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Epstein's lawyers are hiring lawyers.  What is the reason for that?

 

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1 hour ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

WaPo and NYT are each currently $4 every four weeks.

well then my NYT daily briefing emails are trying to rip me off.

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3 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Epstein's lawyers are hiring lawyers.  What is the reason for that?

 

Probably afraid they'll be investigated for helping him do whatever horrible things he was doing with/for his money.

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38 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Epstein's lawyers are hiring lawyers.  What is the reason for that?

Could be that either:

a) they helped Epstein kill himself

b) they believe DOJ is going to accuse them of helping Epstein kill himself.

ETA:  or what Henry said -- they're Better Call Sauled into this thing.

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Just now, Max Power said:

So to be clear... you dont think an investigation will take place? Or one will happen, it just wont be neutral?

 

I am not sure - I suppose I believe there will be a cursory investigation.  

 

I don't believe that anyone in power is really interested in exposing a network of powerful men (and women) who have conspired with Epstein to traffic young women for sexual assaults.  I think this whole story came back to light on the basis of a dogged investigative reporter in Miami - not stellar investigative work by the DOJ or state law enforcement agencies.

 

For a man of Epstein's connections and wealth - I have not seen any evidence that would make me believe he had given up hope of beating these charges.

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

Probably afraid they'll be investigated for helping him do whatever horrible things he was doing with/for his money.

Would they be liable for anything though? Criminal or civil?

I'm just not connecting the dots. Does this mean they have something to hid potentially or is this a normal thing?

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3 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Would they be liable for anything though? Criminal or civil?

I'm just not connecting the dots. Does this mean they have something to hid potentially or is this a normal thing?

I would say that you can't tell by whether or not someone hires a lawyer whether or not he committed a crime.

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3 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I am not sure - I suppose I believe there will be a cursory investigation.  

 

I don't believe that anyone in power is really interested in exposing a network of powerful men (and women) who have conspired with Epstein to traffic young women for sexual assaults.  I think this whole story came back to light on the basis of a dogged investigative reporter in Miami - not stellar investigative work by the DOJ or state law enforcement agencies.

 

For a man of Epstein's connections and wealth - I have not seen any evidence that would make me believe he had given up hope of beating these charges.

I think Barr will follow through on this one. Too many eyes on it and they still have 1 million pages of documents related to the case. 

What they decide about his suicide/murder, is anyone's guess at this point. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you dont. 

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Wouldn't matter if it was 2 cents a year- I wouldn't give either of them a penny after their work on the TrumpRussia scam.  But the little arithmetic fight is pretty hysterical.  Glad I'm not the only dork on this board.  

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40 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:
43 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

You said it was $4 every four weeks.  Four weeks is twenty-eight days.  Do they bill you monthly or every four weeks?

It gives you two options:

$4 every 4 weeks (for the first year, $10 every 4 weeks after the first year)

$40 for a year (for the first year, $100/year after the first year)

I believe I was paying $69.99 per year and then it auto-renewed at over $200.  I contacted them as soon as I saw it on my statement and they would only credit me for 11 months.  Like their reporting, hate whomever hosed me. FWIW

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

I think Barr will follow through on this one. Too many eyes on it and they still have 1 million pages of documents related to the case. 

What they decide about his suicide/murder, is anyone's guess at this point. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you dont. 

Barr's dad hired Epstein to teach young girls - I don't think he has a vested interest in digging too deep into this investigation.

Just look at this thread, and the number of people who were "glad" he was dead.  I think that is generally the feeling around the country.

 

Now, look at the allegations surrounding Epstein.  People are happy he is dead, so nobody really wants to dig deeper into who Epstein was conspiring with - and lets face it, its highly unlikely that this was a solo fascination for Epstein.  When rich and powerful people want things buried - it takes a strong man(woman) to stand up to that pressure.  I don't think Barr is that kind of person.

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16 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

For a man of Epstein's connections and wealth - I have not seen any evidence that would make me believe he had given up hope of beating these charges.

 

4 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Now, look at the allegations surrounding Epstein.  People are happy he is dead, so nobody really wants to dig deeper into who Epstein was conspiring with - and lets face it, its highly unlikely that this was a solo fascination for Epstein.  When rich and powerful people want things buried - it takes a strong man(woman) to stand up to that pressure.  I don't think Barr is that kind of person.

All one needs to do is look through the names in his Rolodex to understand there are people associated with him that were never going to let this go to trial. Call it a conspiracy if you like but it's pretty simple A+B=C to me. And to be honest, I don't think Trump or Clinton had anything to do with it. My bet is on the Royal's involved, they are some deviant ####ers across the pond.

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35 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Epstein's lawyers are hiring lawyers.  What is the reason for that?

Dirty hands in the NPA I take it.

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22 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Wouldn't matter if it was 2 cents a year- I wouldn't give either of them a penny after their work on the TrumpRussia scam.  But the little arithmetic fight is pretty hysterical.  Glad I'm not the only dork on this board.  

Lol man I’m not selling subscriptions, I was just pointing out how Trump supporters who abhor NYT, WaPo, LA Times etc, rely on right wing blogs that totally rely on those publications for their claims.

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26 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Wouldn't matter if it was 2 cents a year- I wouldn't give either of them a penny after their work on the TrumpRussia scam.  

The New York Times is no electronicintifada.com, that's for sure.

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3 hours ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

And after the July 25th discussion in this very thread about how to tie a noose I googled that subject matter so it is in my history.  I must be the world's worse criminal/hitman.

Well, Ditkaless Wonders, or DW, has plenty of significance. The letter D is the 4th letter of the alphabet, and W, the 23rd, 2+3=5, so DW=45, or trump, sooooooo........

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1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

$4.29

DO YOU HAVE A PROMO CODE?

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The most important thing I've learned from this thread is that the NYT is ripping me off on my digital subscription.  I think I pay $15/month.  WTH?

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Waiting until a leap year to get wapo. 

Seems like the best deal. 

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I see that the FBI finally got around to raiding Little St. James.

I wonder if there is anything left to see.

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1 hour ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Somebody linked to another twitter thread earlier explaining why you can't put someone on strict suicide watch for months on end. If you do that, the person would end up not being mentally competent to stand trial. Suicide watch includes sleep deprivation (lights always on), being watched always (feeds into paranoia), etc., which over the long term is not sustainable.

Maybe he was taken off of suicide watch too early. But keeping him on suicide watch all the way through a trial a year away would not have been doable.

Cellmate at all times and suicide prevention smock. Done. 

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56 minutes ago, krista4 said:

The most important thing I've learned from this thread is that the NYT is ripping me off on my digital subscription.  I think I pay $15/month.  WTH?

It's more expensive wiring it to the west coast.

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1 hour ago, Sinn Fein said:

Barr's dad hired Epstein to teach young girls - I don't think he has a vested interest in digging too deep into this investigation.

Just look at this thread, and the number of people who were "glad" he was dead.  I think that is generally the feeling around the country.

 

Now, look at the allegations surrounding Epstein.  People are happy he is dead, so nobody really wants to dig deeper into who Epstein was conspiring with - and lets face it, its highly unlikely that this was a solo fascination for Epstein.  When rich and powerful people want things buried - it takes a strong man(woman) to stand up to that pressure.  I don't think Barr is that kind of person.

If - and it's a big if - there's some dirty dealings going on with respect to high level US government officials, current or former, and any of them had anything to do with JE's death, Barr's current attitude is EXACTLY how they would operate to continue the cover-up. Control the narrative, control the "investigation." Blame and implicate as needed. 

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38 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Clap. Clap. Clap.

Great timing guys.

Probably a lot easier to do when the dude is dead :shrug:

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42 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I see that the FBI finally got around to raiding Little St. James.

I wonder if there is anything left to see.

[A team of FBI agents bursts through the door of the sex temple.  The room is empty except for a single individual sitting in a chair with his back to the agents.  The chair swivels around to reveal that the man is Bill Clinton.  His shoulders rest on the armrest, fingers bridged.]

CLINTON: Welcome to my island, gentlemen.  I've been expecting you.

 

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1 hour ago, krista4 said:

The most important thing I've learned from this thread is that the NYT is ripping me off on my digital subscription.  I think I pay $15/month.  WTH?

Tell me about it. Have fun trying to cancel. Easier getting out of Scientology. 

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38 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

[A team of FBI agents bursts through the door of the sex temple.  The room is empty except for a single individual sitting in a chair with his back to the agents.  The chair swivels around to reveal that the man is Bill Clinton.  His shoulders rest on the armrest, fingers bridged.]

CLINTON: Welcome to my island, gentlemen.  I've been expecting you.

 

FBI AGENT: Do you expect me to look the other way, to ignore all those lives you took?

CLINTON: No, Agent Strzok...I expect you to die.

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9 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Who was the warden of this place?  This happened on their watch, so they should be held responsible.

You kidding? They prolly got a fat stack of cash for the job going down without a hitch.

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21 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

You kidding? They prolly got a fat stack of cash for the job going down without a hitch.

He was probably a former head of security for a Trump casino.

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1 hour ago, beer 30 said:

Probably a lot easier to do when the dude is dead :shrug:

It would have been a lot lot easier in 2007-08 when they had him in custody and victims were on the island and at his homes.

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On 7/10/2019 at 2:53 PM, Biff84 said:
On 7/10/2019 at 2:41 PM, stlrams said:

Its related to Epstein since he took plane trips with him.. 

Trump is on the logs too and has an accuser they tied him to Epstein. That accuser also had two witnesses who backed her up.

If you’re basing Trump’s innocence on not being on the flight logs, maybe you should ask why Trump might not have needed to fly with him. The official allegations against Epstein have been in two cities, which also happen to be the two cities where Trump also has residences. He wouldn’t need Epstein’s plane to get to his residences. And if did, Trump also owns his own plane. There’s very little reason for Trump to ride on Epstein’s plane.

Just to clarify on this, apparently yes Trump is on the flight logs.

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Meh - being on the plane is not really incriminating.

 

####### young girls - that is incriminating.  

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3 hours ago, krista4 said:

The most important thing I've learned from this thread is that the NYT is ripping me off on my digital subscription.  I think I pay $15/month.  WTH?

There's probably a legion of kids on bikes bringing papers to all your old driveways.  

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7 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Meh - being on the plane is not really incriminating.

####### young girls - that is incriminating.  

Oh I agree, but in general it sounds like Epstein's habits were pretty widely known amongst that set.

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26 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Oh I agree, but in general it sounds like Epstein's habits were pretty widely known amongst that set.

I think that's the thing most are overlooking.  People seem only interested in the idea that some of these people of power (Trump/Clinton) engaged in sexual acts with these children.  Does it really make people think better of all of these people if they didn't engage in sex....but only knew about it and ignored it; thus ignoring these situation these children were in?

 

ETA: I have to imagine there's some kind of  Good Samaritan laws in regards to minors/sex trafficking/child endangerment  that, if knowing that this was going on.....these power brokers should get nailed for.

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52 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Meh - being on the plane is not really incriminating.

 

####### young girls - that is incriminating.  

It would look worse for Trump if the plane had gone to Pedo Island.  That's not saying Trump couldn't have been there, but it doesn't sound like anyone has any evidence of it.

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12 minutes ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

It would look worse for Trump if the plane had gone to Pedo Island.  That's not saying Trump couldn't have been there, but it doesn't sound like anyone has any evidence of it.

The only point about that was the claim Trump supporters seem to make about Clinton on the plane but not Trump. Trump went on the plane too.

The knock on Trump really is about some of the girls being recruited at Maralago and his letting Epstein be on the property even though he wasn’t a member.

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6 hours ago, Mr. Ham said:

Was on Twitter commenting today, and I’m nobody, insignificant, so not a threat to anyone... but for the first time I felt worried that I was speaking publicly about my disdain for this administration. For me personally, I hit a tipping point whereby I have such deep distrust I no longer feel completely free to express my thoughts about the government without a tinge of fear. 

How long before it’s not safe to be critical? Maybe when a couple of major Twitter critics die?

You’re joking, right ?

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12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The only point about that was the claim Trump supporters seem to make about Clinton on the plane but not Trump. Trump went on the plane too.

The knock on Trump really is about some of the girls being recruited at Maralago and his letting Epstein be on the property even though he wasn’t a member.

He probably just paid $29.99 for a day guest pass to have access to the pool and the locker rooms.

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I'm sure the FBI is out there destroying all the evidence. It's a real pro unit at looking the other way.

Keep on keeping on. 

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And the story keeps changing. First it was tired guards on excessive overtime. Now one of the guards wasnt actually a guard and was just a stand in. 

So next up... we taped over the other tapes that were recording the outside of the cell.

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8 minutes ago, Max Power said:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-said-he-had-dirt-on-tech-oligarchs-report

So if Epstein had dirt on big tech guys, someone had to teleport into that cell. Maybe they froze time, but I not sure how crazy I want to go with this. 

Source: NYTimes.

 Actually what ticks me off about this is a reporter like this doing pleasant visits and dinner at Epstein’s while reporters like Julie Brown were doing real public service.

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>>It seemed clear Mr. Epstein had embellished his role in the Tesla situation to enhance his own importance and gain attention — something that now seems to have been a pattern.

About a week after that interview, Mr. Epstein called and asked if I’d like to have dinner that Saturday with him and Woody Allen. I said I’d be out of town. A few weeks after that, he asked me to join him for dinner with the author Michael Wolff and Donald J. Trump’s former adviser, Steve Bannon. I declined. (I don’t know if these dinners actually happened. Mr. Bannon has said he didn’t attend. Mr. Wolff and a spokeswoman for Mr. Allen didn’t respond to requests for comment on Monday.)

Several months passed. Then early this year Mr. Epstein called to ask if I’d be interested in writing his biography. He sounded almost plaintive. I sensed that what he really wanted was companionship. As his biographer, I’d have no choice but to spend hours listening to his saga. Already leery of any further ties to him, I was relieved I could say that I was already busy with another book.<<

- Meanwhile, Julie Brown was talking to victims.

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