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Jeffrey Epstein: there is definitely nothing to see here folks, I am feeling very sleepy, I think I'll take a nice nap.

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1 hour ago, Megla said:

just between us, our current judicial system requires a bit more than "think" and "probably"

I’ll put you down as a “yes”...

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9 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

Just because somebody points out that most of these guys involved with Epstein are Democrats and Epstein was a huge Democrat fundraiser doesn’t mean you want any less justice.

This came out hours before Epstein died-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/456923-epstein-accuser-named-former-governor-senator-in-testimony-prosecutors%3famp

Most of these guys involved with Epstein appear to be foreign nationals - Prince Andrew, Jean-Luc Brunel, Vanessa Von Bismarck and her husband Max Weiner, Nicolas Berggruen.  It's a who's who of the international jet set.

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19 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

In reading article they make of just one flight log so it appears Trump on there once and Clinton 20 something times if I remember correctly. . 

 

Can't they both be pieces of #### who obviously knew what he was into?

 

 

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Can't they both be pieces of #### who obviously knew what he was into?

 

 

And even if they didn't know about the underage girls, every single person who hung out with that guy had to know he was a scumbag who exploits women, even if they didn't know he did it to girls.

It should be disqualifying from public office on so many levels for anyone heavily involved with him.

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In the 80s and 90s, sexual harassment and sexual exploitation of women were incredibly pervasive - today is really bad, then was abhorrent.  But that's one of many reasons we need to start electing people who weren't full fledged adults then and didn't live in that culture.  We need to institute an "under 50" rule for new elected officials for a while.

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57 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Summaries of the content, or the actual evidence? If the actual evidence of sexual crimes against specific minors gets leaked, the leaker should be put in prison.

Agree 100%

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40 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

Just because somebody points out that most of these guys involved with Epstein are Democrats and Epstein was a huge Democrat fundraiser doesn’t mean you want any less justice.

This came out hours before Epstein died-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/456923-epstein-accuser-named-former-governor-senator-in-testimony-prosecutors%3famp

My point was that regardless of political affiliation they should be prosecuted.

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25 minutes ago, Hov34 said:

 

Can't they both be pieces of #### who obviously knew what he was into?

 

 

Absolutely.  Knowing is one thing but actually doing is a big problem.

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7 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

In the 80s and 90s, sexual harassment and sexual exploitation of women were incredibly pervasive - today is really bad, then was abhorrent.  But that's one of many reasons we need to start electing people who weren't full fledged adults then and didn't live in that culture.  We need to institute an "under 50" rule for new elected officials for a while.

This is why any time any of the Bernie people hit me up for money I tell them that I'm done with old white guys.

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29 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

In the 80s and 90s, sexual harassment and sexual exploitation of women were incredibly pervasive - today is really bad, then was abhorrent.  But that's one of many reasons we need to start electing people who weren't full fledged adults then and didn't live in that culture.  We need to institute an "under 50" rule for new elected officials for a while.

Perfect. We can all talk to the cell phonez that will be in front of their faces at all times.

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45 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

In the 80s and 90s, sexual harassment and sexual exploitation of women were incredibly pervasive - today is really bad, then was abhorrent.  But that's one of many reasons we need to start electing people who weren't full fledged adults then and didn't live in that culture.  We need to institute an "under 50" rule for new elected officials for a while.

So a Biden-Bernie ticket is out of the question?  Got almost 160 years of life experience.  Looks like it is Mayor Pete.

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You cant figure Trump I know.

But only reason for him to go near this story is if their are real skeletons in the closet.

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1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

In the 80s and 90s, sexual harassment and sexual exploitation of women were incredibly pervasive - today is really bad, then was abhorrent.  But that's one of many reasons we need to start electing people who weren't full fledged adults then and didn't live in that culture.  We need to institute an "under 50" rule for new elected officials for a while.

Sexual assault was celebrated in film in the 80’s.  See:  Porky’s.  

Which is why I’d bet my mortgage that Kavanaugh really doesn’t think “boofing” was a term for farting.  And he clearly knew the “Devil’s Triangle” wasn’t a drinking game. 

But lying under oath is cool if you’re going to be a SCJ, so no biggie.  

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6 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

You cant figure Trump I know.

But only reason for him to go near this story is if their are real skeletons in the closet.

 

Agree 100%. Especially now that Barr has his very public marching orders. 

Seems to me JE was, among other things and based on his wide circle of influence, a bridge for any amount of activities or information the elite concerned themselves with. It seems like he could be bought with underage women/girls as much as he dealt in them. 

There's a certain amount of morbid romanticism associated with the activities of the elite, and Trump is as much obsessed with this notion as anyone I've ever payed attention to. I can honestly see Trump's relatively innocent association - Trump's stance although I'm not sure I believe him - with someone like JE being the path to nailing him with something very serious indeed. 

With the kind of power Trump has amassed, though, I'm not sure we'll ever know. 

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1 hour ago, The Z Machine said:

This is why any time any of the Bernie people hit me up for money I tell them that I'm done with old white guys.

I'd prefer Warren but think Bernie has a better shot at beating Trump.

I think a Bernie/Warren ticket gets enough white suburban women.  Game over.

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10 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Sexual assault was celebrated in film in the 80’s.  See:  Porky’s.  

Which is why I’d bet my mortgage that Kavanaugh really doesn’t think “boofing” was a term for farting.  And he clearly knew the “Devil’s Triangle” wasn’t a drinking game. 

But lying under oath is cool if you’re going to be a SCJ, so no biggie.  

I'm a year younger than him, watched this movie multiple times and I have no idea what either of those things are

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8 minutes ago, Megla said:

I'm a year younger than him, watched this movie multiple times and I have no idea what either of those things are

Do you think you would if you wrote them in your yearbook?

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4 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Do you think you would if you wrote them in your yearbook?

I have no idea what I wrote in my yearbook, but yes, that would make me wonder

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What say you, William Barr? :popcorn:

Sasse calls on DOJ to 'rip up' Epstein nonprosecution deal to bring 'co-conspirators to justice'

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) on Tuesday urged Attorney General William Barrto "rip up" a 2008 nonprosecution deal for disgraced financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, arguing that the Justice Department must bring his co-conspirators to justice in wake of his death. 

"The victims of Epstein’s international sex trafficking ring deserve justice," Sasse, who is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary oversight subcommittee, wrote in a letter to Barr on Tuesday.

"In order to bring Epstein’s co-conspirators to justice, the Department of Justice should rip up the non-prosecution, non-investigation agreement entered into by Epstein and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Florida in 2008," he continued.

 

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1 hour ago, Da Guru said:

So a Biden-Bernie ticket is out of the question?  Got almost 160 years of life experience.  Looks like it is Mayor Pete.

I am a mayor Pete fan.

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1 hour ago, Da Guru said:

So a Biden-Bernie ticket is out of the question?  Got almost 160 years of life experience.  Looks like it is Mayor Pete.

There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

Now get off my lawn

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7 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I am a mayor Pete fan.

How about a Bernie/Pete ticket? 

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2 minutes ago, Dondante said:

How about a Bernie/Pete ticket? 

I'd vote for it over Trump/Pence.  It's not what I'm hoping for.

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2 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

In the 80s and 90s, sexual harassment and sexual exploitation of women were incredibly pervasive - today is really bad, then was abhorrent.  But that's one of many reasons we need to start electing people who weren't full fledged adults then and didn't live in that culture.  We need to institute an "under 50" rule for new elected officials for a while.

Given to hyperbole much?

1 hour ago, Megla said:

I'm a year younger than him, watched this movie multiple times and I have no idea what either of those things are

I'm a child of the 80's, same age as Kavanaugh, never heard of either term.

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1 minute ago, beer 30 said:

Given to hyperbole much?

Not generally, but I do enjoy a bit of wry humor at the end of an opinion I post.

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6 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

What say you, William Barr? :popcorn:

Sasse calls on DOJ to 'rip up' Epstein nonprosecution deal to bring 'co-conspirators to justice'

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) on Tuesday urged Attorney General William Barrto "rip up" a 2008 nonprosecution deal for disgraced financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, arguing that the Justice Department must bring his co-conspirators to justice in wake of his death. 

"The victims of Epstein’s international sex trafficking ring deserve justice," Sasse, who is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary oversight subcommittee, wrote in a letter to Barr on Tuesday.

"In order to bring Epstein’s co-conspirators to justice, the Department of Justice should rip up the non-prosecution, non-investigation agreement entered into by Epstein and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Florida in 2008," he continued.

 

I spent a number of hours over the  years reading and researching the political scandals that flowed from the Reagan Administration to the GHWBush Administration, and two major nicknames follow Barr around those years: spear-catcher and Cover-Up General. Barr orchestrated the effort to squash the appointment of a special prosecutor in what was called Iraqgate. And Barr convinced GHWB to go through with the Christmas Eve pardons.

Now we have the same man as AG. I don't believe it is a coincidence.

 

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34 minutes ago, Lutherman2112 said:

I spent a number of hours over the  years reading and researching the political scandals that flowed from the Reagan Administration to the GHWBush Administration, and two major nicknames follow Barr around those years: spear-catcher and Cover-Up General. Barr orchestrated the effort to squash the appointment of a special prosecutor in what was called Iraqgate. And Barr convinced GHWB to go through with the Christmas Eve pardons.

Now we have the same man as AG. I don't believe it is a coincidence.

 

Control the narrative, control the "investigation." Blame and implicate as needed.

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1 hour ago, beer 30 said:

Given to hyperbole much?

I'm a child of the 80's, same age as Kavanaugh, never heard of either term.

I still dont know what either term means. 

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Jeffrey Epstein before he died: “The only thing worse than being called a pedophile is being called a hedge fund manager:” 

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10 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I still dont know what either term means. 

I think Kavanaugh was just saying these terms were stupid things his friends made up. He told us what they meant to him and his friends if you believe him.

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1 hour ago, Lutherman2112 said:

I spent a number of hours over the  years reading and researching the political scandals that flowed from the Reagan Administration to the GHWBush Administration, and two major nicknames follow Barr around those years: spear-catcher and Cover-Up General. Barr orchestrated the effort to squash the appointment of a special prosecutor in what was called Iraqgate. And Barr convinced GHWB to go through with the Christmas Eve pardons.

Now we have the same man as AG. I don't believe it is a coincidence.

 

I like many had no idea who this guy was.

Per Wiki,

 Barr worked for the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1970s. He served in the Reagan administration during the 1980s and also worked as a partner at a law firm. Before becoming Attorney General in 1991, Barr was an Assistant Attorney General and a Deputy Attorney General. During his first tenure as Attorney General, Barr "oversaw high-profile investigations into the savings and loan scandal, Manuel Noriega – the corrupt former dictator of Panama convicted in 1992 of racketeering – and the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103".   In a 1992 report entitled The Case for More Incarceration, Barr argued for an increase in the United States incarceration rate; he has been an influential advocate for tougher criminal justice policies.  Following his departure from the Department of Justice, Barr worked for telecommunications companies and engaged in the private practice of law.

After being nominated in December 2018 by President Donald Trump to serve as Attorney General a second time, Barr was confirmed by the U.S. Senate and sworn in as the 85th United States Attorney General on February 14, 2019.

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5 minutes ago, The General said:

I think Kavanaugh was just saying these terms were stupid things his friends made up. He told us what they meant to him and his friends if you believe him.

The lie is what makes it worse. It’s very Trump-like, lying just to lie. Putting those terms in the yearbook does prove his guilt at all. Kids say and do stupid things all the time and high schoolers especially exaggerate their sexual conquests. Lying about it only puts into question everything else he was denying.

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Just now, Biff84 said:

D The lie is what makes it worse. It’s very Trump-like, lying just to lie. Putting those terms in the yearbook does prove his guilt at all. Kids say and do stupid things all the time and high schoolers especially exaggerate their sexual conquests. Lying about it only puts into question everything else he was denying.

I don’t remember the exact way the yearbook stuff was brought up but my memory of it was that he simply said we had these names for farting and quarters and we put them in our yearbook. 

He had to come up with something because he was being asked what these terms meant during one the questioning periods by a senator.

Personally I thought he was lying but I remember at the time thinking there’s no way to know.  

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1 hour ago, Lutherman2112 said:

I spent a number of hours over the  years reading and researching the political scandals that flowed from the Reagan Administration to the GHWBush Administration, and two major nicknames follow Barr around those years: spear-catcher and Cover-Up General. Barr orchestrated the effort to squash the appointment of a special prosecutor in what was called Iraqgate. And Barr convinced GHWB to go through with the Christmas Eve pardons.

Now we have the same man as AG. I don't believe it is a coincidence.

Good article here from late June:

Why Bill Barr Is So Dangerous

>>He is using the office he holds to advance his extraordinary lifetime project of assigning unchecked power to the presidency<<

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Posted (edited)

Just reading through the comments here and in the mainstream blogosphere in the last few days I get the sense that there is a lot of pushback on the idea that the BOP could have done something to stop Epstein's suicide (the system fails everyone everywhere), and also that the case and investigation are more than strong and maybe stronger without his presence. And those arguments have been persuasive.

But that doesn't affect some strong need for questioning what is going on.

  • BOP is under the Trump administration of course. This was incompetence on a massive scale. The budget report just came out and spending, already in extremely high deficit, is 27% over budget, and yet we don't have money to staff and properly administer a jail that holds America' most important witnesses and defendants?
  • Barr or his new Deputy AG Rosen accommodated Paul Manafort's attorneys' request that he be kept at SDNY MCC instead of Rikers. Did a similar request happen with Epstein and his lawyers seeking he be released from suicide watch?
  • Who at BOP is ultimately responsible for this? 'The guards did it' really isn't going to suffice.
  • The guy was arrested in early June. Before that he was arrested and convicted in federal court circa 2007. Yet it took til this week and a couple days after his death to finally raid his island redoubt?
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3 hours ago, Daywalker said:

You cant figure Trump I know.

But only reason for him to go near this story is if their are real skeletons in the closet.

This is a guy who is deeply paranoid and insecure. His panic is never ending and he seems to constantly self-incriminate. The why of that is deeply psychological.

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Who at BOP is ultimately responsible for this? 'The guards did it' really isn't going to suffice.

Well the Warden was re-assigned.

But ultimately - this is on Barr and Congress.

 

We don't want to spend what it takes to adequately house, feed, and supervise the prison population.  Nobody minds when the prisons are short-changed, because ####-em - they are in prison.  But, we need a prison overhaul that extends far beyond who we lock up, or for how long.  We do a pretty crappy job of rehabilitating prisoners by forcing them to live in unsavory conditions.

 

 

(and don't get me started on those local jails where county sheriffs are profiting by keeping (legally) any money they don't spend on food for prisoners).

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52 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Well the Warden was re-assigned.

But ultimately - this is on Barr and Congress.

Hopefully they re-assigned the warden to a juvenile detention center.

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8 minutes ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Hopefully they re-assigned the warden to a juvenile detention center.

If I read correctly - he has basically been reassigned to a desk job at a BOP office.

 

"The warden, Lamine N'diaye, will be moved to a Bureau of Prisons regional office and will be replaced by James Petrucci, the warden of the federal prison in Otisville, New York."

 

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Wasn't checked up on for several hours, now being reported, against protical. Yeah, nothing weird about that.  

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Guys...food for thought.  Back in July of 1963 a 16 year old Bill Clinton shook hands with JFK.  4 months later...

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1 hour ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Guys...food for thought.  Back in July of 1963 a 16 year old Bill Clinton shook hands with JFK.  4 months later...

Ted Cruz' father shot him.

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NYT is reporting that two guards fell asleep for three hours during their shift, and then falsified the check-in log book.

Epstein had not made any kind of attempt since he was discovered a couple of weeks ago, but it seems he realized on Friday night/Saturday morning that no one was doing the required check, and so took advantage of the situation. 

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2 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

NYT is reporting that two guards fell asleep for three hours during their shift, and then falsified the check-in log book.

Epstein had not made any kind of attempt since he was discovered a couple of weeks ago, but it seems he realized on Friday night/Saturday morning that no one was doing the required check, and so took advantage of the situation. 

It only makes sense to have the highest prison population per capita in the world when you can deliver this kind of quality in the prison system. 

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5 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

NYT is reporting that two guards fell asleep for three hours

My buddy who has an HR job told me that falling asleep is one of the only immediately fireable offenses.  You would think this would be on the radar for anyone working a night shift at a prison.  For them to BOTH fall asleep at the same time would be highly unlikely.  I doubt anyone believes this.

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>>>The two staff members who were guarding the jail unit where Jeffrey Epstein apparently killed himself fell asleep and failed to check on him for about three hours, then falsified records to cover up their mistake, according to several law enforcement and prison officials with knowledge of the matter.

Those disclosures came on Tuesday as the two employees were placed on administrative leave and the warden of the jail, the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, was temporarily reassigned, pending the outcome of the investigation into Mr. Epstein’s death, the Justice Department announced. 

The two staff members in the special housing unit where Mr. Epstein was held — 9 South — falsely recorded in a log that they had checked on the financier, who was facing sex trafficking charges, every 30 minutes, as was required, two of the officials said. Such false entries in an official log could constitute a federal crime.

In fact, the two people guarding Mr. Epstein had been asleep for some or all of the three hours, three of the officials said.

...Prison staff discovered Mr. Epstein, 66, dead in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center at 6:30 a.m. on Saturday, officials said. He had apparently hanged himself with a bedsheet, likely fastening the sheet to a top bunk and pitching himself forward, law enforcement and prison officials said.

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He had apparently tried to commit suicide once before, on July 23, shortly after he was denied bail, which resulted in him being placed on suicide watch, prison officials familiar with the incident have said. 

Six days later, prison officials determined that he was no longer a threat to his own life and returned him to a cell in the 9 South housing unit with another inmate, officials said. That inmate was later transferred out of the cell, leaving Mr. Epstein alone on Friday night. 

Though it is standard practice to house people who have recently been taken off suicide watch with another person, the prison did not replace Mr. Epstein’s cellmate.

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Two prison officials familiar with the incident said the two staff members had not looked in on Mr. Epstein for about three hours before he was found. 

One of the staff members was a former correctional officer who had taken a different position at the detention center that did not involve guarding detainees. He had volunteered to work again as a correctional officer for the extra overtime pay, a law enforcement official and an employee at the jail said. 

The second officer, a woman who was assigned to that wing, had been ordered to work overtime because the jail was short staffed.

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Some union leaders for prison workers expressed dismay with Mr. Barr’s decision to allow the warden to continue working, even as the two staff members were placed on leave. 

“It makes me angry that they reassigned the warden,” said Jose Rojas, an official in the prison employees’ union and a teacher at the Coleman prison complex in Sumterville, Fla. “They didn’t put him on administrative leave like the others. The warden made the call to take Epstein off suicide watch and to remove his cellmate. That is egregious.” ... <<<

- NYT

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