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Jeffrey Epstein: there is definitely nothing to see here folks, I am feeling very sleepy, I think I'll take a nice nap. (6 Viewers)

SaintsInDome2006 said:
I’d really like to see the number of people with one suicide within a few weeks, in special housing, and who is a top shelf SDNY witness at Manhattan federal CC having accomplished suicide in the last 50 years, and we will never see that number, but I bet that is a really, really low number nearing but not quite at zero.

Mind I’m agreeing with you, I think on almost everything, but this isn’t OPP.
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Almost 300 prisoners a year successfully kill themselves in custody. 30 of them in federal custody. 

 
Amused to Death said:
Epstein’s friends just lost any chance of having penthouse evidence tossed by courts — here’s why

The news of wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein committing suicide in a federal facility in Manhattan has sparked a number of wild theories online, including that he may have been bumped off by some unspecified person close to him to prevent evidence from surfacing about the other well-connected people to whom he may have trafficked children.

But in reality, as a former federal prosecutor told Courthouse News reporter Adam Klasfeld, Epstein’s death could make it easier, not harder, to bring Epstein’s co-conspirators to justice.

The reason is that Epstein was the only person who had legal standing to sue the investigators trying to comb through the evidence in his mansions and penthouses, including videotapes of young girls and documents that may mention the names of people who were at his properties on specific dates. Had Epstein lived, and made it to trial, his attorneys could have filed motions to throw out that evidence. Now, however, no one has standing to put the brakes on the investigation.
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Thank you.  

What exactly do you guys think the compulsive liar con-man who raped kids was going to cooperate on?

 
Henry Ford said:
Seriously. 

“Child molesting sex trafficker commits suicide after a month in solitary once it becomes clear everyone knows what he did and he will potentially spend his life in prison as a known child sex trafficker right after he is removed from suicide watch” is probably the least suspicious death in history. 
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Yeah, it's weird.

 
Also, weird we’re calling this a “blame” thing.  If a mob had dragged him out of his cell and beaten him to death we’d be wondering who gets the biggest medal. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Almost 300 prisoners a year successfully kill themselves in custody. 30 of them in federal custody. 
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Federal has 30 total? That’s not a lot, Henry. Point stands. SDNY MCC, special housing, suicide attempt 15 days earlier, witness to top shelf names in a highly publicized case.

I’m trying to agree with you, but even given your 30 number this is a massive BOP screwup.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Federal has 30 total? That’s not a lot, Henry. Point stands. SDNY MCC, special housing, suicide attempt 15 days earlier, witness to top shelf names in a highly publicized case.

Im trying to agree with you, but even given you 30 number this is a massive BOP screwup.
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Yeah. I’m sure the people who let him kill himself feel almost as bad as the people who let Dahmer die. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Seriously. 

“Child molesting sex trafficker commits suicide after a month in solitary once it becomes clear everyone knows what he did and he will potentially spend his life in prison as a known child sex trafficker right after he is removed from suicide watch” is probably the least suspicious death in history. 
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Its an interesting story though - because, for me, his death makes his guilt more probable than not.  And if he is guilty, there are a lot of other rich and powerful people who are probably also guilty.

So, you have motive for suicide, and murder - and presumably no interest by DOJ to really dig too deep - lest they turn up something they can't cover back up.

 
Henry Ford said:
I think if he was a decent guy he’d be alive. He’s not. Why would anyone really push against regulations to say “yeah, we can take him off suicide watch but let’s be extra careful to save him”?
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I’d imagine it requires a medical signoff. So there’s that. But even a doctor can be manipulated.

To answer your question, they wouldn’t from a moral standpoint, unless they wanted to preserve the case. Prison guards run their own little worlds though.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I’d imagine it requires a medical signoff. So there’s that. But even a doctor can be manipulated.

To answer your question, they wouldn’t from a moral standpoint, unless they wanted to preserve the case. Prison guards run their own little worlds though.
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I’m trying to figure out what you mean by “preserve the case.”  This guy was NOT going to help the investigation. He’s so lawyered up he makes John Gotti look like he had public defenders. 

Now he can’t even object to searches and evidence.  So....?

 
Henry Ford said:
I’m trying to figure out what you mean by “preserve the case.”  This guy was NOT going to help the investigation. He’s so lawyered up he makes John Gotti look like he had public defenders. 

Now he can’t even object to searches and evidence.  So....?
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He’s still a witness. Or rather was. I really seriously doubt SDNY treats people in public profile cases like this cavalierly.

And the case against what and whom now? Who are they charging? What are they seizing? No one and nothing. I hope that’s not the case but feel free to explain, I’ll only be happy if you tell me this thing is moving forward.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
He’s still a witness. Or rather was. I really seriously doubt SDNY treats people in public profile cases like this cavalierly.

And the case against what and whom now? Who are they charging? What are they seizing? No one and nothing. I hope that’s not the case but feel free to explain, I’ll only be happy if you tell me this thing is moving forward.
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Who were they going after before other than Epstein? There wasn’t going to be a Perry Mason moment here. He wasn’t going to give everyone else up: he’s the big fish.  Pimps don’t get immunity to sell out their customers. 

In my opinion this probably changes nothing all that important about any investigation. 

 
Misfit said:
This is what I’m hoping for. 
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the problem with this theory is that at best it applies to only stuff that's already been grabbed by LE. it's what was in epstein's head (and what might have been destroyed previously) that may be gone forever

 
Henry Ford said:
In my opinion this probably changes nothing all that important about any investigation. 
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:shrug:

Depends I suppose on how serious the investigation is - whether its a sham that quickly closes the books before anything else is uncovered - or if it turns up evidence of more malfeasance.  

I could see a public outcry here for some donkey to pin the tail on - but I could also see a behind the scenes push to "Move along here, nothing else to see, the BG can't hurt you any more."  And given the high profile nature of the people who are alleged in participating here - I could see any number of people capable of exerting that kind of influence - and since it appears to cut a rather large swath across the political spectrum, I don't think many people are eager to dig much deeper.

But - underaged girls - I think we should go beyond just the pimp...

 
I am not a criminal guy - maybe some of the others can chime in - but I don't think Epstein's death gives the investigators a free run at Epstein's property - in fact, given his death effectively closes the criminal case against Epstein - I think that the FBI would have to be investigating others just to keep looking at the evidence they have collected.

 
Misfit said:
Why would he?
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Well he worked for the firm that represented Epstein.

And his father hired Epstein years ago.

Just think there are some connections that make the appearance less than objective.

Id guess normal AG's would likely recuse to keep everything looking ok...but this doesn't seem like a normal AG IMO.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I am not a criminal guy - maybe some of the others can chime in - but I don't think Epstein's death gives the investigators a free run at Epstein's property - in fact, given his death effectively closes the criminal case against Epstein - I think that the FBI would have to be investigating others just to keep looking at the evidence they have collected.
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They almost certainly have an open investigation into the other people involved, who were raping kids. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
The internet today trying to decide if mocking this as a "suicide" is good or bad for their side. 

https://imgur.com/a/Iyrxxxl
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Nobody should be looking at this in terms of “sides”. There were very prominent people on all sides that were wrapped up in this and we should all be rooting for the full truth to come out and everyone guilty to be punished accordingly.

people thinking this is a R or D thing are sadly so deep into their own tribe I don’t know if there is much to do to reach them.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I am not a criminal guy - maybe some of the others can chime in - but I don't think Epstein's death gives the investigators a free run at Epstein's property - in fact, given his death effectively closes the criminal case against Epstein - I think that the FBI would have to be investigating others just to keep looking at the evidence they have collected.
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given that this most recent investigation was from the public corruption unit, it may very well be that they are already investigating others

 
Henry Ford said:
You don’t keep people on suicide watch forever. He likely decided to fool them into thinking he didn’t need to be watched anymore. 

Suicide watch is for the irrationally despondent, generally.  This was a rational "suicide". 
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Fixed up the grammar here.

Henry Ford said:
Can we all just take a deep breath and come together for a second and be a little glad this guy is dead? Just a tiny bit?
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After all those that participated were held accountable, sure.  Now, not so much.

 
I like how the Clintons have spent decades running a shadowy crime cabal with a global body count but couldn’t quite get her elected president I mean how embarrassing for them.  

 
Sand said:
Fixed up the grammar here.

After all those that participated were held accountable, sure.  Now, not so much.
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I don’t see what you changed in my grammar. Also please don’t change what’s in my quotes, it’s bad form and not allowed on the board.  Feel free to say something like “you mean ‘suicide’” in response instead  

Also, him dying is not likely going to have any effect on others being held accountable. 

 
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bagger said:
people thinking this is a R or D thing are sadly so deep into their own tribe I don’t know if there is much to do to reach them.
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It would be nice if it wasn't an R or D thing. That hasn't been reality that I've seen today. I haven't read this thread but most of my feeds are Clinton Body Count vs Epstein is Trumps BFF. Oh well. 

 
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Joe Bryant said:
It would be nice if it wasn't an R or D thing. That hasn't been reality that I've seen today. I haven't read this thread but most of my feeds are Clinton Body Count vs Epstein is Trumps BFF. Oh well. 
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I think this thread has, with an exception or two, been really good. I'm surprised as heck. I think everybody here wanted justice and to know who was in on this. Very little infighting and what little there has been has been taken care of pretty quickly by all parties, even those so inclined to cast aspersions or blame.  

eta* at least how I view it

 
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Henry Ford said:
He almost certainly has tapes for blackmail.  Now there’s no evidentiary issue with finding and viewing them. 
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Wasn't it posited repeatedly that given his "pedigree," that he likely had blackmail stuff? My contention, though, is that he might have been smart enough to where it's all circumstantial, but not enough for him to be criminally responsible for anything.

Sociopaths can be rather meticulous and cautious with respect to illegality, according to layman's and other articles and profiles of them that I'm familiar with.

 
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bagger said:
Nobody should be looking at this in terms of “sides”. There were very prominent people on all sides that were wrapped up in this and we should all be rooting for the full truth to come out and everyone guilty to be punished accordingly.

people thinking this is a R or D thing are sadly so deep into their own tribe I don’t know if there is much to do to reach them.
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That is the terrible thing about this.  Instead of finding out the full story we will end up getting 2 or 3 years of "Did Donald Trump order the murder" or "Did Bill Clinton order the murder".  Meanwhile the people were attacked and used by this scumbag won't even get thought of.   

 
rockaction said:
Wasn't it posited repeatedly that given his "pedigree," that he likely had blackmail stuff? My contention, though, is that he might have been smart enough to where it's all circumstantial, but not enough for him to be criminally responsible for anything.

Sociopaths can be rather meticulous and cautious with respect to illegality, according to layman's and other articles and profiles of them that I'm familiar with.
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The feds found a stash of child porn in his safe.  He wasn’t that concerned with his documents being legal. 

 
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