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Jeffrey Epstein: there is definitely nothing to see here folks, I am feeling very sleepy, I think I'll take a nice nap. (5 Viewers)
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Zow
Footballguy
Except in this case there is a medical examiner who indicated the manner of death was suicide.
So, in your example, it'd be like the guy's gut telling him that his wife is cheating on him even though a private investigator followed the wife and found no indication that she was cheating.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
The entire news industry needs to "go down" because it failed to expose a criminal? Come on.
supermike80
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
The second level of facts also put the examiner's findings into question.
The guy who observed the autopsy reported the broken bones in the neck which is "more consistent with strangulation than suicide". So we have that.
I believe they said 6% of suicides by hanging show broken bones, but they also indicate that when people jump off objects and have a fall before they die which leads to that number.
Epstein was old, but not old enough to call his bones brittle to the point where leaning forward on a noose would cause that damage.
He was in a cell designed to eliminate suicides, yet this genius figured it out.
And I'd bet that PI is the one kicking it with the wife.
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Max Power
Footballguy
Hopefully it can serve a catalyst for the MSM to prioritize their loyalties or values.
whoknew
Footballguy
Who or what in the MSM do you think is not properly prioritizing their loyalties or values?
[scooter]
Footballguy
That's not going to happen as long as we have a POTUS threatening to dismantle libel protections for the free press.
Max Power
Footballguy
I don't disagree. But it's also the main stream media not willing to be the a bigger man
[scooter]
Footballguy
Why should the MSM risk being dismantled? Or, to put it another way, why do you think a private business has an obligation to place the moral values of others above the interests of the owners and shareholders of the company?
Zow
Footballguy
I genuinely don't know a ton about the situation other than the general gist of the ME report and the rampant calls that it's a conspiracy. So, I was trying to prompt more specific and additional information than the general "this seems fishy"* sentiment that has been clear. I do appreciate your response to my other post above because you provided specifics and gave me some information that I didn't know.
To answer your actual question, I'll try to find out more information. I have personally been a part of several dozen incidents within jails and prison - where sometimes there is video footage and sometimes now - so I do think I can speak a bit on it as well when I have the opportuntity to learn more about what you're referencing.
*Not a direct quote from anybody but instead my descriptive summary of the previous general claims made by a variety of posters.
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Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
Ok, there is some hyperbole here. I figured people would have understood what I meant, I figured incorrectly. No, not the entire news industry.
Those that are involved in coverups, fake news, half truths, one sided takes....you know what? I would be alright with ALL of it coming down and starting over.
Max Power
Footballguy
I was only saying the MSM shouldn't have squashed the story and their reasoning behind it being to still be able to get feel good stories from the royal family is a poor answer IMO.
I'd rather they roast people when the evidence is there than play nice in order to have access later.
msommer
Footballguy
The story being the suicide? Or his alleged pedophilia (ephebophilia?) Or?
If it is the suicide then that is really not a type of story the media excels at covering. There are few actors. Aceess to them may be restricted. With no smoking guns, few or no leaks the story is bound to fall from page one rather quickly.
Max Power
Footballguy
Yeah, no worries. I forget that some people dont follow this as close as I do.
So that basics are...
2 cameras recording the cell didnt work that night. They are at CIA headquarters currently to be examined. No report of any other cameras in the whole facility malfunctioning that night.
The guards didnt check in on Epstein that night. Falsified documents that they did. Guards might not be actual guards and may be prison employees getting OT.
Cell was designed to prevent suicides.
Clothing for suicidal individuals was made to prevent this. We dont know what he was wearing though.
He had a cellmate that was moved just before - I believe this is unverified.
And now we have someone who had an inside scoop on the guy saying it was probably murder.
Just a lot not adding up here.
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
Yeah, these Dr’s never lie, are never bought, never threatened, never blackmailed, etc. to say what someone tells them to say.
Or murder is never made to look like a suicide.
We have a suspect who is on suicide watch but somehow is able to commit suicide anyways.
That suspect is able to take down a lot of people with his testimony(Republicans and Democrats, etc) and suddenly he does not exist anymore.
I’m not buying the suicide theory.
msommer
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
The story that ABC squashed was with Virginia Guffrie, an alleged victim. The one in the photo with Prince andrew. The ABC reporter said they dug deep and had a lot to expose on the situation years ago.
msommer
Footballguy
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
adonis
Footballguy
I thought I read an explanation from someone on Twitter (expert) who said him being taken off of the watch wasn't uncommon and was pretty standard protocol, as you don't leave folks on watch for very long. Don't remember who it was though.
msommer
Footballguy
adonis
Footballguy
Possibly, if so an expert on this topic made the argument on twitter right around the time of death, or a day or two after
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I would do nothing, take out no policies, which might encourage my wife to accidentally kill or dismember me. The temptations are already high without adding financial incentive into the mix.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
This is why I have security cameras in my home "to watch the dogs while I'm at work."
Henry Ford
Footballguy
It involves believing that the Clintons and Obama still control the Justice Department.
NREC34
Footballguy
Do these people even realize that Trump was big buddies with Epstein? Or that he has a questionable history pertaining to young girls (beauty pageants) and women in general?
caustic
Footballguy
Rep. Paul Gosar, who gained some notoriety in 2018 when his siblings ran a TV ad endorsing his opponent, is up to some shenanigans on Twitter: https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/13/paul-gosars-tweets-epstein-didnt-kill-himself/
Max Power
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1196228039551725568?s=20
James O'Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII
BREAKING: Congress to investigate @ABC News... via @megynkelly
#EpsteinCoverup
James O'Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII
BREAKING: Congress to investigate @ABC News... via @megynkelly
#EpsteinCoverup
[scooter]
Footballguy
That's why it's Congress to investigate rather than the DOJ. Congress can decide whether to propose a Constitutional Amendment.
Max Power
Footballguy
Part of the questioning will include if they knew of any continuing human trafficking involving Epstein.
[scooter]
Footballguy
How would anyone be able to prove that a journalist is lying when they say "No" to that question?
Max Power
Footballguy
Robach and crew investigated it. Congress now wants to get some facts behind Robach's claims.
If crimes were not reported due to financial or personal reasons, that is something that should be brought to light.
[scooter]
Footballguy
American journalists are not, and should not be, required to publish the names of suspected-but-uncharged criminals.
If that's what Republicans are going for, then the hearings will be a complete traveshamockery.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
They owe it to the victims and the public to at least turnover their findings. Which I believe the news does have an obligation to relay potential crimes to the police.
This was Jeffery Epstein. An already convicted pedophile. He went back to doing the stuff that got him in trouble the first time.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Wait, now you're saying that Robach is the bad guy here? She's the star witness for Republicans, and you're saying that she should have called the police -- even though the victim that she interviewed was perfectly capable of doing so on her own behalf?
(And that doesn't even touch on what would happen to the entire concept of journalism if victims could no longer trust reporters with confidential information.)
Your post is a further illustration of exactly why these hearings will be a farce. Republicans can't prop up Robach as a victim......while simultaneously saying that she had an obligation to contact the police.
The bottom line here is that journalists should not be forced to do illegal police work or to violate the Constitutional rights of others.
Max Power
Footballguy
Robach isnt the bad guy. Why are you making this partisan? It isnt a partisan issue. It's human trafficking and sex crimes against children.
ABC chose not to expose it and some more children were likely harmed in the 3 years Epstein roamed free.
I dont understand why you have a problem with congress asking questions. If you can look the other way during these horrible crimes, I have no sympathy for anyone involved.
[scooter]
Footballguy
First off, I'm not the one making it partisan. You are the one who referenced a report by right-wing media member Megyn Kelly -- a report in which Republican Kevin McCarthy demanded answers from ABC News. I haven't seen any evidence that this is a nonpartisan effort from Congress.
Second, you just implied that Robach should have turned over her findings to the police.
How do you think that would impact her testimony? Do you think that she would be willing to be helpful to whatever narrative you think McCarthy may be trying to weave here?
If you truly believe that journalists "owe it to the victims to at least turn over their findings" "to the police" (your words), then how can you not think Robach is a bad guy here? Or do you think that such an obligation should only rest on the journalist's employer? If so, how is that supposed to work? Should media outlets be required to have staffers trained in police work who confiscate and analyze every reporter's notes, and then just categorically turn over all those notes to the government, even when an alleged victim doesn't want that to happen? If so, do you think that might be problematic in terms of finding reporters willing to work under such authoritarian conditions? And how would such journalists even be able to do their jobs at all, since the public would know that journalists could no longer be trusted to keep their stories confidential?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Trump's buddy Jeff.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Who is Megyn Kelly working for these days?Max Power said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is the actual Kelly-McCarthy interview.
- Kelly asks a couple good questions that McCarthy doesn’t answer (3:11). He’s not interested in other news organizations and he has no interest in talking to anyone in law enforcement. McCarthy has no answer.
- No news organization should appear before any lawmaker to explain their editorialization or reporting.
- Kelly asks a couple good questions that McCarthy doesn’t answer (3:11). He’s not interested in other news organizations and he has no interest in talking to anyone in law enforcement. McCarthy has no answer.
- No news organization should appear before any lawmaker to explain their editorialization or reporting.
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