy was most likely a money launderer for the extremely wealthy, if his ability to recruit and service customers wasn’t influenced by blackmail. Either you were coaxed, lured, or stumbled willingly into sex with a minor and then became a client, or vice versa, I think the underaged part of this was a business model, and one that paid off handsomely and protected Epstein and his co-conspirators.

Lex Luther was a brilliant criminal that thought he would never be caught. 

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7 hours ago, msommer said:

Unless the women under 18 were the reason behind him amassing his fortune (Still an idiot and a creep)

I expect we'll find out what sort of commodities fund he was selling.

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