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Listening to the Acosta/Trump press conference it’s clear that Acosta is very effective with spin especially when compared to Trump. The fact that he went from that press conference to resigning today without pressure from Trump is likely a sign that it’s gonna get worse for him.

Trump on the other hand is telling them to keep digging into Epstein. His denials reminded me of ‘we had no contact with the Russians’. Slowly that denial will change to who cares if I went to his island numerous times, Bill was worse. Let’s see how quickly they start trotting our Rudy to spin this. 

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9 minutes ago, timschochet said:

His fastball includes such comments as “I never liked Epstein; I didn’t know him personally, but I didn’t like him.” 

More like a screwball. And, if you’re within a few feet of the President, a spitter. 

That's just Trump being Trump - no change from decades ago. His style appeals to many people, even if there are distortions in the substance.

His energy will be an asset in the 2020 debates and election.  That's my concern about Biden and why I'm  leaning toward Warren. 

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38 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

Apologies ain't their thing.  

There are a lot of permutations here, but one thing that occurred to me watching that presser on the lawn was that Trump is obviously pushing the ' never ever apologize' stratagem on Acosta and it's really not in his best interest. This frees him up to shut up or speak freely or whatever his lawyer says without concern for what the president is instructing him to do. If he was just going to resign that defensive press conference he did was foolish.

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8 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

Trump on the other hand is telling them to keep digging into Epstein. His denials reminded me of ‘we had no contact with the Russians’. Slowly that denial will change to who cares if I went to his island numerous times, Bill was worse. Let’s see how quickly they start trotting our Rudy to spin this. 

Or he knows what's coming...

And I'm happy he wants people to keep digging 

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1 hour ago, SoBeDad said:

I saw Al Franken.

Still no apology from Acosta and Trump calls Acosta a great Hispanic man. 

 

He said everyone in the administration really liked him.  I'm sure a few people in the administration would disagree with that statement. 

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1 hour ago, SoBeDad said:

I saw Al Franken.

Still no apology from Acosta and Trump calls Acosta a great Hispanic man

 

Soon could be proven to be a bad hombre

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Somebody, please tell me this is fake news.

https://twitter.com/page88/status/1149778880628252676?s=20

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So. More on the modern slave trade. Justice obstructor AG Bill Barr's dad, Donald Barr, the Dalton headmaster who unaccountably hired college dropout Coney Island hustler Jeffrey Epstein to teach underage girls, wrote a sex-slavery novel while working with Epstein.

 

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Not confirmed, but I saw it alleged that the senior Barr was a member of Germany's OSS in WW II.  Probably old news, as I'm sure that the government is good (or was good) at vetting this stuff out.

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9 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

Great story! You can feel the influence of some of the great sci-fi writers of our time! Definitely a good read!

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8 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

Not confirmed, but I saw it alleged that the senior Barr was a member of Germany's OSS in WW II.  Probably old news, as I'm sure that the government is good (or was good) at vetting this stuff out.

Oh, good. So he’s basically the old guy in Apt Pupil. 

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19 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

Somebody, please tell me this is fake news.

https://twitter.com/page88/status/1149778880628252676?s=20

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So. More on the modern slave trade. Justice obstructor AG Bill Barr's dad, Donald Barr, the Dalton headmaster who unaccountably hired college dropout Coney Island hustler Jeffrey Epstein to teach underage girls, wrote a sex-slavery novel while working with Epstein.

This verified author of this writes for Wired, L.A. Times, and has a PhD.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This verified author of this writes for Wired, L.A. Times, and has a PhD.

I saw it via a retweet from Asha Rangappa :wub: , so I figured it was legit. Still, it's staggering.

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28 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

Not confirmed, but I saw it alleged that the senior Barr was a member of Germany's OSS in WW II.  Probably old news, as I'm sure that the government is good (or was good) at vetting this stuff out.

SD? Abwehr? Gestapo?

Which would be the OSS equivalent?

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1 minute ago, msommer said:
31 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

Not confirmed, but I saw it alleged that the senior Barr was a member of Germany's OSS in WW II.  Probably old news, as I'm sure that the government is good (or was good) at vetting this stuff out.

SD? Abwehr? Gestapo?

Which would be the OSS equivalent?

Oops, my bad.  OSS = American, not German (Thanks, Evelyn Wood!)

From Wikipedia:

The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was a wartime intelligence agency of the United States during World War II, and a predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)

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4 hours ago, Mister CIA said:

Not confirmed, but I saw it alleged that the senior Barr was a member of Germany's OSS in WW II.  Probably old news, as I'm sure that the government is good (or was good) at vetting this stuff out.

Barr's father was Jewish and was born in NYC. He converted to Catholicism after marrying an Irish girl. 

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This is nuts.  You guys will chase anything down a rabbit hole.

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17 minutes ago, jonessed said:

This is nuts.  You guys will chase anything down a rabbit hole.

It's absolutely piss-take crazy. 

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27 minutes ago, jonessed said:

This is nuts.  You guys will chase anything down a rabbit hole.

OMG, the rabbits are part of this, too?!?!?

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5 hours ago, jonessed said:

This is nuts.  You guys will chase anything down a rabbit hole.

I like my rabbit holes as much as the next guy. 

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#TheRabbitDoneDied

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34 minutes ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

If Barr's dad really knew Epstein then Barr should recuse himself.

From my understanding Barr will recuse himself from any former charge or violation of the NPA. He appears to be staying on the case for any new charges. 

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8 minutes ago, Max Power said:

From my understanding Barr will recuse himself from any former charge or violation of the NPA. He appears to be staying on the case for any new charges. 

That doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. I wonder what the reasoning would be that he needs to recuse for prior stuff but not the new stuff. 

@randall146 @Ditkaless Wonders @Henry Ford You guys are knowledgeable lawyers if I’m not mistaken (well, I think you’re lawyers anyway;) 

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7 minutes ago, Max Power said:

From my understanding Barr will recuse himself from any former charge or violation of the NPA. He appears to be staying on the case for any new charges. 

Isn’t that a distinction without a difference? Part of the controversy of the NPA is that Epstein claims it prevents new charges. 

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19 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Isn’t that a distinction without a difference? Part of the controversy of the NPA is that Epstein claims it prevents new charges. 

I could totally be mistaken, but that was the reasoning I heard for the recuse/not recuse flip flop or whatever we call it. I'll look into it.

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1 hour ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

If Barr's dad really knew Epstein then Barr should recuse himself.

One is not responsible for the deeds or misdeeds of their forefathers.

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5 minutes ago, Sand said:

One is not responsible for the deeds or misdeeds of their forefathers.

No - I don't think Barr is responsible for his father's actions - but in legal parlance, recusal is done to "avoid the appearance of impropriety."

 

I think that standard would apply here - but I don't expect Barr to recuse himself.  He is not the recusing kind.

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4 minutes ago, Sand said:

One is not responsible for the deeds or misdeeds of their forefathers.

Watching CNN, the Mississippi governor  candidate who doesn't want to be alone with a female reporter just said "perception is reality".

Barr is not responsible for misdeeds of his father.  I'm not sure his father had misdeeds.  But, there is a perception that Epstein may be a long time family friend of Barr's - at least, an acquaintance.  

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9 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I could totally be mistaken, but that was the reasoning I heard for the recuse/not recuse flip flop or whatever we call it. I'll look into it.

It sounds like something Barr would do, don’t get me wrong. On the face of things the idea is his law firm represented Epstein so the recusal would go as far as that literal set of events. It’s just a slippery way to stay involved in the case and influence it anyway which absolutely sounds like something Barr would do.

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4 minutes ago, Sand said:

One is not responsible for the deeds or misdeeds of their forefathers.

How profound. I guess that settles that then. No collusion!

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10 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

How profound. I guess that settles that then. No collusion!

Well, Both Eric and Don Jr are self made creepy guys, IMHO. Is it nature of nurture? Discuss

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Thread title still holds out as prescient and correctly righteously angry. Good work, @ren hoek, I'm sure it wasn't appreciated at the time, but you were plugged in on this one.

Some of the other threads and ideas leave a bit to be desired, but this is good work. 

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16 minutes ago, msommer said:

Well, Both Eric and Don Jr are self made creepy guys, IMHO. Is it nature of nurture? Discuss

What makes then creepy?

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On 11/29/2018 at 7:49 AM, Rove! said:

Just posting this here from the confirmation hearings 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9aj9DoAnEM

I didn't realize this had already been posted. This was Tim Kaine questioning Acosta at confirmation (Kaine was the only one to raise this issue). Basically in the first 2:30 Kaine asked Acosta why the NPA deal would not be made part of the settlement record. Acosta first responds by saying he can't answer because it's an issue in litigation - which makes no sense, that's a reason for not discussing criminal investigations but not civil (at least at a confirmation), and then Acosta says that was the sort of thing that comes up "in any negotiation" which is untrue. - Acosta has a very calm way of sounding calm and has a 'this is normal' tone but what he is saying is absolute bs. 

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

What makes then creepy?

Their "American Psycho" looks and sheen.

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57 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

That doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. I wonder what the reasoning would be that he needs to recuse for prior stuff but not the new stuff. 

@randall146 @Ditkaless Wonders @Henry Ford You guys are knowledgeable lawyers if I’m not mistaken (well, I think you’re lawyers anyway;) 

It doesn’t make sense to me either. 

1) Seems to me it should be a recusal on anything Epstein related.

2) Particularly in this case when you can’t separate the prior non-prosecution agreement from the current prosecution, when the non-pros agreement is going to be litigated in the current case. 

3) I don’t think it’s normal for the AG to be involved in a ground level case to begin with. US Attorney’s Offices have a rigid chain of command. I’d guess there are 7-10 levels of management between trial prosecutor and the actual Attorney General of the US (at least 4-6 in SDNY, at least 3-4 at the national level). So it’s odd to me that he’d be involved at all.

4) The main reason he’d be involved is because Trump is linked to it (so far only tangentially). But that’s conflicty in itself. 

5) if nothing else, recusing on one issue but not another gives the appearance of a conflict, which, if you believe that justice system needs to appear to be fair, should be enough to justify recusal on the whole thing. But obviously this administration doesn’t mind the appearance of conflict. Trump and Barr actually seem to revel in it. 

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This thread got really weird in the last 24 hours with the whole “Barr’s dad, who in a past life was a Jewish spy for Hitler, collaborated with Epstein on a sci-fi porn novel.” 

I like weird. 

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Just now, timschochet said:

This thread got really weird in the last 24 hours with the whole “Barr’s dad, who in a past life was a Jewish spy for Hitler, collaborated with Epstein on a sci-fi porn novel.” 

I like weird. 

Yes, yes it did.

Weird is good until it involves Xanadu-esque productions with naked underage girls. 

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

I could totally be mistaken, but that was the reasoning I heard for the recuse/not recuse flip flop or whatever we call it. I'll look into it.

Here's a hint: the reasoning given for anything this administration does doesn't contain any actual, you know, reasons. Legitimate ones at least. 

How many times have they been caught lying red-handed? Dozens? Hundreds? Then it's shrugged off as no big deal (except by the judge in the census case). That people are still, at this late date, willing to put themselves on line by parroting the "reasoning" we are given for this or that, knowing full well the opposite is probably true, is full-on, in your face evidence of Trump over country. Loyalty at all costs.

The ends justify any means, even raping kids. No exceptions shall be permitted.

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5 minutes ago, bananafish said:

Here's a hint: the reasoning given for anything this administration does doesn't contain any actual, you know, reasons. Legitimate ones at least. 

How many times have they been caught lying red-handed? Dozens? Hundreds? Then it's shrugged off as no big deal (except by the judge in the census case). That people are still, at this late date, willing to put themselves on line by parroting the "reasoning" we are given for this or that, knowing full well the opposite is probably true, is full-on, in your face evidence of Trump over country. Loyalty at all costs.

The ends justify any means, even raping kids. No exceptions shall be permitted.

What are you talking about? 

AG involvement has been shady AF in prior administrations. This is nothing new to only the current group.

Maybe the AG involvement is how to keep a former president out of hot water. You know, the one who invited a CHILD PIMP to his daughter's wedding. 

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51 minutes ago, Max Power said:

What makes then creepy?

That’s what he’s asking.  Genetics or environment?

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This administration tosses around the phrase "conflict of interest" as a punchline. Mueller is conflicted because he was once a member of Trump's golf club. Some other guy is conflicted because he once donated money to a Democrat. Judge Curiel is conflicted because of the deeds of his forefathers.

But Bob Barr? He's a good guy. Likes the bagpipes. No way he could ever be conflicted over this.

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24 minutes ago, Max Power said:

What are you talking about? 

AG involvement has been shady AF in prior administrations. This is nothing new to only the current group.

Maybe the AG involvement is how to keep a former president out of hot water. You know, the one who invited a CHILD PIMP to his daughter's wedding. 

I didn't really need another example, but thanks for proving my point in real time. 

Remember to protect and defend at all costs. Nothing may be considered beneath you. 

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