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Jeffrey Epstein: there is definitely nothing to see here folks, I am feeling very sleepy, I think I'll take a nice nap.

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This case gets worse at every turn. 

An attorney for several accusers of Jeffrey Epsteinsaid Tuesday that the wealthy financierhad “improper sexual contact” with “female visitors” while he was on work release during his earlier jail time.

“It was sexual in nature,” attorney Brad Edwards said. “The female visitors were not there for business.”

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On 7/15/2019 at 4:59 PM, jonessed said:

At least until they are convicted or plead.  I’m OK with that generally speaking.  Cases such as this test that resolve, but I think it’s reasonable to not be dragged through the mud sans a plea deal or a conviction.

 

Why should only the rich and powerful be given this courtesy?

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3 minutes ago, CR69 said:
On 7/15/2019 at 7:59 PM, jonessed said:

At least until they are convicted or plead.  I’m OK with that generally speaking.  Cases such as this test that resolve, but I think it’s reasonable to not be dragged through the mud sans a plea deal or a conviction.

 

Why should only the rich and powerful be given this courtesy?

I'm sure he extended that same courtesy to Hillary. And was very disappointed when Trump and his campaign didn't.

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1 hour ago, CR69 said:

 

Why should only the rich and powerful be given this courtesy?

I’m not suggesting that.  I think anyone could make the request.

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34 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

I am so glad that I've never discussed women with any one.    

There's nothing incriminating in the video, it just goes to Trump's claim that he didn't know him any more than anyone else in South Florida. It's also not clear if it's same or different than this party from 1992 (previously posted by MT).

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39 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'm surprised Mika didn't say anything but at the 1:20 mark, there is a lady in greenish shorts. Trump interaction with her is... odd.

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7 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

I'm surprised Mika didn't say anything but at the 1:20 mark, there is a lady in greenish shorts. Trump interaction with her is... odd.

Yep, here it is.

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11 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Anand Giridharadas lurks here? He stole my story. I should have tweeted that and become famous. I'm an Influencer.

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9 hours ago, jonessed said:

I’m not suggesting that.  I think anyone could make the request.

Do you think OJ did it?

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Don't really know what the big deal is with the tape.  We know Trump was a pervert ESPECIALLY IN 1992.  We know that he and Epstein were good friends.   So are we confirming what everyone already knows about him?

The only thing I got from watching that is apparently Trump had NEVER heard of trimming his eyebrows in 1992.  Eugene Levy looks at him and went :eek:

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The little “white guy overbite” move while dancing is too on the nose. 

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52 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I fired on women as recently as Saturday night. Young, but well over 21,hot, women. In front of my wife no less. Never in my life would it even occur to me of grabbing their bottom though and I was on quite a few drugs to boot. 

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9 minutes ago, Quint said:

The little “white guy overbite” move while dancing is too on the nose. 

trump looks all gacked up in that video

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There’s nothing incriminating in that video.  Trump distancing himself from Epstein, while understandable, is laughable.  

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28 minutes ago, hammerva said:

Don't really know what the big deal is with the tape.  We know Trump was a pervert ESPECIALLY IN 1992. 

Yep, such a pervert - he thought that a Dolphins cheerleader was hot.  Disgraceful.

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23 minutes ago, zoonation said:

There’s nothing incriminating in that video.

Other than confirmation that he likes to grab women.

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33 minutes ago, Sand said:

Yep, such a pervert - he thought that a Dolphins cheerleader was hot.  Disgraceful.

While married?   clearly he wasn't thinking just "they are hot"

 

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CNN: Lets not get caught up in who Epstein's friends are. 

Also CNN: Breaking News - Trump spoke to Epstien about women in 1992. 

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16 minutes ago, Max Power said:

CNN: Lets not get caught up in who Epstein's friends are. 

Also CNN: Breaking News - Trump spoke to Epstien about women in 1992. 

When did CNN say not to look at who his friends are? I don’t remember seeing that.

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35 minutes ago, hammerva said:

While married?   clearly he wasn't thinking just "they are hot"

That doesn't make him a pervert.  It makes him a philanderer, a playboy, and an oath breaker, but not a perv.

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3 minutes ago, Sand said:

That doesn't make him a pervert.  It makes him a philanderer, a playboy, and an oath breaker, but not a perv.

 

How about assaulting women and walking in on young pageant girls while they are changing?

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2 minutes ago, Sand said:

That doesn't make him a pervert.  It makes him a philanderer, a playboy, and an oath breaker, but not a perv.

I don't think this video shows anything other than Trump knew Epstein. And since this is now the he second time he's been photographed with him, it's hard to claim Trump hardly knew him.

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42 minutes ago, hammerva said:

While married?   clearly he wasn't thinking just "they are hot"

 

I think they mentioned that this party was after he was divorced

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1 minute ago, whoknew said:

 

How about assaulting women and walking in on young pageant girls while they are changing?

I'd classify that as being a perv.  The comments he made about his daughter kind of confirm it too.

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43 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Also CNN: Breaking News - Trump spoke to Epstien about women in 1992. 

Eh I'd refer back to the NYT story. MT posted a link from Slate further up. I think this is the same party.

Here's an odd thing about that party: no one else is there, except Epstein and one other guy. The NYT story describes a friend of Trump's advising him not to do this. At the time it was described as a "VIP" event with only one VIP, Epstein

This seems off base but I promise it's not - Bette Midler had this interesting interview or tweet recently where she described an event once where she was told that Trump would be holding a VIP event and golly there would be lots of celebs there. Ok so she went thought it would be fun, part of the job, whatever. She gets there and there's only her and one other person, some financier guy who was a huge Bette Midler fan. So she was dragged there as bait so Trump could connect with this guy, I guess financially or socially.

That video it's just Trump, that other random dude riding shotgun and the cheerleaders. The whole point of the party appeared to be to get Epstein to Maralago. That's how it looks to me.

And oh NBC - seriously thanks, NBC, for everything you've done for America, great work - just happened to be there.

Trump certainly seemed intent on hooking up while there with the cheerleaders (ok big deal, married but whatever) but also seemed to think at the time that was something Epstein would be interested in and that's why the girls were really there.

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1 hour ago, Sand said:

Yep, such a pervert - he thought that a Dolphins cheerleader was hot.  Disgraceful.

Might have been a Bills cheerleader.

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Clearly Trump appeared to know Epstein a lot better than he says he does.  There's potential for some serious ramifications from that.  But that video just looks like consenting adults partying together.  

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47 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

When did CNN say not to look at who his friends are? I don’t remember seeing that.

Chris Cuomo implored viewers not to get caught up in the "intrigue" of who Epstein was friends with and instead focus on how it was handled.

"When we're talking about Epstein, you got to stick to what is common sense on these things, all right?" Cuomo said Wednesday night. "Don't get buried in legalese, don't follow the finger-pointing, and please don't get up on the intrigue of who was better friends with this guy. Who cares? Let's take a look at the facts of what we know about how it was handled. Okay?
 

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5 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Clearly Trump appeared to know Epstein a lot better than he says he does.  There's potential for some serious ramifications from that.  But that video just looks like consenting adults partying together.  

I agree.  All that video shows is that he in fact knows Epstein better than he's told everyone.  Not surprising.

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

Chris Cuomo implored viewers not to get caught up in the "intrigue" of who Epstein was friends with and instead focus on how it was handled.

"When we're talking about Epstein, you got to stick to what is common sense on these things, all right?" Cuomo said Wednesday night. "Don't get buried in legalese, don't follow the finger-pointing, and please don't get up on the intrigue of who was better friends with this guy. Who cares? Let's take a look at the facts of what we know about how it was handled. Okay?
 

I usually like Cuomo but that’s a stupid thing to say. Even if he’s talking just about the sweetheart deal he received, it absolutely matters who his friends are because that’s likely the reason why he got the sweetheart deal.

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4 minutes ago, Max Power said:
52 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

When did CNN say not to look at who his friends are? I don’t remember seeing that.

Chris Cuomo implored viewers not to get caught up in the "intrigue" of who Epstein was friends with and instead focus on how it was handled.

"When we're talking about Epstein, you got to stick to what is common sense on these things, all right?" Cuomo said Wednesday night. "Don't get buried in legalese, don't follow the finger-pointing, and please don't get up on the intrigue of who was better friends with this guy. Who cares? Let's take a look at the facts of what we know about how it was handled. Okay?
 

There is a difference between "who Epstein was friends with" and "who Epstein had private parties featuring teenage girls with".

The former group is not as relevant to Epstein scandal as the latter group. Anyone known to be part of the latter group is fair game for discussion.

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28 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Eh I'd refer back to the NYT story. MT posted a link from Slate further up. I think this is the same party.

Here's an odd thing about that party: no one else is there, except Epstein and one other guy. The NYT story describes a friend of Trump's advising him not to do this. At the time it was described as a "VIP" event with only one VIP, Epstein

This seems off base but I promise it's not - Bette Midler had this interesting interview or tweet recently where she described an event once where she was told that Trump would be holding a VIP event and golly there would be lots of celebs there. Ok so she went thought it would be fun, part of the job, whatever. She gets there and there's only her and one other person, some financier guy who was a huge Bette Midler fan. So she was dragged there as bait so Trump could connect with this guy, I guess financially or socially.

That video it's just Trump, that other random dude riding shotgun and the cheerleaders. The whole point of the party appeared to be to get Epstein to Maralago. That's how it looks to me.

And oh NBC - seriously thanks, NBC, for everything you've done for America, great work - just happened to be there.

Trump certainly seemed intent on hooking up while there with the cheerleaders (ok big deal, married but whatever) but also seemed to think at the time that was something Epstein would be interested in and that's why the girls were really there.

So why is NBC there to cover it? As dumb as they may be, people generally dont invite the media to events with shady undertones

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Just now, Max Power said:

So why is NBC there to cover it? As dumb as they may be, people generally dont invite the media to events with shady undertones

I do not know, obviously. Was Trump trying to promote a show even back then? What? No idea.

But Trump may have had NBC there to impress Epstein. What the heck is Epstein doing there with Trump and whatever his lil buddy was there?

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And we still have the young lady who was 13 at the time of the incident  that claimed Trump,  while partying with Epstein,  tied her to a bed and raped her and then told her he'd have his mafia friends kill her if she ever said anything. People called her a liar and she got death threats when she came out about it. Maybe she wasn't. 

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6 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

And we still have the young lady who was 13 at the time of the incident  that claimed Trump,  while partying with Epstein,  tied her to a bed and raped her and then told her he'd have his mafia friends kill her if she ever said anything. People called her a liar and she got death threats when she came out about it. Maybe she wasn't. 

Was that the case that was dropped? 

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2 minutes ago, Max Power said:

So why is NBC there to cover it? As dumb as they may be, people generally dont invite the media to events with shady undertones

We’re talking about the guy who frequently would call into newspapers and tabloids under a fake name to spread gossip about him dating beautiful women. Him inviting the media to cover his party with dozens of beautiful women is absolutely in his wheelhouse even if a shady person like Epstein was there with him.

The other thing is that Epstein was a complete unknown to the public up until his original arrest. I doubt that these powerful people would have been associated with him if they thought there was any chance he would be caught.

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2 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Was that the case that was dropped? 

Yeah she said she felt the threats were credible and she was afraid. Maybe now with so many women bound to come forward she will feel brave enough to try again. 

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2 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

Yeah she said she felt the threats were credible and she was afraid. Maybe now with so many women bound to come forward she will feel brave enough to try again. 

I hope she does

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So we have  Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet.

And we have Espstein at Chelsea's wedding.

 

Any other Clinton ties we know of?

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18 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

And we still have the young lady who was 13 at the time of the incident  that claimed Trump,  while partying with Epstein,  tied her to a bed and raped her and then told her he'd have his mafia friends kill her if she ever said anything. People called her a liar and she got death threats when she came out about it. Maybe she wasn't. 

There was a big discussion about that on MSNBC a few days ago.  A gentleman on there (journalist) indicated that he and a couple others investigated that for months and noted that the source was a known scammer, among other things, and that they ultimately concluded the allegation to be false.  Given that this was an otherwise liberal Trump hatefest it had some gravitas to it.  I wish I caught his name, but I didn't.  It was on Joy Reid's show.

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Just now, TripItUp said:

So we have  Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet.

And we have Espstein at Chelsea's wedding.

 

Any other Clinton ties we know of?

#26flights

#neverforget

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4 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

So we have  Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet.

And we have Espstein at Chelsea's wedding.

 

Any other Clinton ties we know of?

We also have reports of Clinton at Epstein's private island. Wouldn't surprise me at all to find Bill was partaking. If so and they can prove it I hope they throw his ### in jail.

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4 minutes ago, Sand said:

There was a big discussion about that on MSNBC a few days ago.  A gentleman on there (journalist) indicated that he and a couple others investigated that for months and noted that the source was a known scammer, among other things, and that they ultimately concluded the allegation to be false.  Given that this was an otherwise liberal Trump hatefest it had some gravitas to it.  I wish I caught his name, but I didn't.  It was on Joy Reid's show.

Well now there will be a lot more available corroboration so we'll see.

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