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I watch some stupid tv shows but you guys must be into some real doozies to assume a woman in jeans masquerading as a lawyer was having sex in the attorney/client room at a federal prison. 

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

I watch some stupid tv shows but you guys must be into some real doozies to assume a woman in jeans masquerading as a lawyer was having sex in the attorney/client room at a federal prison. 

 Porn? NTTAWWT

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8 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

“Lowest risk”? What does that mean?

It was a foolish stupid post so I’ll stop there. But I meant risk of a story like the one just appearing in Forbes.

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8 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

No, sorry, we can’t send the pretty young woman on the easy assignment. She needs to be locked in the basement doing doc review so people will take her seriously. 

Exactly.

4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I watch some stupid tv shows but you guys must be into some real doozies to assume a woman in jeans masquerading as a lawyer was having sex in the attorney/client room at a federal prison. 

We haven't caught up on terrible reality TV in a while.  I missed the entirety of "Love Island" but think I might need to watch it On Demand.

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23 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Why not? Also, she need not have been a first year, that’s a pretty broad assumption. 

The assumption appears in the article, which I take it was by a lawyer considering what he observed, per Forbes, in the attorney meeting area. I think I took the import to be that Epstein maybe, just maybe could have availed himself of a lapse in protocol as to who actually visited him. Given the record at SDNY MCC and prior events at his So Fla jail it was foolish of me to think that, I'm sure.

Henry, I regret my speculative post based on that subtext. Truly fault is mine. It's Friday, I'm going to go to Oak Street for some drinks and a nice dinner and reflect upon my ill-considered words in response to a report full of insinuations. Hopefully when I return it will be emerged as a reformed man.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It was a foolish stupid post so I’ll stop there. But I meant risk of a story like the one just appearing in Forbes.

I certainly don't intend to pile on, and know your intentions are good.  

When I was working at the firm previously mentioned in this thread and linked to Barr, etc., there was a senior partner who refused to work with female associates because, hey, what if they had to work late together, and what would his wife think of that?  People really wanted to work with him because it was interesting work mostly with a particular big-name client, and getting time with this executive committee partner was highly career-enhancing.  But, of course, he made his work off limits to an entire segment of the associate pool.  (This didn't affect me much personally because I targeted working solely with non-#######s.)

At my first in-house job, I needed to hire outside counsel for a particularly sensitive matter involving our Board of Directors, and my boss (the GC) insisted we had to hire "gray hairs" (his term, which was inclusive only of old white guys) just for appearance, to have the Board take them seriously.

My law school roommate was/is stunningly gorgeous (no pics), and for the first 10-12 years of her career, practically every time she showed up at a deposition, she had to explain she was not the stenographer.

I could go on and on - probably already have! - but these are some of the experiences that make stories like this, or reactions to it, irksome.

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13 minutes ago, krista4 said:

Exactly.

We haven't caught up on terrible reality TV in a while.  I missed the entirety of "Love Island" but think I might need to watch it On Demand.

It isn’t worth it. Sadly. I watched the first two weeks and have no interest.  

Also, the reboot of Temptation Island suuuuucked. 

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The assumption appears in the article, which I take it was by a lawyer considering what he observed, per Forbes, in the attorney meeting area. I think I took the import to be that Epstein maybe, just maybe could have availed himself of a lapse in protocol as to who visited him. Given the record at SDNY MCC it was foolish, I'm sure.

Henry, I regret my speculative post based on that subtext. Truly fault is mine. It's Friday, I'm going to go to Oak Street for some drinks and a nice dinner and reflect upon my ill-considered words in response to a report full of insinuations. Hopefully when I return it will be emerged as a reformed man.

I’m not angry with you, I’m exasperated at the view of the legal system the public has, which isn’t that surprising given our PR as a vocation.

Even that (unbelievably sexist and annoying) Lawyer who was quoted assumed she was a lawyer.  Which he would because he knows better. 

I have to do more to bring my phone into a courthouse than people are assuming this woman had to do to visit her client for hours at a time and the idea she was having sex with him in a room while other attorneys sat there and did nothing to get the room for them and their clients is ridiculous. 

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51 minutes ago, krista4 said:

I certainly don't intend to pile on, and know your intentions are good.  

When I was working at the firm previously mentioned in this thread and linked to Barr, etc., there was a senior partner who refused to work with female associates because, hey, what if they had to work late together, and what would his wife think of that?  People really wanted to work with him because it was interesting work mostly with a particular big-name client, and getting time with this executive committee partner was highly career-enhancing.  But, of course, he made his work off limits to an entire segment of the associate pool.  (This didn't affect me much personally because I targeted working solely with non-#######s.)

At my first in-house job, I needed to hire outside counsel for a particularly sensitive matter involving our Board of Directors, and my boss (the GC) insisted we had to hire "gray hairs" (his term, which was inclusive only of old white guys) just for appearance, to have the Board take them seriously.

My law school roommate was/is stunningly gorgeous (no pics), and for the first 10-12 years of her career, practically every time she showed up at a deposition, she had to explain she was not the stenographer.

I could go on and on - probably already have! - but these are some of the experiences that make stories like this, or reactions to it, irksome.

The guy who runs the law firm I just broke out from last year still refers to “woman lawyers.”

You know, like regular lawyers.  But women. 

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2 hours ago, krista4 said:

When I did my pro bono death penalty work, no one had to tell me to “dress down” to visit the prison.  It was pretty obvious as a young female.  She also didn’t sound all that dressed down from usual office attire.  The days of dressing in a suit for work in a firm are long past. 

The whole article is infuriating.  I’d have hoped the days where young attractive women have to explain, “yes, I really am an attorney” were also long past, but I see they persist.  The notion that Epstein should have had old male lawyers just for appearance sake is likewise infuriating.

How I would dress if I were an attractive woman visiting prison

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1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

The guy who runs the law firm I just broke out from last year still refers to “woman lawyers.”

You know, like regular lawyers.  But women. 

Mr krista likes to introduce me as a “lady lawyer” just to irritate me.  :lmao: 

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15 minutes ago, krista4 said:

Mr krista likes to introduce me as a “lady lawyer” just to irritate me.  :lmao: 

Oldie but a goodie. 

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Jeffrey Epstein’s death ruled suicide by hanging  — Medical examiner’s finding comes a week after demise of financier accused of sex trafficking

>>Jeffrey Epstein’s cause of death was suicide by hanging, according to the New York chief medical examiner.

The disgraced money manager was found dead in his cell last Saturday while awaiting trial on charges of sex trafficking minors.

Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner, said in a statement on Friday that the determination of suicide had been made after a “careful review of all investigative information, including complete autopsy findings”.<<

>>Epstein’s lawyers said they were “not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner” and would conduct their own investigation into his death.

“First, no one should die in jail. And no one, not Mr Epstein who was presumed innocent and had violated no prison disciplinary rule, and not anyone should be imprisoned under the harsh, even medieval conditions at the MCC where Mr Epstein spent his final hours,” said Martin Weinberg, Reid Weingarten and Michael Miller in a statement.

They added they would sue if necessary “to view the pivotal videos — if they exist as they should — of the area proximate to Mr Epstein’s cell during the time period leading to his death”.<<

>>Judge Richard Berman, who was overseeing Epstein’s case, wrote to the MCC’s warden on Monday asking about what had occurred in the July incident.

“To my knowledge, it has never been definitively explained what the [Bureau of Prisons] concluded about that incident,” he said in a letter.

The warden, Lamine N’Diaye, who has since been temporarily reassigned, said in response that she could not reveal information about the incident as it was part of the FBI and justice department inspector-general’s investigation into Epstein’s death.<<

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2 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Maybe someone will do a records request,

Perhaps that someone is you.

Let us know what you find out

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5 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

I'm sure MCC has records & video of Epstein meeting with his stenographer for hours.  Maybe someone will do a records request, or now that they rules it a suicide it probably just gets swept under the rug.

Took a month for the guy to get the request for the TSA note. Can only imagine how long this would take. 

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5 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

I'm sure MCC has records & video of Epstein meeting with his stenographer for hours.  Maybe someone will do a records request, or now that they rules it a suicide it probably just gets swept under the rug.

Lawyer, not stenographer.  And why would they have video of a confidential, privileged meeting?

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43 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Lawyer, not stenographer.  And why would they have video of a confidential, privileged meeting?

I think Phil is being very, very cheeky here. I wryly sort of smiled. 

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