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Jeffrey Epstein: there is definitely nothing to see here folks, I am feeling very sleepy, I think I'll take a nice nap.

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16 minutes ago, msommer said:

Well, Both Eric and Don Jr are self made creepy guys, IMHO. Is it nature of nurture? Discuss

What makes then creepy?

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On 11/29/2018 at 7:49 AM, Rove! said:

Just posting this here from the confirmation hearings 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9aj9DoAnEM

I didn't realize this had already been posted. This was Tim Kaine questioning Acosta at confirmation (Kaine was the only one to raise this issue). Basically in the first 2:30 Kaine asked Acosta why the NPA deal would not be made part of the settlement record. Acosta first responds by saying he can't answer because it's an issue in litigation - which makes no sense, that's a reason for not discussing criminal investigations but not civil (at least at a confirmation), and then Acosta says that was the sort of thing that comes up "in any negotiation" which is untrue. - Acosta has a very calm way of sounding calm and has a 'this is normal' tone but what he is saying is absolute bs. 

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

What makes then creepy?

Their "American Psycho" looks and sheen.

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57 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

That doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. I wonder what the reasoning would be that he needs to recuse for prior stuff but not the new stuff. 

@randall146 @Ditkaless Wonders @Henry Ford You guys are knowledgeable lawyers if I’m not mistaken (well, I think you’re lawyers anyway;) 

It doesn’t make sense to me either. 

1) Seems to me it should be a recusal on anything Epstein related.

2) Particularly in this case when you can’t separate the prior non-prosecution agreement from the current prosecution, when the non-pros agreement is going to be litigated in the current case. 

3) I don’t think it’s normal for the AG to be involved in a ground level case to begin with. US Attorney’s Offices have a rigid chain of command. I’d guess there are 7-10 levels of management between trial prosecutor and the actual Attorney General of the US (at least 4-6 in SDNY, at least 3-4 at the national level). So it’s odd to me that he’d be involved at all.

4) The main reason he’d be involved is because Trump is linked to it (so far only tangentially). But that’s conflicty in itself. 

5) if nothing else, recusing on one issue but not another gives the appearance of a conflict, which, if you believe that justice system needs to appear to be fair, should be enough to justify recusal on the whole thing. But obviously this administration doesn’t mind the appearance of conflict. Trump and Barr actually seem to revel in it. 

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This thread got really weird in the last 24 hours with the whole “Barr’s dad, who in a past life was a Jewish spy for Hitler, collaborated with Epstein on a sci-fi porn novel.” 

I like weird. 

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Just now, timschochet said:

This thread got really weird in the last 24 hours with the whole “Barr’s dad, who in a past life was a Jewish spy for Hitler, collaborated with Epstein on a sci-fi porn novel.” 

I like weird. 

Yes, yes it did.

Weird is good until it involves Xanadu-esque productions with naked underage girls. 

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5 minutes ago, bananafish said:

Here's a hint: the reasoning given for anything this administration does doesn't contain any actual, you know, reasons. Legitimate ones at least. 

How many times have they been caught lying red-handed? Dozens? Hundreds? Then it's shrugged off as no big deal (except by the judge in the census case). That people are still, at this late date, willing to put themselves on line by parroting the "reasoning" we are given for this or that, knowing full well the opposite is probably true, is full-on, in your face evidence of Trump over country. Loyalty at all costs.

The ends justify any means, even raping kids. No exceptions shall be permitted.

What are you talking about? 

AG involvement has been shady AF in prior administrations. This is nothing new to only the current group.

Maybe the AG involvement is how to keep a former president out of hot water. You know, the one who invited a CHILD PIMP to his daughter's wedding. 

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This administration tosses around the phrase "conflict of interest" as a punchline. Mueller is conflicted because he was once a member of Trump's golf club. Some other guy is conflicted because he once donated money to a Democrat. Judge Curiel is conflicted because of the deeds of his forefathers.

But Bob Barr? He's a good guy. Likes the bagpipes. No way he could ever be conflicted over this.

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3 minutes ago, bananafish said:

I didn't really need another example, but thanks for proving my point in real time. 

Remember to protect at defend at all costs. Nothing may be considered beneath you. 

I'm not defending. I couldn't care less if trump goes down in this. 

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4 minutes ago, bananafish said:

Oh, and Alan Dershowitz resigned from Harvard. 

Seriously? Quick search shows zero on this. 

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14 minutes ago, bananafish said:

Oh, and Alan Dershowitz resigned from Harvard. 

Really? That’s a pretty big deal. Hasn’t he been associated with them his entire life? 

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I'm not getting Dershowitz's resignation either. 

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41 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I'm not getting Dershowitz's resignation either. 

Probably wants to spend more time with his family. Maybe chase his dream of playing pro baseball. 

Nevermind

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Hoodwinked by low-ratings bananafish’s fake news
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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

Thread title still holds out as prescient and correctly righteously angry. Good work, @ren hoek, I'm sure it wasn't appreciated at the time, but you were plugged in on this one.

Some of the other threads and ideas leave a bit to be desired, but this is good work. 

Thanks, but I really just borrowed Julie K. Brown's language from the article she wrote back then.  Thought about updating the thread title with "Bill Clinton took 26 trips on Epstein plane, 5 without secret service" as a joke, because I know some folks were wondering how many trips he took and how many of them were without secret service and if this information could be pinned at the top of the board, but thought better of just sticking with the old one.  

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3 minutes ago, randall146 said:

Probably wants to spend more time with his family. Maybe chase his dream of playing pro baseball. 

Funny. I mean I'm not seeing it. 

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David Corn on AM Joy shot down the Jane Doe case against Trump, saying none of the addresses or contacts checked out after months of investigation and that it originated with a known hoaxer. That's good enough for me.  No need to drag Trump or Clinton into this case based on the current evidence.

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3 minutes ago, bananafish said:

Sorry guys, I got fooled by a tweet about his 2013 retirement (which was their intention I'm sure). I'll do better.

Disregard.

Let's not flagellate here. Iz cool.

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3 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

That doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. I wonder what the reasoning would be that he needs to recuse for prior stuff but not the new stuff. 

@randall146 @Ditkaless Wonders @Henry Ford You guys are knowledgeable lawyers if I’m not mistaken (well, I think you’re lawyers anyway;) 

Recusal is complicated. There could be a number of ways to justify this. 

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8 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Well, Don Jr. was cheating on his wife with Aubrey O’Day for starters. 

And Eric lies about how his charity spends its money.

But I’m sure this will be a worthwhile rabbit hole to send the thread down. 

Oh good. I was worried you were going to say they were dating each other's wives. 

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7 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Recusal is complicated. There could be a number of ways to justify this. 

You’re complicated 

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

Oh good. I was worried you were going to say they were dating each other's wives. 

I don’t think you’re giving proper consideration to how horrible and weird Aubrey O’Day is. 

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1 minute ago, randall146 said:

You’re complicated 

I have it on good authority that I’m easy. 

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2 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I don’t think you’re giving proper consideration to how horrible and weird Aubrey O’Day is. 

I'll have to read up. I dont know the name. 

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4 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I'll have to read up. I dont know the name. 

She’s a reality Tv “Star”.  Her last boyfriend was Paulie D from The Jersey Shore.

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34 minutes ago, bananafish said:

Sorry guys, I got fooled by a tweet about his 2013 retirement (which was their intention I'm sure). I'll do better.

Disregard.

I was gonna say, damn.  He spends 50 years at Harvard and...gasp...retires.  He's 80 - at some point the dude is allowed to retire.

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2 hours ago, Sand said:

I was gonna say, damn.  He spends 50 years at Harvard and...gasp...retires.  He's 80 - at some point the dude is allowed to retire.

Dersh is a sad, sad human being.  Long career though.  

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From Reddit:

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Don’t let this nonsense distract you from Epstein and pedophilia in general as a party platform.

Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims and subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison.

Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Kentucky, pled guilty to child sex trafficking and on February 11, 2018 he was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison.

Republican state Senator Ralph Shortey was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. In November 2017, he pleaded guilty to one count of child sex trafficking in exchange for the dropping of the other charges.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

 

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1 hour ago, Mario Kart said:

From Reddit:

 

Honestly, they should make a similar list about Democrats as well

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44 minutes ago, msommer said:

Honestly, they should make a similar list about Democrats as well

Exactly what I was thinking. :hifive:

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4 hours ago, msommer said:

Honestly, they should make a similar list about Democrats as well

Go ahead and make one. They all need to be called out.

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16 hours ago, msommer said:

Honestly, they should make a similar list about Democrats as well

Yes, this is just making it seem a partisan issue with things like this and people thinking that it is just the same old same old if they aren't paying attention to this....and this in no way should be partisan.  

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1 hour ago, Bogeys said:

Yes, this is just making it seem a partisan issue with things like this and people thinking that it is just the same old same old if they aren't paying attention to this....and this in no way should be partisan.  

Agreed.  It shouldn't be, But the media can't help themselves anymore though. 

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29 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Agreed.  It shouldn't be, But the media can't help themselves anymore though. 

I don't consider some person on Reddit "the media". 

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On 7/13/2019 at 8:51 PM, zoonation said:

Dersh is a sad, sad human being.  Long career though.  

So Dersh is at the point where multiple girls claim he raped them, and he admits to getting massages from the underaged sexual slaves, only he totes promises he kept his underwear on. I’m thinking that’s not how sex slavery works.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Ham said:

So Dersh is at the point where multiple girls claim he raped them, and he admits to getting massages from the underaged sexual slaves, only he totes promises he kept his underwear on. I’m thinking that’s not how sex slavery works.

It's the 2019 version of, "I didn't inhale." Totally believable. 

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19 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

So Dersh is at the point where multiple girls claim he raped them, and he admits to getting massages from the underaged sexual slaves, only he totes promises he kept his underwear on. I’m thinking that’s not how sex slavery works.

Disappointed to find out he is not a "commando" man. 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Ham said:

So Dersh is at the point where multiple girls claim he raped them, and he admits to getting massages from the underaged sexual slaves

Wait, what?

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1 hour ago, ren hoek said:

Jeez 

https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist/status/1150409000531484673

NEW: Epstein scandal explodes in Israel as ties to former prime minister under scrutiny

 

Therein lies the problem with an international consensus that a government can do no wrong.  It’s amazing how much wrong someone will do in that situation. 

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7 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Wait, what?

I believe he claimed it was an “old, old Russian woman” and not an underage girl.

You know, because of all the octogenarian Russian women Epstein kept hanging around.

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Shimon Prokupecz‏Verified account @ShimonPro 3h3 hours ago

Prosecutors obtained further financial records confirming that Epstein is worth more than $500 million. One record showed he had a single account with over $110 million alone.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ren hoek said:

Jeez 

https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist/status/1150409000531484673

NEW: Epstein scandal explodes in Israel as ties to former prime minister under scrutiny

 

2 hours ago, Bucky86 said:

SDNY says they learned today that Epstein had in a locked safe a foreign passport issued in the 1980s, expired, with a photo that appears to be Epstein and a name that is not his. It also gives his place of residence as Saudi Arabia.

8:48 AM · Jul 15, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

- It can't be too long before George Nader makes his appearance, I'm guessing.

- This also shows besides the overlapping of R & D in a power strata high above ordinary mortals, it also applies to supposed blood enemies like Israel & KSA.

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Didn’t defendants implicated in sealed docs have two weeks to file motions to suppress evidence, otherwise judge ordered to be released? Wasn’t that two weeks ago?

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On 7/6/2019 at 10:59 PM, Mr. Ham said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/07/03/jeffrey-epstein-documents-could-expose-powerful-politicians-businessmen/

Rats have two weeks to file appeals before “prominent politicians, a well know PM and powerful businessmen” are exposed in release of sealed records. Let’s hope truth prevails, despite those inevitable appeals.

Just a followup on your post a little while ago:

This was July 3rd.

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The records will not be made public immediately. Mystery litigants in favor of keeping them sealed have roughly two weeks to file a formal request asking that all the 2nd Circuit judges consider their arguments.

My guess is it's a 2 week deadline to file objections, then if there are the court may deliberate or do more briefing or both. So this may not be a strict 2 weeks.

- I think I saw that someone has been filing objections and has a heavy legal team involved, it's an anon or sealed filing IIRC, but at any rate it is being challenged.

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lolololololol

The defense is arguing for bail, so that poor Jeffrey can go home. Then the prosecution reveals something else they found at Epstein's house: a fake passport for Saudi Arabia with a picture of Epstein and a false name.

:lmao:

Reminds me of the first episode of Better Call Saul when they roll in the videotape.

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