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15 hours ago, Bucsfan5493 said:

A couple of episodes into the Epstein doc on Netflix. What a straight up scumbag this guy was. With all the big names he seemed close to, you just have to wonder how many of them knew or even participated in his antics. Really sad to think about.

It's amazing how hard it is to break the spell of a rich person or the system.

Somewhat off topic but I am re-watching episodes of 30 rock and they have made honestly 20-30 jokes about Harvey Weinstein raping or sexually assaulting people and this was back in 2006.  

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21 hours ago, Bucsfan5493 said:

A couple of episodes into the Epstein doc on Netflix. What a straight up scumbag this guy was. With all the big names he seemed close to, you just have to wonder how many of them knew or even participated in his antics. Really sad to think about.

Quite a few unfortunately, My buddy from HS is an independent musician who was part of the musical cast who created the Theme for the Fox show EMPIRE. He's also met Tyrese Gibson of the fast franchise and been to his house for a few parties where he also met the late Paul Walker. He's also done some collaborations with Philly Rapper Meek Mill. Tryese and some others in Hollywood and LA have given him the dirty in LA. A few females have admitted to being molested or raped as kids when they first were acting in their early teens or younger at Auditions by directors or another cast member on set. This thing with Epstein will destroy the elite as we know it if it gets public enough. This thing will put away a list celebs, former and current politicians etc if it went to court. Its why the elite had him killed. The child abuse, sex trafficking and prostitution ring amongst the elite is very scary. METOO Movement in Hollywood was just the tip of the Iceberg. Clinton/Trump/Prince Albert/etc were all part and took part in abusing these young women and children. However MSM doesn't want to even touch it because of the issues behind it and unorthodox it is. 

The rich/Elite system is so strong. It would take numerous people and possible infiltration and investigations to even get to the bottom of everything and everyone involved. This thing like I said is not just a US Problem but an international problem. Any number of high ranking officials around the world could've ordered the hit on Epstein. 

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4 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

This thing with Epstein will destroy the elite as we know it if it gets public enough. This thing will put away a list celebs, former and current politicians etc if it went to court. Its why the elite had him killed. The child abuse, sex trafficking and prostitution ring amongst the elite is very scary. METOO Movement in Hollywood was just the tip of the Iceberg. Clinton/Trump/Prince Albert/etc were all part and took part in abusing these young women and children. However MSM doesn't want to even touch it because of the issues behind it and unorthodox it is. 

This investigation has been ongoing since 2006 or so.  14+ years.  And the current phase where they raided everything and grabbed black books, tapes, DVDs, or whatever else he had squirreled away has gone exactly nowhere.

In other words, don't hold your breath.

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9 minutes ago, Sand said:

This investigation has been ongoing since 2006 or so.  14+ years.  And the current phase where they raided everything and grabbed black books, tapes, DVDs, or whatever else he had squirreled away has gone exactly nowhere.

In other words, don't hold your breath.

Makes you wonder where those items went or if they were destroyed or “lost”

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I'd like to believe our current president didn't offer the man who gave Jefferey Epstein the plea deal of the century a cabinet position, but yet, it happened.  Alex Acosta, Donald Trump's hand selection for Labor Secretary, is the man responsible for letting Epstein basically walk for raping young children.  What a president!  

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On 6/10/2020 at 11:00 AM, General Malaise said:

I'd like to believe our current president didn't offer the man who gave Jefferey Epstein the plea deal of the century a cabinet position, but yet, it happened.  Alex Acosta, Donald Trump's hand selection for Labor Secretary, is the man responsible for letting Epstein basically walk for raping young children.  What a president!  

I’m sure that is just a coincidence.

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The netflix documentary leans on the Trump/Acosta angle pretty hard, but doesn't mention the intelligence aspect.  Like, at all.  Even when it briefly covers Ghislaine Maxwell's father's death, it only mentions 'mysterious circumstances,' not that he was an intelligence agent for Israel.  Whitney Webb has done phenomenal work on this, should have put her on instead of Vicky Ward.  

It also doesn't make mention of reports that Alex Acosta cut a deal with Epstein because he "belonged to intelligence."  Which is CRAZY, because it was Vicky Ward's own reporting!  

The documentary also didn't mention the bizarre painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress at one of Epstein's properties either.  Not to make it a Clinton thing either but it seems like a relevant detail in addition to all the weird paintings of women.  

Sadly, the girls clearly felt robbed by Epstein's abrupt death.  We'll never know the real depths of this thing.  Yes, Epstein ran a blackmail operation, but for WHO?  The documentary was very good and waded into a lot of murky details, but leaving out the intelligence angle seems derelict and kind of a whitewash to me. 

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4 hours ago, ren hoek said:

The netflix documentary leans on the Trump/Acosta angle pretty hard, but doesn't mention the intelligence aspect.  Like, at all.  Even when it briefly covers Ghislaine Maxwell's father's death, it only mentions 'mysterious circumstances,' not that he was an intelligence agent for Israel.  Whitney Webb has done phenomenal work on this, should have put her on instead of Vicky Ward.  

It also doesn't make mention of reports that Alex Acosta cut a deal with Epstein because he "belonged to intelligence."  Which is CRAZY, because it was Vicky Ward's own reporting!  

The documentary also didn't mention the bizarre painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress at one of Epstein's properties either.  Not to make it a Clinton thing either but it seems like a relevant detail in addition to all the weird paintings of women.  

Sadly, the girls clearly felt robbed by Epstein's abrupt death.  We'll never know the real depths of this thing.  Yes, Epstein ran a blackmail operation, but for WHO?  The documentary was very good and waded into a lot of murky details, but leaving out the intelligence angle seems derelict and kind of a whitewash to me. 

I don't doubt that there are forces from high above that are withholding evidence and data from the public and I can only speculate as to why they are doing it.  What of all the pictures and videos collected from the secret cameras Epstein had all over his residence?  Who and what is on them?  Feels like the death of Epstein is supposed to close the chapter on this insidious book for good, but that doesn't sit well with me either.  

1) Why the HELL isn't Ghislaine Maxwell in custody?  Why has she escaped any prosecution?  She's a monster.  The fact that she is roaming free is a travesty.  
2)  Acosta needs to be held more accountable.  I get that he was forced to resign, but why was he given a position in Trump's cabinet at all?  What's he hiding?  
3) Clinton is a scumbag.  Why is he lying about visiting Epstein's island?  
4) Prince Andrew is also a scumbag.  He needs to face the music, royal family be damned.  It's not a carte blanche to have sex with underage girls.

Epstein was diddling little girls for a long time.  Most of them were West Palm Beach lower income victims that were used for his fancy alone.  He was a pedophile first and foremost.  I don't doubt that he was blackmailing others, but he and Ghislaine were sexual predators who would have raped little girls with or without the encouragement of any 'intelligence'.  

Vicky Ward was a victim too.  Her editor back stabbed her.  He needs to face the music too - why did he nerf her original work?  What is he hiding?  Who got to him?  

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5 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I don't doubt that there are forces from high above that are withholding evidence and data from the public and I can only speculate as to why they are doing it.  What of all the pictures and videos collected from the secret cameras Epstein had all over his residence?  Who and what is on them?  Feels like the death of Epstein is supposed to close the chapter on this insidious book for good, but that doesn't sit well with me either.  

1) Why the HELL isn't Ghislaine Maxwell in custody?  Why has she escaped any prosecution?  She's a monster.  The fact that she is roaming free is a travesty.  
2)  Acosta needs to be held more accountable.  I get that he was forced to resign, but why was he given a position in Trump's cabinet at all?  What's he hiding?  
3) Clinton is a scumbag.  Why is he lying about visiting Epstein's island?  
4) Prince Andrew is also a scumbag.  He needs to face the music, royal family be damned.  It's not a carte blanche to have sex with underage girls.

Epstein was diddling little girls for a long time.  Most of them were West Palm Beach lower income victims that were used for his fancy alone.  He was a pedophile first and foremost.  I don't doubt that he was blackmailing others, but he and Ghislaine were sexual predators who would have raped little girls with or without the encouragement of any 'intelligence'.  

Vicky Ward was a victim too.  Her editor back stabbed her.  He needs to face the music too - why did he nerf her original work?  What is he hiding?  Who got to him?  

Good posting and I agree about Maxwell. She should be in prison.

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6 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

1) Why the HELL isn't Ghislaine Maxwell in custody?  Why has she escaped any prosecution?  She's a monster.  The fact that she is roaming free is a travesty.  

Cmon, do we really have to ask this?

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And it's a lil' strange that the one guy we've heard the DOJ pursuing is the one guy whom we know they have zero chance of actually getting, Prince Andrew, and who really is just a witness to whatever specified parties or travels he went on. There must be a hundred such witnesses.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Cmon, do we really have to ask this?

Oh, I'm sorry.  Did I offend you by asking?  Yeah, I have to ask.  I watched the 4 part documentary and have read more than I probably should have.  Other than the sweetheart deal that Acosta struck whereupon all accomplices of Epstein were to avoid any prosecution (I'm paraphrasing; not an attorney, clearly) why is she roaming free today?  She raped little girls!  Countless little girls.  Where's the justice?

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Just now, General Malaise said:

Oh, I'm sorry.  Did I offend you by asking?  Yeah, I have to ask.  I watched the 4 part documentary and have read more than I probably should have.  Other than the sweetheart deal that Acosta struck whereupon all accomplices of Epstein were to avoid any prosecution (I'm paraphrasing; not an attorney, clearly) why is she roaming free today?  She raped little girls!  Countless little girls.  Where's the justice?

I'm certainly not offended. I just don't see the point of rhetorical questions at this point. We know. Yes the NPA, exactly. She hasn't been arrested and charged because the DOJ, more than once and in more than one place, and with the help of at least one federal judge, has purposefully avoided investigating and charging her because of the notoriety of the clientele that would be exposed. I've mentioned this before but there have been similar investigations that had similar endings, the Canal Street Brothel here in NO and the DC Madam are two that come to mind. The point is to shut it down.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'm certainly not offended. I just don't see the point of rhetorical questions at this point. We know. Yes the NPA, exactly. She hasn't been arrested and charged because the DOJ, more than once and in more than one place, and with the help of at least one federal judge, has purposefully avoided investigating and charging her because of the notoriety of the clientele that would be exposed. I've mentioned this before but there have been similar investigations that had similar endings, the Canal Street Brothel here in NO and the DC Madam are two that come to mind. The point is to shut it down.

Well that sucks.  Hard to have faith in this country, our system of justice or even karma when a sexual predator like this gets to walk free because the prosecution decided that she holds too many secrets that would expose power people.  She needs to be rotting in a cell for eternity.

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7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'm certainly not offended. I just don't see the point of rhetorical questions at this point. We know. Yes the NPA, exactly. She hasn't been arrested and charged because the DOJ, more than once and in more than one place, and with the help of at least one federal judge, has purposefully avoided investigating and charging her because of the notoriety of the clientele that would be exposed. I've mentioned this before but there have been similar investigations that had similar endings, the Canal Street Brothel here in NO and the DC Madam are two that come to mind. The point is to shut it down.

You think this guy had anything to do with silencing Maxwell?

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I don't mean to be ridiculous or political, and I'm not trying to be but JE did a fair amount of recruiting at Maralago. As I understand it and I haven't seen the doc (plan to), but what kind of investigation doesn't subpoena such a place for all records of his presence and interactions at such a place? Leave the president out of it. - His island home - IIRC he actually also had a second island at St. James? - was largely left uninvestigated and unsearched until well past it mattered. Do I have all that correct?

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5 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

You think this guy had anything to do with silencing Maxwell?

I have no idea. But part of the problem is we have a world class sycophant and task-doer in the Attorney General, which is just one of a thousand problems with Barr. If we had an independent and normal AG it would certainly help rule such a thing out.

But it's my opinion and it has always been that the president should be subject to the same legal process as everyone else. Just my observation but it certainly seemed like Trump had more interaction with JE than the Prince. Meanwhile we know that a President can be subpoenaed and deposed for civil claims - including regarding sexual harassment - for events before they were president. DOJ would be well within its rights to question the President on this and Eric who currently runs Trump Org.

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I don't mean to be ridiculous or political, and I'm not trying to be but JE did a fair amount of recruiting at Maralago. As I understand it and I haven't seen the doc (plan to), but what kind of investigation doesn't subpoena such a place for all records of his presence and interactions at such a place? Leave the president out of it. - His island home - IIRC he actually also had a second island at St. James? - was largely left uninvestigated and unsearched until well past it mattered. Do I have all that correct?

I think this could have been an 8 part series or even longer.  There are A LOT of questions still.  I generally look at conspiracy theories and theorists as a source of amusement, but in this case?  Boy, there's a LOT of stench left over and it certainly seems like the world is racing to put this behind us.  Not fair to the victims and not fair to the world at large to leave these stones unturned for fear of what they'll unearth.  If Clinton has to spend the rest of his days behind bars, so be it.  Same should be said for Prince Andrew, Trump or anybody else who was either diddling little girls procured to them by Epstein and Maxwell or knew about the diddling and did nothing to stop it.  

Epstein's NYC home had hidden cameras everywhere inside and out; in the bathrooms, the showers, all rooms and closets.  He watched everybody and every activity in a room with a bank of TVs on it.  Whatever was seized in the raid is being concealed.  Powerful people are being protected and it's wrong.....so so so so wrong.  

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I'm still amazed at the audacity of the aggressiveness of how JE's legal team surveilled, harassed and stalked everyone on the prosecutorial side including the witnesses. 

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On 6/16/2020 at 2:56 PM, General Malaise said:

I don't doubt that there are forces from high above that are withholding evidence and data from the public and I can only speculate as to why they are doing it.  What of all the pictures and videos collected from the secret cameras Epstein had all over his residence?  Who and what is on them?  Feels like the death of Epstein is supposed to close the chapter on this insidious book for good, but that doesn't sit well with me either.  

1) Why the HELL isn't Ghislaine Maxwell in custody?  Why has she escaped any prosecution?  She's a monster.  The fact that she is roaming free is a travesty.  
2)  Acosta needs to be held more accountable.  I get that he was forced to resign, but why was he given a position in Trump's cabinet at all?  What's he hiding?  
3) Clinton is a scumbag.  Why is he lying about visiting Epstein's island?  
4) Prince Andrew is also a scumbag.  He needs to face the music, royal family be damned.  It's not a carte blanche to have sex with underage girls.

Epstein was diddling little girls for a long time.  Most of them were West Palm Beach lower income victims that were used for his fancy alone.  He was a pedophile first and foremost.  I don't doubt that he was blackmailing others, but he and Ghislaine were sexual predators who would have raped little girls with or without the encouragement of any 'intelligence'.  

Vicky Ward was a victim too.  Her editor back stabbed her.  He needs to face the music too - why did he nerf her original work?  What is he hiding?  Who got to him?  

To be fair to Ward’s editor at the time, it was said that he found a severed cat head and a bullet on his doorstep.  I think that would shake up anybody.  I believe Ward was threatened as well.  

In the end, Ward’s article read like a puff piece for Jeffrey Epstein, and she stayed quiet all those years, too.  It was a failure of every institution from top to bottom- but especially the ones entrusted to punish criminals for wrongdoing.  

The reason the intelligence angle is important is because Epstein wasn’t just a lone predator operating by himself- he was protected by the same institutions that are supposed to protect us from him.  I don’t think any of this would have been possible without complicity from the highest levels of govt.  If they were just pedophiles with no connection to power, they would have been arrested a long time ago.  

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40 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

To be fair to Ward’s editor at the time, it was said that he found a severed cat head and a bullet on his doorstep.  I think that would shake up anybody.  I believe Ward was threatened as well.  

In the end, Ward’s article read like a puff piece for Jeffrey Epstein, and she stayed quiet all those years, too.  It was a failure of every institution from top to bottom- but especially the ones entrusted to punish criminals for wrongdoing.  

The reason the intelligence angle is important is because Epstein wasn’t just a lone predator operating by himself- he was protected by the same institutions that are supposed to protect us from him.  I don’t think any of this would have been possible without complicity from the highest levels of govt.  If they were just pedophiles with no connection to power, they would have been arrested a long time ago.  

Tend to agree with you on the last point.  Terrifying.  Just corruption top to bottom.  Ugh.  

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On 6/16/2020 at 12:35 PM, urbanhack said:

I'm still amazed at the audacity of the aggressiveness of how JE's legal team surveilled, harassed and stalked everyone on the prosecutorial side including the witnesses. 

Yeah I cannot stress how grossly uncommon this is. It's just so brazen...

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On 6/16/2020 at 11:56 AM, General Malaise said:

I don't doubt that there are forces from high above that are withholding evidence and data from the public and I can only speculate as to why they are doing it.  What of all the pictures and videos collected from the secret cameras Epstein had all over his residence?  Who and what is on them?  Feels like the death of Epstein is supposed to close the chapter on this insidious book for good, but that doesn't sit well with me either.  

1) Why the HELL isn't Ghislaine Maxwell in custody?  Why has she escaped any prosecution?  She's a monster.  The fact that she is roaming free is a travesty.  
2)  Acosta needs to be held more accountable.  I get that he was forced to resign, but why was he given a position in Trump's cabinet at all?  What's he hiding?  
3) Clinton is a scumbag.  Why is he lying about visiting Epstein's island?  
4) Prince Andrew is also a scumbag.  He needs to face the music, royal family be damned.  It's not a carte blanche to have sex with underage girls.

Epstein was diddling little girls for a long time.  Most of them were West Palm Beach lower income victims that were used for his fancy alone.  He was a pedophile first and foremost.  I don't doubt that he was blackmailing others, but he and Ghislaine were sexual predators who would have raped little girls with or without the encouragement of any 'intelligence'.  

Vicky Ward was a victim too.  Her editor back stabbed her.  He needs to face the music too - why did he nerf her original work?  What is he hiding?  Who got to him?  

1. I'm sure there's conspiracy theory answers to this, but I'll admit I've seen much weaker cases charged. Pure speculation on my part, but maybe she reached a sealed testimonial deal against Epstein. Or, more simply, the state doesn't want to charge and just wants this put to rest (I watched the documentary and the victims didn't seem to be pushing too hard against Maxwell). 

2. I'll admit, when I heard the terms of the agreement I was surprised - and I say this as a guy who has reached plea deals in sex cases that received significant publicity and public backlash. I was most surprised at the total blanket immunity for co-conspirators and for what sounded like immunity for future crimes. However, I'll say two more things: 1) there really is a slippery slope with holding prosecutors "accountable" (not sure what sanctions you're implying with the term) as we shouldn't deter them from trying to seek justice (and justice often is best served by a plea agreement); and 2) as a guy in this world dealing with these sorts of cases I can assure you that - even in a highly publicized case with a documentary about it - there's just going to be more to it in terms of witness and evidence issues that the general public can ever know. 

3. Because it sounds terrible? 

Bold - Epstein was not a pedophile. He was an ephebophile. :bag: 

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Dersh on claims from the Netflix doc: go find the flight logs to show he traveled to the island.

- Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but one detail I recall from the Clinton situation was that supposedly there were no flight logs from Miami or South Florida to St. James. So if someone flew from SoFla to the Epstein island estate then it wasn't recorded. I think the flight logs are just about long haul travel. So someone saying go find the flight logs knowing none exist for the specific flight or flights they took could easily point to that claim as though it absolves them. I'm not claiming Dersh did anything (the story about his visit with his wife and child and the supposed older Russian masseuse is weird enough) - I realize the falsity in claiming that inability to prove something is also itself proof - but it's a really poor rhetorical trick that liars use to evade charges of wrongdoing. It's also odder still that a guy who who very much would be on the hook for such accusations would get on the defense team where he'd get to see exactly what evidence does or does not exist against him.

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julie k. brown @jkbjournalist

NEW: Alan Dershowitz's attorney confirms that his client has access to Virginia Giuffre's sealed depositions. Those depositions reveal that she was directed by Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with former Israeli PM Ehud Barak & Victoria's Secret's Les Wexner.

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28 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

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julie k. brown @jkbjournalist

NEW: Alan Dershowitz's attorney confirms that his client has access to Virginia Giuffre's sealed depositions. Those depositions reveal that she was directed by Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with former Israeli PM Ehud Barak & Victoria's Secret's Les Wexner.

Good god....are there any good guys out there? 

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12 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

Good god....are there any good guys out there? 

I’ve heard about a guy who lives in a remote cabin in Montana but it’s probably a myth.

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So, to piggyback on this horrible topic, there's another big story coming out of Milwaukee yesterday that's yet to be reported on by any major outlets.

Apparently a mob of people hunted down 2 missing kids to a house connected to a pedo. House was registered under a fake name. After some commotion and violence, police got to the scene, where they then rescued and behind police lines escorted out THE CREEPS INSTEAD OF THE CHILDREN. There's tons of video, and the mob apparently was able to bust into the house and grabbed some "documents" taking record of how many times the child had been "used".

Oh yeah and then the officers went into the house to "investigate" and by the time they came out it was in flames. It's all extremely disturbing, even more so that it seems police are protecting this stuff. And the fact community policing was more effective than actual police in this is a joke.

It's a tough read, but if you wanna check out the thread on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Eugene_V_Dabbs/status/1275548492367183872?s=19

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5 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

So, to piggyback on this horrible topic, there's another big story coming out of Milwaukee yesterday that's yet to be reported on by any major outlets.

Apparently a mob of people hunted down 2 missing kids to a house connected to a pedo. House was registered under a fake name. After some commotion and violence, police got to the scene, where they then rescued and behind police lines escorted out THE CREEPS INSTEAD OF THE CHILDREN. There's tons of video, and the mob apparently was able to bust into the house and grabbed some "documents" taking record of how many times the child had been "used".

Oh yeah and then the officers went into the house to "investigate" and by the time they came out it was in flames. It's all extremely disturbing, even more so that it seems police are protecting this stuff. And the fact community policing was more effective than actual police in this is a joke.

It's a tough read, but if you wanna check out the thread on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Eugene_V_Dabbs/status/1275548492367183872?s=19

Sad that community policing was better...but to burn the house and possibly take/tamper with evidence seems unwise.

 

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2 hours ago, ShamrockPride said:

Oh yeah and then the officers went into the house to "investigate" and by the time they came out it was in flames. It's all extremely disturbing, even more so that it seems police are protecting this stuff

Wait , the police torched the place???This story reads so outlandish to even make up

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7 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Wait , the police torched the place???This story reads so outlandish to even make up

That part I'm not sure. It seems to be the most hotly debated part of this thing. When/who started it. Whole thing is crazy.

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20 hours ago, Biff84 said:

I’ve heard about a guy who lives in a remote cabin in Montana but it’s probably a myth.

Ted Kaczynski?

Odd story, as shared by my cousin who used to work for the FBI: TK used to ride his bike down the hill from his cabin when he went into town to mail his letters.  A woman always let him leave his bike by her place, not knowing what he was really up to.  In thanks, he'd bring her tomatoes from his garden.  One time, he invited her up to see his place.  She noticed the lack of a toilet, and asked where he went.  He pointed to his garden. "I told him not to bring me any more tomatoes," she said to the FBI.  

True story.

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12 minutes ago, tri-man 47 said:

Ted Kaczynski?

Odd story, as shared by my cousin who used to work for the FBI: TK used to ride his bike down the hill from his cabin when he went into town to mail his letters.  A woman always let him leave his bike by her place, not knowing what he was really up to.  In thanks, he'd bring her tomatoes from his garden.  One time, he invited her up to see his place.  She noticed the lack of a toilet, and asked where he went.  He pointed to his garden. "I told him not to bring me any more tomatoes," she said to the FBI.  

True story.

I read this in Paul Harvey's voice and it really made it a lot better.

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21 hours ago, ren hoek said:

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julie k. brown @jkbjournalist

NEW: Alan Dershowitz's attorney confirms that his client has access to Virginia Giuffre's sealed depositions. Those depositions reveal that she was directed by Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with former Israeli PM Ehud Barak & Victoria's Secret's Les Wexner.

Miami Herald - Dersh is trying to get a wide range of materials that have been denied to others.

- Apparently Dersh is using his defamation suit to gin up discovery to get sealed materials, giving him an advance look. Sounds like he’s already been partially successful.

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2 hours ago, ShamrockPride said:

So, to piggyback on this horrible topic, there's another big story coming out of Milwaukee yesterday that's yet to be reported on by any major outlets.

Apparently a mob of people hunted down 2 missing kids to a house connected to a pedo. House was registered under a fake name. After some commotion and violence, police got to the scene, where they then rescued and behind police lines escorted out THE CREEPS INSTEAD OF THE CHILDREN. There's tons of video, and the mob apparently was able to bust into the house and grabbed some "documents" taking record of how many times the child had been "used".

Oh yeah and then the officers went into the house to "investigate" and by the time they came out it was in flames. It's all extremely disturbing, even more so that it seems police are protecting this stuff. And the fact community policing was more effective than actual police in this is a joke.

It's a tough read, but if you wanna check out the thread on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Eugene_V_Dabbs/status/1275548492367183872?s=19

dude, if some kind of child sex trafficking operation actually happened here it's horrible, but I read that entire thread and am no more enlightened than before I did.

the summary at this post: https://twitter.com/Eugene_V_Dabbs/status/1275798493219569667/photo/1 it says the girls went missing and the mom supposedly tracked her phone to a house where there's been neighborhood rumors of bad stuff happening for several years. So a mob of people shows up at that house demanding to search for the girls and somebody inside shoots at them - the cops come and arrest the shooter, leaving the house empty, the mob breaks in and finds no girls.

but "people who were there" said they found a bloody bed and pair of shorts and documents proving girls were raped. As far as I can tell from the video, these documents are a couple pieces of crumpled notebook paper where somebody wrote "Wanda" and "Wanda on sex" in blue ballpoint pen a few times  :oldunsure:

then someone sets the house on fire, along with a van parked on a street, and three people - two of whom were 14 years old - were shot. :oldunsure:  link: https://fox6now.com/2020/06/23/milwaukee-police-investigate-missing-persons-reports-for-2-girls-ages-15-and-13/

then later the girls are found completely unharmed in a different location.

what the hell?

 

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44 minutes ago, Possum said:

dude, if some kind of child sex trafficking operation actually happened here it's horrible, but I read that entire thread and am no more enlightened than before I did.

the summary at this post: https://twitter.com/Eugene_V_Dabbs/status/1275798493219569667/photo/1 it says the girls went missing and the mom supposedly tracked her phone to a house where there's been neighborhood rumors of bad stuff happening for several years. So a mob of people shows up at that house demanding to search for the girls and somebody inside shoots at them - the cops come and arrest the shooter, leaving the house empty, the mob breaks in and finds no girls.

but "people who were there" said they found a bloody bed and pair of shorts and documents proving girls were raped. As far as I can tell from the video, these documents are a couple pieces of crumpled notebook paper where somebody wrote "Wanda" and "Wanda on sex" in blue ballpoint pen a few times  :oldunsure:

then someone sets the house on fire, along with a van parked on a street, and three people - two of whom were 14 years old - were shot. :oldunsure:  link: https://fox6now.com/2020/06/23/milwaukee-police-investigate-missing-persons-reports-for-2-girls-ages-15-and-13/

then later the girls are found completely unharmed in a different location.

what the hell?

 

It's all very confusing, so surely no reason to jump to any conclusions.

The girls ending up in a different spot is curious, for sure. And I don't know if it's been reported how or why a couple of 14 year olds got shot (not by the cops). 

I'm so thankful the girls are out of this if that's what was going on. 

 

 

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I wonder what information she has to trade. :popcorn:

 

I assume that anyone who was uneasy about Epstein potentially cutting a deal, will be just as concerned now.

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I guess the other interesting aspect here - charges will be in SDNY.

 

Barr just removed the US Attorney for the SDNY.  Curious timing, that.

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According to the report Maxwell was on the east coast when she was arrested. Prior reports had been that she was hiding out in England or Europe. 

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3 minutes ago, The Gator said:

I guess the other interesting aspect here - charges will be in SDNY.

 

Barr just removed the US Attorney for the SDNY.  Curious timing, that.

I thought she was hiding out in Paris.  Maybe just opportunity when she flew back in to the US?

(As a corollary, why in the world would she set foot back in the US? )

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

According to the report Epstein was on the east coast when she was arrested. Prior reports had been that she was hiding out in England or Europe. 

Maxwell?

I read New Hampshire.

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2 minutes ago, Sand said:

I thought she was hiding out in Paris.  Maybe just opportunity when she flew back in to the US?

(As a corollary, why in the world would she set foot back in the US? )

I don't think she left the US.  But, I am really guessing here.  I think she was arrested at an estate in New Hampshire.

If she flew into the US, I would think she would have been arrested before she ever left a plane.

 

 

ETA - also SDNY was the jurisdiction charging Epstein, so that office is the most logical to have continued the investigation, leading to Maxwell's arrest.

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Good day. That whole network needs to be in jail.

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36 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

I hope she spends the rest of her life in prison.

I would say that might be appropriate but not optimal. 
 

Life in jail means she did not cut a deal to testify 

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