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On ‎8‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 7:50 AM, Henry Ford said:

An NDA can cover any information at all. Epstein likely would have had his “employees” sign NDAs related to his travel, identities of people at his parties, activities that happened there, etc. Much of it would have been arguably reasonable; heck, I sign a confidentiality agreement before every mediation not to disclose anything discussed there. 

Like the one with that one guy who did that thing and it hurt the economic prospects of that other guy and then the whole thing was resolved by agreeing to handle in that one way as opposed to the other?

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8 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

The truth about jail is - people don't want to know the truth about jail.

People assume that what happens in jail is simply a by-product of someone breaking the law.  The reality is - we love to lock people up, but we hate having to properly take care of them.  I think that says more about us - as a society - as it does about the convicts.

The most obvious answer is usually the right answer.

We treat prisoners like #### in this country. We don't care about their well-being and don't look after them. Indeed - we even think its funny. How common are prison rape jokes in our society? We think its funny that people get raped in prison. That's completely ####ed.

Anyway - back to my (and Sinn Fein's) - point. Likely the prison just didn't want to spend the money and effort to put him on suicide watch and the guards didn't particularly care.

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31 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Per the Washington Post. But whatever you do don't read the WaPo account of this.

I’d read Bezos Post articles a lot more if they weren’t behind a paywall.  But democracy dies in darkness or whatever 

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13 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

I’d read Bezos Post articles a lot more if they weren’t behind a paywall.  But democracy dies in darkness or whatever 

I'd read the NYT if I didn't immediately use my quota for the month in like two days.

:shrugs:

That also doesn't mean I don't think there isn't bias and bad framing there.

17 minutes ago, whoknew said:

We think its funny that people get raped in prison. That's completely ####ed.

I've watched really emotionally tough men cry over their time in prison. It involves subjugation and domination. It's not funny, not the least ounce rehabilitative.

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30 minutes ago, whoknew said:

The most obvious answer is usually the right answer.

We treat prisoners like #### in this country. We don't care about their well-being and don't look after them. Indeed - we even think its funny. How common are prison rape jokes in our society? We think its funny that people get raped in prison. That's completely ####ed.

Anyway - back to my (and Sinn Fein's) - point. Likely the prison just didn't want to spend the money and effort to put him on suicide watch and the guards didn't particularly care.

I admit I used to feel this way. Thankfully @krista4 set me straight many years ago. 

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14 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

The best part was: 

• Was Epstein murdered? Maybe.

• Did higher-ups order that he be taken off solitary in hopes he’d kill himself? Maybe.

• Did rank and file turn a blind eye to a detested sex offender? Maybe.

But is it possible this was just a predictable routine failure? Yes.

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23 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Yes.  This.

 

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But it is essential to start NOT from the position of “how could this ever have happened?!”

The right starting point is: “this is the sort of thing that is COMPLETELY predictable and almost expected.”

 

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1 hour ago, jomar said:

many people are saying this.  many stupid people, but many people just the same

Probably the best people 

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1 hour ago, jomar said:

many people are saying this.  many stupid people, but many people just the same

Yeah, but is it being shared wildly on Facebook?

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Thinking back to the Joe Pesci character in Casino.  "Its always better when there are no witnesses." 

Then there is Michael Corleone in the Godfather II, "If history has taught us anything its that you can have anybody killed."

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2 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Thinking back to the Joe Pesci character in Casino.  "Its always better when there are no witnesses." 

Then there is Michael Corleone in the Godfather II, "If history has taught us anything its that you can have anybody killed."

Um, you're not helping with your whole no alibi sitch. 

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3 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Um, you're not helping with your whole no alibi sitch. 

And after the July 25th discussion in this very thread about how to tie a noose I googled that subject matter so it is in my history.  I must be the world's worse criminal/hitman.

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1 hour ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Like the one with that one guy who did that thing and it hurt the economic prospects of that other guy and then the whole thing was resolved by agreeing to handle in that one way as opposed to the other?

Shhh.  It's confidential. 

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1 minute ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Nope, think the third state of matter.

Ah.  Spent the evening eating tacos?

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2 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

The truth about jail is - people don't want to know the truth about jail.

People assume that what happens in jail is simply a by-product of someone breaking the law.  The reality is - we love to lock people up, but we hate having to properly take care of them.  I think that says more about us - as a society - as it does about the convicts.

thanks, dostoevsky.

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2 hours ago, ren hoek said:

I’d read Bezos Post articles a lot more if they weren’t behind a paywall.  But democracy dies in darkness or whatever 

 

2 hours ago, rockaction said:

I'd read the NYT if I didn't immediately use my quota for the month in like two days.

:shrugs:

That also doesn't mean I don't think there isn't bias and bad framing there.

I've watched really emotionally tough men cry over their time in prison. It involves subjugation and domination. It's not funny, not the least ounce rehabilitative.

FTR, digital sub for wapo currently $4/month.  nyt currently $8/month.

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1 minute ago, Long Ball Larry said:

FTR, digital sub for wapo currently $4/month.  nyt currently $8/month.

NYT for a hundred a year and WaPo at fifty is a bit too much for me, honestly. I'd rather spend it elsewhere.

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Was on Twitter commenting today, and I’m nobody, insignificant, so not a threat to anyone... but for the first time I felt worried that I was speaking publicly about my disdain for this administration. For me personally, I hit a tipping point whereby I have such deep distrust I no longer feel completely free to express my thoughts about the government without a tinge of fear. 

How long before it’s not safe to be critical? Maybe when a couple of major Twitter critics die?

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18 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

FTR, digital sub for wapo currently $4/month.  nyt currently $8/month.

WaPo and NYT are each currently $4 every four weeks.

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6 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

How much is that per month?

Depends on the month.

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3 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

I can’t get on board with this, simply because after a failed previous attempt, and the high profile nature of the case, any competent AG (and reporting chain) would have documented efforts to ensure Epstein made it through trial. This is the expected, rational behavior. “This is Bill Barr. I want to personally understand the efforts that will be taken, ensure every step will be taken, and follow up to ensure the victims get justice.” Anything short would be a massive failure by Barr. The fact this wasn’t done is all too predictable, as to enhance the overall “you’ve got to be kidding me!” reaction to the news. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

$4 / 28 * 30 = $4.29.

$4.33 is closer than $4.29.

The more precise figure in a non-leap year would be $4/billing period * (365 days/year) / (28days/billing period) / 12 months/year = $4.345 per month.

That's the average monthly cost over the long run. If you subscribe for just one month, it would be $8 (except in February, when it would be $4).

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3 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

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13. So:
• Was Epstein murdered? Maybe.
• Did higher-ups order that he be taken off solitary in hopes he’d kill himself? Maybe.
• Did rank and file turn a blind eye to a detested sex offender? Maybe.
But is it possible this was just a predictable routine failure? Yes.

 

Its all the "maybes" that create the conspiracy theory breeding ground.  

 

It may just be me - but I currently have zero confidence that a DOJ led by Bill Barr will undertake a neutral-investigation here.  Barr has shown himself to be way too partisan in a case that permeates on both sides of the aisle.

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2 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

$4.33 is closer than $4.29.

The more precise figure in a non-leap year would be $4/billing period * (365 days/year) / (28days/billing period) / 12 months/year = $4.345 per month.

That's the average cost over the course of a full year. If you subscribe for just one month, it would be $8 (except in February, when it would be $4).

You said it was $4 every four weeks.  Four weeks is twenty-eight days.  Do they bill you monthly or every four weeks?

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

You said it was $4 every four weeks.  Four weeks is twenty-eight days.  Do they bill you monthly or every four weeks?

It gives you two options:

$4 every 4 weeks (for the first year, $10 every 4 weeks after the first year)

$40 for a year (for the first year, $100/year after the first year)

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1 hour ago, Mr. Ham said:

I can’t get on board with this, simply because after a failed previous attempt, and the high profile nature of the case, any competent AG (and reporting chain) would have documented efforts to ensure Epstein made it through trial.

Somebody linked to another twitter thread earlier explaining why you can't put someone on strict suicide watch for months on end. If you do that, the person would end up not being mentally competent to stand trial. Suicide watch includes sleep deprivation (lights always on), being watched always (feeds into paranoia), etc., which over the long term is not sustainable.

Maybe he was taken off of suicide watch too early. But keeping him on suicide watch all the way through a trial a year away would not have been doable.

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Just now, Sinn Fein said:

It gives you two options:

$4 every 4 weeks (for the first year, $10 every 4 weeks after the first year)

$40 for a year (for the first year, $100/year after the first year)

Oh, I see.  $4 every four weeks for a year.  That's just weird.  There aren't an even number of weeks in a year.

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4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

You said it was $4 every four weeks.  Four weeks is twenty-eight days.  Do they bill you monthly or every four weeks?

I get billed every four weeks, so there are about 13 billing periods per year. Hence my initial calculation of $4 * 13 billing periods / 12 months = $4.33 per month.

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Just now, Maurile Tremblay said:

I get billed every four weeks, so there are about 13 billing periods per year. Hence my initial calculation of $4 * 13 billing periods / 12 months = $4.33 per month.

That's a weird word to use when making calculations to the penny.

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47 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

WaPo and NYT are each currently $4 every four weeks.

I am not seeing NYT for $4 - you must have gotten that on sale.

Right now - I see basic for $8 every 4 weeks.

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

That's a weird word to use when making calculations to the penny.

I don't think it's weird. If I ask people how many weeks there are in a year, most would say 52 rather than 52.14285714. That gives us 13 billing periods rather than 13.03571428, which seems close enough.

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5 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I am not seeing NYT for $4 - you must have gotten that on sale.

Right now - I see basic for $8 every 4 weeks.

Possibly. But I didn't have a coupon or anything. That's just what they offered when I went to their site.

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1 minute ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Possibly. But I didn't have a coupon or anything. That's just what they offered when I went to their site.

The secret double-probation rate.

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4 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

I don't think it's weird. If I ask people how many weeks there are in a year, most would say 52 rather than 52.14285714. That gives us 13 billing periods rather than 13.03571428, which seems close enough.

It is unless you're telling someone your answer that is four cents different is better than his. 

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22 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

 

It may just be me - but I currently have zero confidence that a DOJ led by Bill Barr will undertake a neutral-investigation here.  Barr has shown himself to be way too partisan in a case that permeates on both sides of the aisle.

So to be clear... you dont think an investigation will take place? Or one will happen, it just wont be neutral?

 

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