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Jeffrey Epstein: there is definitely nothing to see here folks, I am feeling very sleepy, I think I'll take a nice nap.

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1 hour ago, Biff84 said:

When were they recruiting girls at Mar-A-Lago?

His first criminal complaint was filed in 1996, and the girl worked for him in 1996, according to his Wiki. His first criminal indictment started in 2005 with another complaint. He was arrested in 2006.

I was making a joke btw. Some Trump guy suggested to me it was fishy because that's when Trump had contact with Epstein. So I looked it up, and sure enough, in a 2011 article, Trump said he kicked out Epstein 15 years ago. Then I wondered when Clinton was hanging out with him, and that looks to be from 2001-2005 according to the flight records. Is it fishy? I don't know. Edit: But in the end, Trump was friends with him in 96, when he was first accused (NYC). Bill was with him when he was recruiting girls in Florida.

I do find it fishy she was missing all of this time and just appears to get caught. Did she turn herself in? Just mess up? Seems like she was in deep hiding previously, supposedly in Europe. Why in the world would she come back here and not stay in France, where she'd likely never be extradited?

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1 hour ago, ren hoek said:

Thanks Snorkelson man.  I hope people think it’s coming from a coherent viewpoint.  Not just for sake of being contrarian or whatever.  

Not at all. I appreciate your perspective on a lot of topics, and although I don’t agree all the time with your conclusions, you seem to be a pretty cynical and  free thinker. I don’t expect a partisan post about Clinton or trump, and your particular understanding (and cynicism) of international geopolitics and how different countries might use the kind of leverage Epstein could provide is not something the average joe even thinks about.

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Wasn't Maxwell spotted in LA eating at a restaurant and even acknowledged being "wanted" about a year or so ago?  Pretty sure I'm right.  I **hope** that the Feds were building their case against her and needed time.  That plea deal that Acosta got for Epstein in Florida completely exonerated Maxwell and others.  

 

Side note:  the fact that Acosta got a job in Trump's cabinet needs to be brought up repeatedly between now and election day.  ALL of us, regardless of political leanings, should be outraged at this.  It needs to be Biden's sledge hammer.  There is no way to sugar coat this:  Donald Trump gave a cabinet position to a man who ensured one of the world's biggest child rapists got off nearly Scott free.  

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Just now, General Malaise said:

Wasn't Maxwell spotted in LA eating at a restaurant and even acknowledged being "wanted" about a year or so ago?  Pretty sure I'm right.  I **hope** that the Feds were building their case against her and needed time.  That plea deal that Acosta got for Epstein in Florida completely exonerated Maxwell and others.  

 

Side note:  the fact that Acosta got a job in Trump's cabinet needs to be brought up repeatedly between now and election day.  ALL of us, regardless of political leanings, should be outraged at this.  It needs to be Biden's sledge hammer.  There is no way to sugar coat this:  Donald Trump gave a cabinet position to a man who ensured one of the world's biggest child rapists got off nearly Scott free.  

If its the same spotting that I'm thinking about, they figured out it was a picture from an earlier date due to one of the movie ads in the background.

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4 minutes ago, KiddLattimer said:

If its the same spotting that I'm thinking about, they figured out it was a picture from an earlier date due to one of the movie ads in the background.

So the encounter and picture from In and Out is a fake/old?  Did not know that. 

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:tinfoilhat:Has anyone seen pictures of her in jail, how do we know she was actually arrested. 

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26 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

hard to know what to believe anymore

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4 hours ago, jplvr said:

She's totally safe. They're only charging her with crimes from 94-97. Clinton didn't start flying on the jet until 2001. 

Trump was hanging with Epstein right around then :coffee:

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4 minutes ago, The General said:

Trump was hanging with Epstein right around then :coffee:

Right, but if they don’t get everyone, assuming they get anyone, you’re fine if it just gets Trump? If Trump was involved, bury him, but I want them all to burn. 

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3 minutes ago, jplvr said:

Right, but if they don’t get everyone, assuming they get anyone, you’re fine if it just gets Trump? If Trump was involved, bury him, but I want them all to burn. 

I assumed you were doing some Hillary is a murderer shtick.

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Just now, The General said:

I assumed you were doing some Hillary is a murderer shtick.

Oh. Yes. Carry on. 

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IIRC the circulated photos supposedly from L.A. were speculated upon as possibly being photoshopped at the time. It was a weird looking photo, the only question was who was doing it. It's still worth finding out how it circulated because that's more important - the media cycle and how powerful people access it and use it - than the actual photoshopping at this point.

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18 hours ago, jplvr said:

His first criminal complaint was filed in 1996, and the girl worked for him in 1996, according to his Wiki. His first criminal indictment started in 2005 with another complaint. He was arrested in 2006.

I was making a joke btw. Some Trump guy suggested to me it was fishy because that's when Trump had contact with Epstein. So I looked it up, and sure enough, in a 2011 article, Trump said he kicked out Epstein 15 years ago. Then I wondered when Clinton was hanging out with him, and that looks to be from 2001-2005 according to the flight records. Is it fishy? I don't know. Edit: But in the end, Trump was friends with him in 96, when he was first accused (NYC). Bill was with him when he was recruiting girls in Florida.

I do find it fishy she was missing all of this time and just appears to get caught. Did she turn herself in? Just mess up? Seems like she was in deep hiding previously, supposedly in Europe. Why in the world would she come back here and not stay in France, where she'd likely never be extradited?

One strange element of this is that tabloids, as sometimes happens (Edwards, Hart are two examples), the scandal sheets actually have better real time reporting than MSM who will not go near these salacious stories.

So here the Daily Mail had some detail back in the day - 2011.
 

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Between 2000 and 2001, Andrew and Ghislaine were together on no fewer than eight occasions.

Epstein was present at four of the meetings – at the Mar-a-Lago club in Florida (from where Virginia was recruited), in Phuket, at a weekend party at Sandringham, and at Windsor Castle. In addition, Andrew has often been seen at Epstein’s grand New York townhouse.

So if true this places JE/GM at Maralago in 2000-01.

I'll also say I think there's something odd about Trump's supposedly throwing JE out. First of all he lies constantly, about everything, and his motive is always (always) personal. Secondly there is nothing on the record on this. Third as far as we know Trump Org has never been subpoenaed for records surrounding JE's hunting ground. Fourth we know Trump had zero compunction with JE before it all started to become public, in fact Trump actively recruited JE to be active (socially I mean) at Maralago.

I don't think or want this to be about politics. It's true that Trumpists are right when they say there is too much consumption and obsession about the "bad" in OMB. - However the Maralago aspect is an important piece of this. But it's obviously not the whole thing. According to the GM indictment these three victims were at JE homes in not only South Florida (which IIRC the indictment actually says "Palm Beach") but also NYC, New Mexico and London. So there's either getting girls from SoFla to those remote locales or recruiting near them. The methodology of their predation will be a big part of what emerges here I'd think.

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14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

One strange element of this is that tabloids, as sometimes happens (Edwards, Hart are two examples), the scandal sheets actually have better real time reporting than MSM who will not go near these salacious stories.

So here the Daily Mail had some detail back in the day - 2011.
 

So if true this places JE/GM at Maralago in 2000-01.

I'll also say I think there's something odd about Trump's supposedly throwing JE out. First of all he lies constantly, about everything, and his motive is always (always) personal. Secondly there is nothing on the record on this. Third as far as we know Trump Org has never been subpoenaed for records surrounding JE's hunting ground. Fourth we know Trump had zero compunction with JE before it all started to become public, in fact Trump actively recruited JE to be active (socially I mean) at Maralago.

I don't think or want this to be about politics. It's true that Trumpists are right when they say there is too much consumption and obsession about the "bad" in OMB. - However the Maralago aspect is an important piece of this. But it's obviously not the whole thing. According to the GM indictment these three victims were at JE homes in not only South Florida (which IIRC the indictment actually says "Palm Beach") but also NYC, New Mexico and London. So there's either getting girls from SoFla to those remote locales or recruiting near them. The methodology of their predation will be a big part of what emerges here I'd think.

A 2001 Maralago appearance would definitely change the Trump narrative, but that's the first I've heard of it. His ardent supporters point towards him being so confident in "speaking out" about Epstein, they think he never knew anything. Trouble is, he's always confident to a fault. 

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21 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Don't much care for the name Ghislaine. There, I said it.

I don't even know how to pronounce it.

Is it a hard G like Gif?

Or a soft G like Gif?

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22 minutes ago, The Gator said:

I don't even know how to pronounce it.

Is it a hard G like Gif?

Or a soft G like Gif?

Hard G. gee-LAYNE

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I just started this Tim Dillon/Whitney Webb podcast. Not sure what's in here yet, but looking over her Twitter, it seems like she's really been into this. She retweeted a Tim Dillon tweet pointing a finger at Barr. There's an awkward climate change conference, fake ad skit Dillon does at first, and she comes on a little after 8:40. Edit: go to 33:00 if you want to just dive in where she starts talking about the Maxwell family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udH8rIaC33k

Here's her Twitter, if you want to look over before devoting nearly 2 hours. She could be a kook for all I know; I've never heard of her.

https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb?lang=en

And there's this:

https://twitter.com/TimJDillon/status/1279266146839957505?s=20

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1 hour ago, Apple Jack said:

Hard G. gee-LAYNE

Wow I was way off. Was pronouncing it

gizz-layne

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21 minutes ago, Don't Toews Me said:

And also (sorry) Russia.

DB just settled this TODAY.

Again this is the prosecutor's office that Trump-Barr were interfering with near midnight a couple Fridays ago.

 

Deutsche Bank Settles Over Ignored Red Flags on Jeffrey Epstein

The German lender repeatedly overlooked suspicious transactions, including payments to people a New York regulator described as his co-conspirators.

Payments to his alleged co-conspirators. Money wired to Russian models. A cash withdrawal of $100,000 for “tips and household expenses.”

When Jeffrey Epstein moved his money, Deutsche Bank didn’t ask many questions.

In a $150 million settlement to be announced on Tuesday, the New York Department of Financial Services said that Mr. Epstein, a convicted sex offender, engaged in suspicious transactions for years, even though Deutsche Bank had deemed him a “high risk” client from the moment he became a customer in summer 2013.

“Despite knowing Mr. Epstein’s terrible criminal history, the bank inexcusably failed to detect or prevent millions of dollars of suspicious transactions,” Linda A. Lacewell, the department’s superintendent, said in a statement.

A year and a day after Mr. Epstein was arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges, the settlement described how bank employees relied on informal meetings and institutional momentum to allow suspicious activity to proceed largely unchecked. Instead of performing appropriate due diligence on Mr. Epstein and the activity in his accounts, regulators wrote, the bank was focused on his potential to “generate millions of dollars of revenue as well as leads for other lucrative clients.”

Deutsche Bank acknowledged that it had erred in bringing Mr. Epstein on as a client and that its processes had been weak. “Our reputation is our most valuable asset and we deeply regret our association with Epstein,” a bank spokesman, Daniel Hunter, said in a statement.

In a message to employees on Tuesday, the bank’s chief executive, Christian Sewing, said taking Mr. Epstein on was a “critical mistake and should never have happened.” He urged them to read the settlement document and “learn the appropriate lessons” from the bank’s past conduct.

“We all have to help ensure that this kind of thing does not happen again,” Mr. Sewing wrote.

The settlement — the first regulatory action taken against a financial institution in connection with Mr. Epstein — provides a glimpse into the mysterious finances of the self-described tax guru and financial adviser.

According to regulators, Mr. Epstein, who killed himself in a jail cell in New York last year while awaiting trial, sent $2.65 million in 120 wire transfers through accounts established in the name of an entity called the Butterfly Trust. Some of those payments — as well as money from other accounts — went to three people who had been named as co-conspirators in suits by Mr. Epstein’s accusers that were related to his 2008 guilty plea to prostitution charges in Florida.

Regulators did not name the co-conspirators in the settlement document. The settlement, citing published reports over those suits, describes the first two as having invoked their Fifth Amendment rights and the third as having been accused of recruiting girls for Mr. Epstein.

Four women were named as potential co-conspirators in the nonprosecution agreement Mr. Epstein reached with federal prosecutors that led to his plea to state charges in 2008. Another woman — Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime confidante and business associate of Mr. Epstein — was charged last week by federal prosecutors in Manhattan with helping him recruit and groom teenage girls he abused at his lavish residences in New York, Florida and New Mexico.

Upon his death, Mr. Epstein left behind an estate valued at more than $600 million that is the subject of litigation by the attorney general of the United States Virgin Islands, where Mr. Epstein had lived and worked for nearly two decades. The attorney general, Denise George, has sued the estate, alleging that a company Mr. Epstein established there, Southern Trust Company, was a sham operation that Mr. Epstein used to mislead the territory and receive a lucrative tax break.

It was Southern Trust — and a similarly named subsidiary, Southern Financial — that opened the first of Mr. Epstein’s accounts with Deutsche Bank in 2013. Over the next five years, Mr. Epstein, his related entities and his associates opened more than 40 accounts with the bank, the settlement said.

Over the years, activities in those accounts were repeatedly questioned by Deutsche Bank employees, who were ignored by their superiors.

According to the settlement, an unnamed executive emailed the manager in charge of the relationship with Mr. Epstein in 2013, before any accounts were opened. The executive said he had spoken to two other top bank officials and neither had suggested that a relationship with Mr. Epstein required a risk review, and could move forward.

Bank officials frequently pointed to that email as a reason to keep him as a client or accommodate his wishes, the settlement said. That included setting up the Butterfly Trust accounts for him in 2014, even though, the settlement said, the accounts’ connection to the alleged co-conspirators created a “very real risk” that payments could be used to further or cover up criminal activity.

In 2015, after a specialist in the anti-money-laundering department raised concerns about the bank’s continued relationship with Mr. Epstein, a department manager and the executive who wrote the email two years earlier met with Mr. Epstein at his Manhattan townhouse to discuss new allegations of abuse contained in civil suits. The settlement said bank officials “appeared to be satisfied by Mr. Epstein’s response” and the relationship continued.

And when the bank later set conditions for monitoring Mr. Epstein’s activity, the settlement said, they were poorly communicated, creating confusion. Anti-money-laundering specialists interpreted the guidance to mean that unusual activity should be flagged only if it was unusual for Mr. Epstein — which led to an alert about payments to a Russian model and a Russian publicity agent being dismissed because the transactions were “normal for this client,” according to an email cited in the settlement.

At the end of 2018 — after The Miami Herald published details of Mr. Epstein’s nonprosecution agreement with federal prosecutors from a decade earlier — the bank decided it could no longer keep Mr. Epstein as a client. But an unnamed bank employee who managed the institution’s relationship with him still drafted reference letters to send to other banks, on Deutsche Bank letterhead, according to the settlement.

“Banks are the first line of defense with respect to preventing the facilitation of crime through the financial system, and it is fundamental that banks tailor the monitoring of their customers’ activity based upon the types of risk that are posed by a particular customer,” said Ms. Lacewell, the regulator’s superintendent.

The settlement on Tuesday also covered compliance failures unrelated to Mr. Epstein. The department found that Deutsche Bank had not properly monitored transactions with Danske Bank Estonia and FBME Bank, a Tanzanian institution. As part of the agreement, Deutsche Bank promised to continue its work with an independent monitor — in place since 2017 — to improve its compliance systems.

While the settlement described a long list of missteps by Deutsche Bank, it praised the bank for its “exemplary cooperation.” It also said the bank had cut ties with other high-risk clients.

In a statement, the bank said it has invested nearly $1 billion in training and oversight, and had beefed up its anti-financial crime division.

“It is our duty and our social responsibility to ensure that our banking services are used only for legitimate purposes,” Mr. Sewing said in his message to employees. “That’s exactly why we should always examine things critically, ask questions and speak up.”

The settlement is just the latest black eye for Deutsche Bank over legal and regulatory mistakes. Those include punishments by federal and state regulators, as well as the British authorities, for failing to stop Russian money laundering. And in 2015, Deutsche Bank agreed to pay $2.5 billion in penalties to settle accusations that it had manipulated the London interbank offered rate, or Libor.

Deutsche Bank has also attracted scrutiny for its relationship with President Trump and his family. It has been the long-running lender for Mr. Trump and has been the target of subpoenas from congressional investigators and state prosecutors.

Some of the payments Mr. Epstein made from his Deutsche Bank accounts were “inherently suspicious,” regulators wrote. Those included multiple settlement payments totaling more than $7 million and payments totaling more than $6 million for what regulators said appeared to be legal expenses for himself and for people the settlement identified as co-conspirators.

Other transactions — even if harmless — should have raised alarms, regulators wrote.

One of Mr. Epstein’s personal lawyers made $800,000 in withdrawals for Mr. Epstein over a four-year period. Regulators said the bank never got a good explanation for those withdrawals, except that Mr. Epstein needed the money for travel, expenses and paying tips.

According to the settlement, the unnamed lawyer twice asked bank officials how much money could be withdrawn without triggering some kind of alert. Suspicious that he was attempting to circumvent federal regulations that require cash transactions of $10,000 or more to be reported to the government, bank employees spoke to the lawyer.

The settlement said the lawyer denied trying to avoid such a report, and bank officials allowed him to continue making withdrawals on Mr. Epstein’s behalf — including taking out $100,000 at a branch on Park Avenue, not far from Mr. Epstein’s townhouse.

 

 

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1 hour ago, jplvr said:

I just started this Tim Dillon/Whitney Webb podcast. Not sure what's in here yet, but looking over her Twitter, it seems like she's really been into this. She retweeted a Tim Dillon tweet pointing a finger at Barr. There's an awkward climate change conference, fake ad skit Dillon does at first, and she comes on a little after 8:40. Edit: go to 33:00 if you want to just dive in where she starts talking about the Maxwell family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udH8rIaC33k

Here's her Twitter, if you want to look over before devoting nearly 2 hours. She could be a kook for all I know; I've never heard of her.

https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb?lang=en

And there's this:

https://twitter.com/TimJDillon/status/1279266146839957505?s=20

Last few minutes of this seem pretty depressing. She said they admit she's a pedophile in the indictment (I haven't read it), and then they just charge her with transporting minors. Expects her to get bail because of the minor charges. I think it was around 1:15:00 they talked about Trump and Clinton. The Clinton's were involved with Epstein prior to that, dating back to Arkansas... 91, at least, and I think in the 80's. Trump definitely was before and during the time period they are focusing. She makes a claim Trump screwed over Epstein in a real estate deal (shocker), and then claims Epstein was trying to set-up Trump with a minor (paraphrasing here). Also claims Trumps former wife went out with Ghislaine and recruited girls. I'm less hopeful anything will come of this. There's some kook involved after the part about Trump and Clinton, but I don't know if it's incorrect.

Oh, she thinks neither Trump nor Clinton will get caught up in this, even if they're guilty of something, due to the less severe charges. Time period also gives a lot of high profile people an out, but I forget the names in that exchange. I think everyone is going to get blue balled on this one, sadly.

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On 7/5/2020 at 11:15 AM, ren hoek said:

Alan Dershowitz @AlanDersh

I hope Epstein made videos

There have been suggestions that Epstein made secret videos of all the men who had sex in his houses and planes. I hope he did and they are all revealed, because they will prove I am not among them. I hereby waive any right of privacy in Epstein videos.

wint @dril

Replying to @AlanDersh

Hello Alan this is your lawer speaking. I am advising you today to please keep posting this ####

I recognize completely that there is evidence suggesting that Dershowitz may be complicit or may have engaged in some of the alleged behaviors, but I'd point out that Dershowitz isn't stupid. And he's made several public allegations himself lately (particularly, the accusation that the Netflix documentary dishonored an agreement and that two of the main victims in the documentary have arguable histories of making false allegations). I say this not to try to side with Dershowitz, but merely to point out that he's smart enough to not make these allegations and public statements unless there is some objective support to them. 

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12 minutes ago, Zow said:

I recognize completely that there is evidence suggesting that Dershowitz may be complicit or may have engaged in some of the alleged behaviors, but I'd point out that Dershowitz isn't stupid. And he's made several public allegations himself lately (particularly, the accusation that the Netflix documentary dishonored an agreement and that two of the main victims in the documentary have arguable histories of making false allegations). I say this not to try to side with Dershowitz, but merely to point out that he's smart enough to not make these allegations and public statements unless there is some objective support to them. 

Or he is desperate?

 

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2 minutes ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

Or he is desperate?

 

Then he shuts the #### up. 

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Dersh is not the average big mouth client who won't shut up in the press. He has been personally intervening, seeking release of sealed documents to himself only and suing for defamation (IIRC) against the lead victim while also seeking discovery. This man has been actively using the discovery and court process to unravel information which might affect him personally and others.

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3 hours ago, Zow said:

Then he shuts the #### up. 

People even if they are smart do not always act rationally, particularly if they are being squeezed. 

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19 minutes ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

People even if they are smart do not always act rationally, particularly if they are being squeezed. 

No doubt. And I do suppose there are heart doctors that may smoke or be obese. But I have a hard time believes Dersh would do something this stupid if it really is stupid. 

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Would it be that hard to put her up in a decent room and keep some guards on her til she testifies?  To keep her alive for at least a little while?  

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42 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Would it be that hard to put her up in a decent room and keep some guards on her til she testifies?  To keep her alive for at least a little while?  

They're keeping her on a short leash, or at least one short enough it keeps her feet off the floor.

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1 hour ago, ren hoek said:

Everything is right on schedule 

AP: Feds worried Maxwell may kill herself

I’ve always liked the COVID angle. Put her on a ventilator for a few weeks and have her lose her battle with the virus. More topical. Another jail suicide would just be lazy writing.

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3 hours ago, ren hoek said:

Everything is right on schedule 

AP: Feds worried Maxwell may kill herself

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The Justice Department has added extra security precautions and placed federal officials outside the Bureau of Prisons in charge of ensuring there is adequate protection for Maxwell. That’s to help prevent other inmates from harming her and to stop her from harming herself, the official said.

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The other protocols put in place for Maxwell’s confinement include ensuring that she has a roommate in her cell, that she is monitored and that someone is always with her while she’s behind bars, the official said.

Strauss means business.

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The Bureau of Prisons - run by AG Barr and his DOJ, folks - is the problem here. Having oversight on the BOP in its own damned jail is a big deal IMO.

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:lmao:
 

FBI details on Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest:

- Agents had to breach the door cause she wouldn’t open up.

- They found a cell phone wrapped in tin foil, “seemingly misguided effort to avoid detection.”

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6 minutes ago, The Gator said:

:lmao:
 

FBI details on Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest:

- Agents had to breach the door cause she wouldn’t open up.

- They found a cell phone wrapped in tin foil, “seemingly misguided effort to avoid detection.”

And this chick is rumored to be an intelligence asset...

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BREAKING: A federal judge officially DENIES bail to Ghislaine Maxwell.

She will stay in jail before trial.

 

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I am not sure if this is relevant, but it seems interesting:

 

Tony Morrison  • ABC News @THETonyMorrison

According to federal prosecutors in NY, #GhislaineMaxwell is currently married.

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24 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

I don't understand why the tinfoil didn't work.

I need to rethink my entire strategy....

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6 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Ghislaine did NOT commit suicide next week!!

She simply slipped and fell on the way to the shower next Wednesday and broke her neck.  Accidents happen ya know.  

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:tinfoilhat:mode engaged, but some horrible news from NJ tonight.


A Federal judge's home was attacked tonight when a man dressed as a Fedex driver knocked on the door, then shot her son and husband (the son has died). She had been assigned a Deutsche Bank money laundering case with ties to Jeffrey Epstein on July 15th. The judge was in the basement during the attack and is unharmed, the gunman fled the scene and is at large. 

 

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4 hours ago, mcintyre1 said:

:tinfoilhat:mode engaged, but some horrible news from NJ tonight.


A Federal judge's home was attacked tonight when a man dressed as a Fedex driver knocked on the door, then shot her son and husband (the son has died). She had been assigned a Deutsche Bank money laundering case with ties to Jeffrey Epstein on July 15th. The judge was in the basement during the attack and is unharmed, the gunman fled the scene and is at large. 

 

Whoa

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