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18 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

And we still have the young lady who was 13 at the time of the incident  that claimed Trump,  while partying with Epstein,  tied her to a bed and raped her and then told her he'd have his mafia friends kill her if she ever said anything. People called her a liar and she got death threats when she came out about it. Maybe she wasn't. 

There was a big discussion about that on MSNBC a few days ago.  A gentleman on there (journalist) indicated that he and a couple others investigated that for months and noted that the source was a known scammer, among other things, and that they ultimately concluded the allegation to be false.  Given that this was an otherwise liberal Trump hatefest it had some gravitas to it.  I wish I caught his name, but I didn't.  It was on Joy Reid's show.

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Just now, TripItUp said:

So we have  Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet.

And we have Espstein at Chelsea's wedding.

 

Any other Clinton ties we know of?

#26flights

#neverforget

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4 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

So we have  Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet.

And we have Espstein at Chelsea's wedding.

 

Any other Clinton ties we know of?

We also have reports of Clinton at Epstein's private island. Wouldn't surprise me at all to find Bill was partaking. If so and they can prove it I hope they throw his ### in jail.

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4 minutes ago, Sand said:

There was a big discussion about that on MSNBC a few days ago.  A gentleman on there (journalist) indicated that he and a couple others investigated that for months and noted that the source was a known scammer, among other things, and that they ultimately concluded the allegation to be false.  Given that this was an otherwise liberal Trump hatefest it had some gravitas to it.  I wish I caught his name, but I didn't.  It was on Joy Reid's show.

Well now there will be a lot more available corroboration so we'll see.

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1 minute ago, NCCommish said:

We also have reports of Clinton at Epstein's private island. Wouldn't surprise me at all to find Bill was partaking. If so and they can prove it I hope they throw his ### in jail.

wow, did not know that

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Just now, TripItUp said:

wow, did not know that

One of the women who has come forward said she saw him there and asked Epstein about it. Epstein allegedly replied that "Clinton owed him".

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10 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

So we have  Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet.

And we have Espstein at Chelsea's wedding.

 

Any other Clinton ties we know of?

It was Maxwell at Chelsea's wedding. Maxwell who is rumored to be named as co-conspirator with Epstein. 

Maxwell who has been identified by a victim as Epstein's madam who procured the victims. 

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9 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

Well now there will be a lot more available corroboration so we'll see.

 

If he did it, lock him up forever.  But there is absolutely such a thing as false allegations and being called a child molester is about the worst thing there is.  As much as people hate him he is innocent until proven otherwise.  I expect there to be huge bombs hidden in Epstein's safe that will see the light of day; of the theorized ways that he made his fortune my bet is that he got his start with that Ponzi scheme and moved directly to a huge blackmail ring.  Some "investors" in his hedge fund are going to fall.  So you're right, there should be corroboration, either by inclusion or absence in that safe.  If I were to put odds on it among the three big personalities mentioned as being connected to him I would put it at most suspect being Clinton, Dershowitz, then Trump.

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2 minutes ago, Max Power said:

It was Maxwell at Chelsea's wedding. Maxwell who is rumored to be named as co-conspirator with Epstein. 

Maxwell who has been identified by a victim as Epstein's madam who procured the victims. 

Example number 2342 of "Now imagine this was happening with a Hillary Clinton presidency".

The Republicans would be holding hearings to investigate these ties, Fox News would be discussing these ties non-stop.  

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Epstein has also claimed to be a co-founder of the Clinton foundation, but that hardly gets mentioned.

I'm not trying to make this a Clinton vs trump thing, but the media is clearly investigating one more than the other. The one with less ties and where we have to assume things to make the story work. 

Sure Trump is more newsworthy today than Clinton, but anyone who was the victim of either man deserves the same follow through.

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3 minutes ago, Sand said:

 

If he did it, lock him up forever.  But there is absolutely such a thing as false allegations and being called a child molester is about the worst thing there is.  As much as people hate him he is innocent until proven otherwise.  I expect there to be huge bombs hidden in Epstein's safe that will see the light of day; of the theorized ways that he made his fortune my bet is that he got his start with that Ponzi scheme and moved directly to a huge blackmail ring.  Some "investors" in his hedge fund are going to fall.  So you're right, there should be corroboration, either by inclusion or absence in that safe.  If I were to put odds on it among the three big personalities mentioned as being connected to him I would put it at most suspect being Clinton, Dershowitz, then Trump.

I'd probably swap Trump for Dershowitz but otherwise I agree with what you've said here.

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1 minute ago, adonis said:

Example number 2342 of "Now imagine this was happening with a Hillary Clinton presidency".

The Republicans would be holding hearings to investigate these ties, Fox News would be discussing these ties non-stop.  

Epstein would still be a free man under Hillary

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1 minute ago, adonis said:

Example number 2342 of "Now imagine this was happening with a Hillary Clinton presidency".

The Republicans would be holding hearings to investigate these ties, Fox News would be discussing these ties non-stop.  

Right now it's about 8:1 the other way (with the Clinton ties seemingly much more suspicious).  I'd say overall a HRC presidency would see this be a much quieter item than being reported on now.

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We keep forgetting Prince Andrew. Also a reported island visitor and a long time Epstein associate. He seems real nervous.

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2 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

We keep forgetting Prince Andrew. Also a reported island visitor and a long time Epstein associate. He seems real nervous.

Sounds like unsealing the event that involves him will be bad for a couple high profile Americans as well

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12 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Epstein has also claimed to be a co-founder of the Clinton foundation, but that hardly gets mentioned.

I'm not trying to make this a Clinton vs trump thing, but the media is clearly investigating one more than the other. The one with less ties and where we have to assume things to make the story work. 

Sure Trump is more newsworthy today than Clinton, but anyone who was the victim of either man deserves the same follow through.

Perhaps because one is the President and the other was the President :shrug: 

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2 minutes ago, Sammy3469 said:

Perhaps because one is the President and the other was the President :shrug: 

I acknowledged as much. I'd like to think the media is doing it's due diligence on every angle, but it just isnt the impression I'm personally getting. 

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13 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Epstein has also claimed to be a co-founder of the Clinton foundation, but that hardly gets mentioned.

I'm not trying to make this a Clinton vs trump thing, but the media is clearly investigating one more than the other. The one with less ties and where we have to assume things to make the story work. 

Sure Trump is more newsworthy today than Clinton, but anyone who was the victim of either man deserves the same follow through.

This isn't just because Trump is "more newsworthy"; it's also because Trump hired the guy who let Epstein off the hook.

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Just now, Max Power said:

I acknowledged as much. I'd like to think the media is doing it's due diligence on every angle, but it just isnt the impression I'm personally getting. 

More concerned with what the investigators are doing, but the media will put out whatever its viewers will tune in for.

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:
7 minutes ago, Sammy3469 said:

Perhaps because one is the President and the other was the President :shrug: 

I acknowledged as much. I'd like to think the media is doing it's due diligence on every angle, but it just isnt the impression I'm personally getting. 

Maybe you should go back in time to 2016 and read FoxNews

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2 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

This isn't just because Trump is "more newsworthy"; it's also because Trump hired the guy who let Epstein off the hook.

So you think Acosta was the mastermind behind the whole Epstein deal?  You dont think it came down from above or Epstein offered up something?

What did Acosta have to gain by letting Epstein off light?

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3 minutes ago, Max Power said:
8 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

This isn't just because Trump is "more newsworthy"; it's also because Trump hired the guy who let Epstein off the hook.

So you think Acosta was the mastermind behind the whole Epstein deal?  You dont think it came down from above or Epstein offered up something?

What did Acosta have to gain by letting Epstein off light?

Career advancement.

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2 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

Career advancement.

He is unemployed 

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34 minutes ago, Sand said:

 

If he did it, lock him up forever.  But there is absolutely such a thing as false allegations and being called a child molester is about the worst thing there is.  As much as people hate him he is innocent until proven otherwise.  I expect there to be huge bombs hidden in Epstein's safe that will see the light of day; of the theorized ways that he made his fortune my bet is that he got his start with that Ponzi scheme and moved directly to a huge blackmail ring.  Some "investors" in his hedge fund are going to fall.  So you're right, there should be corroboration, either by inclusion or absence in that safe.  If I were to put odds on it among the three big personalities mentioned as being connected to him I would put it at most suspect being Clinton, Dershowitz, then Trump.

 

This is the standard for a court of law. It doesn't mean the public or any individual can't come to their own opinion.

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Just now, Max Power said:
3 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

Career advancement.

He is unemployed 

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

He is unemployed 

Do you think it was expected that any of these recent developments would happen? He made it through the confirmation with barely a word about it.

Was he the mastermind of the deal? Absolutely not but he appears to be a more than willing participant. His role could be anywhere from someone they want keep quiet to a bad actor who blackmailed his way into the position. But i have a hard time believing that it’s a coincidence that he ended up with a cabinet position in the administration of an Epstein associate. I would not be surprised if he was also promised a position if Hillary would have won.

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39 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

It's a far different country for you if you're rich and powerful and that isn't what we're supposed to be about

Sure - two planes coincidentally meet on a tarmac and talk about grandkids after which a few words in a report get changed prior to an investigation ending.  Rule of man > rule of law for some in power.

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1 hour ago, Sand said:

There was a big discussion about that on MSNBC a few days ago.  A gentleman on there (journalist) indicated that he and a couple others investigated that for months and noted that the source was a known scammer, among other things, and that they ultimately concluded the allegation to be false.  Given that this was an otherwise liberal Trump hatefest it had some gravitas to it.  I wish I caught his name, but I didn't.  It was on Joy Reid's show.

David Corn. IIRC, he said none of leads checked out and the story originated with a known hoaxer. On the same show, James Patterson, who knows Trump well, said that's a line Trump wouldn't cross.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1151511189656150016

I'm seeing a lot of references to the since-dropped lawsuit claiming @realDonaldTrump  raped a 13-year-old girl at Epstein's mansion. We at @motherjones investigated the charge & found many reasons to be skeptical. This story shows some of them:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

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burn to the ground Epstein and everyone (who knowingly) associated with what he was doing

every

single

one

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3 hours ago, NCCommish said:

And we still have the young lady who was 13 at the time of the incident  that claimed Trump,  while partying with Epstein,  tied her to a bed and raped her and then told her he'd have his mafia friends kill her if she ever said anything. People called her a liar and she got death threats when she came out about it. Maybe she wasn't. 

I think she was found out to be a known scammer.

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8 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trump: Check out that redhead..

Epstein: Too old

Trump: What about the brunette?  I bet she’s no more than 19

Epstein:  I’m not into cougars, Donnie.

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6 hours ago, Sheriff Bart said:

I fired on women as recently as Saturday night. Young, but well over 21,hot, women. In front of my wife no less. Never in my life would it even occur to me of grabbing their bottom though and I was on quite a few drugs to boot. 

Ricky Spanish

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44 minutes ago, Stealthycat said:

burn to the ground Epstein and everyone (who knowingly) associated with what he was doing

every

single

one

Could this finally be the thing that makes people go against Trump?  I doubt enough evidence ever shows up to prove this but maybe, just maybe we found the line for Trump to cross.

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1 minute ago, [scooter] said:

Trump -- not to mention Epstein's other associates, including Bill Clinton and Alan Dershowitz -- has plausible deniability on his side. All he or Clinton or Dershowitz have to do is say "I thought she was 18, I swear!" and the charges will slide off like teflon.

Most likely.  I don't expect anything to happen.

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2 hours ago, SoBeDad said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1151511189656150016

I'm seeing a lot of references to the since-dropped lawsuit claiming @realDonaldTrump  raped a 13-year-old girl at Epstein's mansion. We at @motherjones investigated the charge & found many reasons to be skeptical. This story shows some of them:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

Mother Jones is ground zero for anti-Trump hate propaganda and says this story is false.  Will you guys ever learn?

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8 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

Mother Jones is ground zero for anti-Trump hate propaganda and says this story is false.  Will you guys ever learn?

there is nothing in the links that substantively discredits the allegations in the complaint, or suggests that 2 women perjured themselves by swearing affidavits in support of the complaint. 

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23 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

Mother Jones is ground zero for anti-Trump hate propaganda and says this story is false.  Will you guys ever learn?

What exactly are we supposed to learn?

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1 minute ago, Widbil83 said:

Mother Jones

You could probably take away from this that you can also trust Mother Jones on other stories, despite what you have been told.

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21 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

You could probably take away from this that you can also trust Mother Jones on other stories, despite what you have been told.

I’m not trying to stop you guys from falling all over yourselves in here.  I was just pointing out that the first place to throw up the green light on this story ran away from it.

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3 hours ago, SoBeDad said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1151511189656150016

I'm seeing a lot of references to the since-dropped lawsuit claiming @realDonaldTrump  raped a 13-year-old girl at Epstein's mansion. We at @motherjones investigated the charge & found many reasons to be skeptical. This story shows some of them:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

this reminds me of the time Breitbart had a long article debunking the Uranium One hoax. 

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40 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

You could probably take away from this that you can also trust Mother Jones on other stories, despite what you have been told.

I'm sure that's what he/they will take away from this

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54 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

I’m not trying to stop you guys from falling all over yourselves in here.  I was just pointing out that the first place to throw up the green light on this story ran away from it.

The David Corn / MJ piece has already been mentioned twice here. Posters are being fair, the best thing to do is post good info from reliable sources so we can keep up with the events. - Thanks.

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40 minutes ago, Gianni Verscotchie said:

Aww man. This is going to get messy.

List of names will be staggering

This reminds me of when that list of athletes doing steroids came out 5 years or so ago. Back then SOME were rooting for particular players to be on the list. I wasn't one of those people and won't be now either. 

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