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I watch some stupid tv shows but you guys must be into some real doozies to assume a woman in jeans masquerading as a lawyer was having sex in the attorney/client room at a federal prison. 

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

I watch some stupid tv shows but you guys must be into some real doozies to assume a woman in jeans masquerading as a lawyer was having sex in the attorney/client room at a federal prison. 

 Porn? NTTAWWT

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8 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

“Lowest risk”? What does that mean?

It was a foolish stupid post so I’ll stop there. But I meant risk of a story like the one just appearing in Forbes.

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8 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

No, sorry, we can’t send the pretty young woman on the easy assignment. She needs to be locked in the basement doing doc review so people will take her seriously. 

Exactly.

4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I watch some stupid tv shows but you guys must be into some real doozies to assume a woman in jeans masquerading as a lawyer was having sex in the attorney/client room at a federal prison. 

We haven't caught up on terrible reality TV in a while.  I missed the entirety of "Love Island" but think I might need to watch it On Demand.

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23 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Why not? Also, she need not have been a first year, that’s a pretty broad assumption. 

The assumption appears in the article, which I take it was by a lawyer considering what he observed, per Forbes, in the attorney meeting area. I think I took the import to be that Epstein maybe, just maybe could have availed himself of a lapse in protocol as to who actually visited him. Given the record at SDNY MCC and prior events at his So Fla jail it was foolish of me to think that, I'm sure.

Henry, I regret my speculative post based on that subtext. Truly fault is mine. It's Friday, I'm going to go to Oak Street for some drinks and a nice dinner and reflect upon my ill-considered words in response to a report full of insinuations. Hopefully when I return it will be emerged as a reformed man.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It was a foolish stupid post so I’ll stop there. But I meant risk of a story like the one just appearing in Forbes.

I certainly don't intend to pile on, and know your intentions are good.  

When I was working at the firm previously mentioned in this thread and linked to Barr, etc., there was a senior partner who refused to work with female associates because, hey, what if they had to work late together, and what would his wife think of that?  People really wanted to work with him because it was interesting work mostly with a particular big-name client, and getting time with this executive committee partner was highly career-enhancing.  But, of course, he made his work off limits to an entire segment of the associate pool.  (This didn't affect me much personally because I targeted working solely with non-#######s.)

At my first in-house job, I needed to hire outside counsel for a particularly sensitive matter involving our Board of Directors, and my boss (the GC) insisted we had to hire "gray hairs" (his term, which was inclusive only of old white guys) just for appearance, to have the Board take them seriously.

My law school roommate was/is stunningly gorgeous (no pics), and for the first 10-12 years of her career, practically every time she showed up at a deposition, she had to explain she was not the stenographer.

I could go on and on - probably already have! - but these are some of the experiences that make stories like this, or reactions to it, irksome.

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13 minutes ago, krista4 said:

Exactly.

We haven't caught up on terrible reality TV in a while.  I missed the entirety of "Love Island" but think I might need to watch it On Demand.

It isn’t worth it. Sadly. I watched the first two weeks and have no interest.  

Also, the reboot of Temptation Island suuuuucked. 

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The assumption appears in the article, which I take it was by a lawyer considering what he observed, per Forbes, in the attorney meeting area. I think I took the import to be that Epstein maybe, just maybe could have availed himself of a lapse in protocol as to who visited him. Given the record at SDNY MCC it was foolish, I'm sure.

Henry, I regret my speculative post based on that subtext. Truly fault is mine. It's Friday, I'm going to go to Oak Street for some drinks and a nice dinner and reflect upon my ill-considered words in response to a report full of insinuations. Hopefully when I return it will be emerged as a reformed man.

I’m not angry with you, I’m exasperated at the view of the legal system the public has, which isn’t that surprising given our PR as a vocation.

Even that (unbelievably sexist and annoying) Lawyer who was quoted assumed she was a lawyer.  Which he would because he knows better. 

I have to do more to bring my phone into a courthouse than people are assuming this woman had to do to visit her client for hours at a time and the idea she was having sex with him in a room while other attorneys sat there and did nothing to get the room for them and their clients is ridiculous. 

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51 minutes ago, krista4 said:

I certainly don't intend to pile on, and know your intentions are good.  

When I was working at the firm previously mentioned in this thread and linked to Barr, etc., there was a senior partner who refused to work with female associates because, hey, what if they had to work late together, and what would his wife think of that?  People really wanted to work with him because it was interesting work mostly with a particular big-name client, and getting time with this executive committee partner was highly career-enhancing.  But, of course, he made his work off limits to an entire segment of the associate pool.  (This didn't affect me much personally because I targeted working solely with non-#######s.)

At my first in-house job, I needed to hire outside counsel for a particularly sensitive matter involving our Board of Directors, and my boss (the GC) insisted we had to hire "gray hairs" (his term, which was inclusive only of old white guys) just for appearance, to have the Board take them seriously.

My law school roommate was/is stunningly gorgeous (no pics), and for the first 10-12 years of her career, practically every time she showed up at a deposition, she had to explain she was not the stenographer.

I could go on and on - probably already have! - but these are some of the experiences that make stories like this, or reactions to it, irksome.

The guy who runs the law firm I just broke out from last year still refers to “woman lawyers.”

You know, like regular lawyers.  But women. 

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2 hours ago, krista4 said:

When I did my pro bono death penalty work, no one had to tell me to “dress down” to visit the prison.  It was pretty obvious as a young female.  She also didn’t sound all that dressed down from usual office attire.  The days of dressing in a suit for work in a firm are long past. 

The whole article is infuriating.  I’d have hoped the days where young attractive women have to explain, “yes, I really am an attorney” were also long past, but I see they persist.  The notion that Epstein should have had old male lawyers just for appearance sake is likewise infuriating.

How I would dress if I were an attractive woman visiting prison

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1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

The guy who runs the law firm I just broke out from last year still refers to “woman lawyers.”

You know, like regular lawyers.  But women. 

Mr krista likes to introduce me as a “lady lawyer” just to irritate me.  :lmao: 

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15 minutes ago, krista4 said:

Mr krista likes to introduce me as a “lady lawyer” just to irritate me.  :lmao: 

Oldie but a goodie. 

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Jeffrey Epstein’s death ruled suicide by hanging  — Medical examiner’s finding comes a week after demise of financier accused of sex trafficking

>>Jeffrey Epstein’s cause of death was suicide by hanging, according to the New York chief medical examiner.

The disgraced money manager was found dead in his cell last Saturday while awaiting trial on charges of sex trafficking minors.

Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner, said in a statement on Friday that the determination of suicide had been made after a “careful review of all investigative information, including complete autopsy findings”.<<

>>Epstein’s lawyers said they were “not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner” and would conduct their own investigation into his death.

“First, no one should die in jail. And no one, not Mr Epstein who was presumed innocent and had violated no prison disciplinary rule, and not anyone should be imprisoned under the harsh, even medieval conditions at the MCC where Mr Epstein spent his final hours,” said Martin Weinberg, Reid Weingarten and Michael Miller in a statement.

They added they would sue if necessary “to view the pivotal videos — if they exist as they should — of the area proximate to Mr Epstein’s cell during the time period leading to his death”.<<

>>Judge Richard Berman, who was overseeing Epstein’s case, wrote to the MCC’s warden on Monday asking about what had occurred in the July incident.

“To my knowledge, it has never been definitively explained what the [Bureau of Prisons] concluded about that incident,” he said in a letter.

The warden, Lamine N’Diaye, who has since been temporarily reassigned, said in response that she could not reveal information about the incident as it was part of the FBI and justice department inspector-general’s investigation into Epstein’s death.<<

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So, in addition to the champagne room there is no sex in the attorney/client room.

These forums always adding to the knowledge base.

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I'm sure MCC has records & video of Epstein meeting with his stenographer for hours.  Maybe someone will do a records request, or now that they rules it a suicide it probably just gets swept under the rug.

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2 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Maybe someone will do a records request,

Perhaps that someone is you.

Let us know what you find out

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5 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

I'm sure MCC has records & video of Epstein meeting with his stenographer for hours.  Maybe someone will do a records request, or now that they rules it a suicide it probably just gets swept under the rug.

Took a month for the guy to get the request for the TSA note. Can only imagine how long this would take. 

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5 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

I'm sure MCC has records & video of Epstein meeting with his stenographer for hours.  Maybe someone will do a records request, or now that they rules it a suicide it probably just gets swept under the rug.

Lawyer, not stenographer.  And why would they have video of a confidential, privileged meeting?

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43 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Lawyer, not stenographer.  And why would they have video of a confidential, privileged meeting?

I think Phil is being very, very cheeky here. I wryly sort of smiled. 

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

I think Phil is being very, very cheeky here. I wryly sort of smiled. 

Ah, good. Poe’s Law is pretty solidly in play these days. 

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

Ah, good. Poe’s Law is pretty solidly in play these days. 

I try and treat it on a case-by-case basis. That's all I can do. I can't seem to get in a frame of mind that allows a consistent approach. Indeed, it's even giving me pause the past four or so years when I write. I write like I talk. That adds to the problem. Anyway I get what you're saying and why you might approach it that way. And I could be wrong about Phil.

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I try and treat it on a case-by-case basis. That's all I can do. I can't seem to get in a frame of mind that allows a consistent approach. Indeed, it's even giving me pause the past four or so years when I write. I write like I talk. That adds to the problem. Anyway I get what you're saying and why you might approach it that way. And I could be wrong about Phil.

Satire is dead. It’s just not possible to parody politics anymore. 

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I would like to be the first to send my condolences to the families of these guards for committing "suicide". 

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4 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

Satire is dead. It’s just not possible to parody politics anymore. 

The Onion headline writers keep getting more and more serious competition from the actual headlines.

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1 hour ago, Leroy Hoard said:

The Onion headline writers keep getting more and more serious competition from the actual headlines.

Local Man Writes Himself

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Every time I read this thread title I can’t help running this dialogue in my head.

Bluto: “Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Jeffrey Epstein...

Otter: Dead!

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2 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Every time I read this thread title I can’t help running this dialogue in my head.

Bluto: “Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Jeffrey Epstein...

Otter: Dead!

Funny, I keep seeing Jeffrey Epstein and thinking of Carly Rae Jepsen. 

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3 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Every time I read this thread title I can’t help running this dialogue in my head.

Bluto: “Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Jeffrey Epstein...

Otter: Dead!

Timothy Leary, Moody Blues, here. 

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Just now, Encumbrance said:

Funny, I keep seeing Jeffrey Epstein and thinking of Carly Rae Jepsen. 

Carley Rae Jepstein...pop singer that forced herself into sexual slavery with herself when she was 16.

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Just now, OrtonToOlsen said:

Carley Rae Jepstein...pop singer that forced herself into sexual slavery with herself when she was 16.

Sounds like a quite a fate for a pretty girl

She might be this girl

So there stood Matthew Arnold and this girl

With the cliffs of England crumbling away behind them,

And he said to her, 'Try to be true to me,

And I'll do the same for you, for things are bad

All over, etc., etc.'

Well now, I knew this girl. It's true she had read

Sophocles in a fairly good translation

And caught that bitter allusion to the sea,

But all the time he was talking she had in mind

the notion of what his whiskers would feel like

On the back of her neck. She told me later on

That after a while she got to looking out

At the lights across the channel, and really felt sad,

Thinking of all the wine and enormous beds

And blandishments in French and the perfumes.

And then she got really angry. To have been brought

All the way down from London, and then be addressed

As sort of a mournful cosmic last resort

Is really tough on a girl, and she was pretty.

Anyway, she watched him pace the room

and finger his watch-chain and seem to sweat a bit,

And then she said one or two unprintable things.

But you mustn't judge her by that. What I mean to say is,

She's really all right. I still see her once in a while

And she always treats me right. We have a drink

And I give her a good time, and perhaps it's a year

Before I see her again, but there she is,

Running to fat, but dependable as they come,

And sometimes I bring her a bottle of Nuit d'Amour. 

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56 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Every time I read this thread title I can’t help running this dialogue in my head.

Bluto: “Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Jeffrey Epstein...

Otter: Dead!

:goodposting:

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[scooter] posted the Animal House thing the other day.

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1 hour ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Now I feel bad.

turrible

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Why was Jeffrey Epstein allowed to purchase small women’s panties from the Palm Beach jail? Some  interesting excerpts:

  • It was just one of thousands of dollars of purchases made by the disgraced financier while in jail after pleading guilty in 2008 to soliciting a minor for sex, according to a purchase log. (His top purchase was single-serve cups of coffee, of which he bought more than 800 in 13 months.) But the panties raise questions about why a childless male inmate, accused of sexually abusing girls as young as 14, would be allowed to buy female undergarments so small that they wouldn’t fit an average-sized adult woman.
  • On Friday, the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office, which runs the jail and stockade, handed out the records of his stay, during which he was allowed to leave the stockade in a chauffeur-driven car and deposited at a downtown West Palm Beach office building for a 12-hour-a-day, six-day-a-week respite from incarceration.
  • “His financial status lends itself to his being victimized while in custody and as such, he has been placed in special management,” Chamberlain wrote. “He is poorly versed in jail routine and society and his adjustment to incarceration will most likely be atypical. For the time being, I am authorizing that his cell door be left unlocked and he be given liberal access to the attorney room where a TV will be installed.”
  • Bradley Edwards, an attorney for some of the women who accuse Epstein of having recruiters lure girls to his Palm Beach estate for massages that turned into sexual assaults, has alleged that Epstein used his work release hours to engage in sexual exploits behind closed doors. A release of court records earlier this month quoted a young female college student allegedly recruited by Epstein’s associates saying he required “three orgasms a day” to function. “It was biological. Like eating,” she said Epstein told her.
  • Epstein paid the sheriff’s office more than $128,000 to cover the cost of deputies’ supervising him off duty. Their rates began at $42 per hour, documents show.

 

 

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A release of court records earlier this month quoted a young female college student allegedly recruited by Epstein’s associates saying he required “three orgasms a day” to function. “It was biological. Like eating,” she said Epstein told her.

Years ago I tried a similar line with my wife.   It didn't work.  She said if I was that hungry I should  fix my own meals :sadbanana:

 

But now I understand what happened to Epstein.  He didn't hang himself -- he starved to death.

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On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 5:13 PM, krista4 said:

I certainly don't intend to pile on, and know your intentions are good.  

When I was working at the firm previously mentioned in this thread and linked to Barr, etc., there was a senior partner who refused to work with female associates because, hey, what if they had to work late together, and what would his wife think of that?  People really wanted to work with him because it was interesting work mostly with a particular big-name client, and getting time with this executive committee partner was highly career-enhancing.  But, of course, he made his work off limits to an entire segment of the associate pool.  (This didn't affect me much personally because I targeted working solely with non-#######s.)

At my first in-house job, I needed to hire outside counsel for a particularly sensitive matter involving our Board of Directors, and my boss (the GC) insisted we had to hire "gray hairs" (his term, which was inclusive only of old white guys) just for appearance, to have the Board take them seriously.

My law school roommate was/is stunningly gorgeous (no pics), and for the first 10-12 years of her career, practically every time she showed up at a deposition, she had to explain she was not the stenographer.

I could go on and on - probably already have! - but these are some of the experiences that make stories like this, or reactions to it, irksome.

My sister worked for MoFo in the early 90's.  They had an exodus of females over a perceived glass ceiling.  Some of those female attorneys filed suit.  Mo
Fo had a bit of a PR problem and a legal one.  They determined to advance some female associates a bit ahead of the traditional track. My sister was a beneficiary of that movement.  As she was being considered for advancement one of the senior partners took she and a few others to an NBA game as part of the courtship.  They had great seats as one might expect, right behind the bench.  The partner was condescendingly explaining to the little lady the finer nuances of the game.  My sister, a H.S. All State basketball and volleyball player was polite.  At that point the coach of the Warriors, Don Nelson heard her voice.  When he had coached the Bucks his son and my sister had become acquainted and he knew her well, she having been to his home many times.  He invited her down to the bench. The senior partner was impressed and wanted an introduction, the connection being one that could potentially be lucrative for MOFO's entertainment and sports law section.  After the game my sister made the introduction.  Coach Nelson told the partner he had heard him during the game and he was amused that he was pontificating on basketball to a H.S. All State player.  I think the partner sort of got the message. I mean he was trying to sell these young female lawyers on staying with the firm and yet he could not help being a bit of a condescending #####, an old school sexist..

 

For my sister this all worked out.  She got a partnership offer.  She stayed maybe three years before leaving.  Oh, they waived the partnership fee for her, a not insubstantial matter.

 

Its weird, our profession is a bit more than half female.  Females have risen to the very highest levels and many of the battles of the 50's through the 90's will not be fought again, yet there are vestiges of out of place attitudes still persistently hanging around. 

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DOJ Bureau of Prisons director removed.

>>Barr named Kathleen Hawk Sawyer, the prison agency’s director from 1992 until 2003, to replace Hurwitz. Hurwitz is moving to a role as a deputy in charge of the bureau’s reentry programs, where he will work with Barr on putting in place the First Step Act, a criminal justice overhaul.<<

>>Hurwitz is a longtime bureaucrat who joined the bureau in 1998. He had also served in the Education Department, the Food and Drug Administration and worked for NASA’s office of inspector general. He returned to the prison agency in 2015 and was appointed acting director by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions in 2018.<<

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He signed a new will 2 days before he offed himself. 

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16 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

He signed a new will 2 days before he offed himself. 

That does seem like a person getting his affairs in order, doesn't it?

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19 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

That does seem like a person getting his affairs in order, doesn't it?

But for what, his death, his bail applications which delved deeply into his finances, for securing legal fees knowing that some of his assets may be encumbered.  It could be consistent with contemplation of death by suicide, homicide while incarcerated, bail applications, any number of matters.

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14 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:
35 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

That does seem like a person getting his affairs in order, doesn't it?

But for what, his death, his bail applications which delved deeply into his finances, for securing legal fees knowing that some of his assets may be encumbered.  It could be consistent with contemplation of death by suicide, homicide while incarcerated, bail applications, any number of matters.

The first letter of every sentence spells out "I-T W-A-S T-H-E D-U-K-E-S I-T W-A-S T-H-E D-U-K-E-S"

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36 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

That does seem like a person getting his affairs in order, doesn't it?

I wonder why he didn't do that the first time he apparently tried to kill himself.

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52 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

He signed a new will 2 days before he offed himself. 

Here's the text of the will:

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I hereby leave all of my financial assets to Bill and Hilary Clinton, who definitely had nothing to do with my suicide and who probably have an airtight alibi for whatever night it was that I killed myself.  

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Epstein

 

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23 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Here's the text of the will:

 

"Please let Jeffrey out of jail.  He's definitely dead."

-Signed, Epstein's Mother

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