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Jeffrey Epstein: there is definitely nothing to see here folks, I am feeling very sleepy, I think I'll take a nice nap.

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15 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I thought everyone was going to be on the same side this time... :kicksrock:

I'd sort of hoped for it, yes.

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2 minutes ago, Mookie said:

Everyone should be concerned about Clinton and the scores of others that could/will be implicated, but you and FoxNews seemed to be turning this into a political issue by just pointing out Clinton's involvement to avoid the Epstein stink.  Clinton and anyone else linked to Epstein and those flights should be investigated because it's possible they participated in Epstein's scheme to have sexual relations with underage girls.  The issue is not political - it's about sexual assault.

I am not making it political. I have made my comments about that anyone involved should face the consequences including Trump.

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Why would Democrats even care if something happens to Bill Clinton?  It’s not like he has power anymore.  

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I'm sure its completely unrelated, but I'm reminded of this anecdote about Donald Trump:

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.

Mr Trump said on the Howard Stern radio show in 2005 that he was “allowed”, as the owner of the pageant, to go backstage while the contestants were getting dressed.

“You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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1 minute ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Why would Democrats even care if something happens to Bill Clinton?  It’s not like he has power anymore.  

So you wouldn't care if he was involved with Epstein and the underage girls while he was President?

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11 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

It says he didn't have Secret Service protection on at least 5 flights.

So then somewhat less than the 26 in your initial posting, is that correct?

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1 minute ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

So then somewhat less than the 26 in your initial posting, is that correct?

He took at least 26 flights on his jet and at least 5 without Secret Service according to that article. I edited the post so it was more clear. I apologize about the confusion.

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Just now, John Blutarsky said:

So you wouldn't care if he was involved with Epstein and the underage girls while he was President?

Read what I wrote again.

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Just now, John Blutarsky said:

So you wouldn't care if he was involved with Epstein and the underage girls while he was President?

Politically speaking, no.  At this point Bill's involvement won't be something Democrats defend for political reasons.  Just as you've seen in this thread, not a single Democrat that I am aware of has said anything other than if he's guilty, put him behind bars.  :shrug:

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Just now, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Read what I wrote again.

It's almost like they think Hillary is President, how much they bring up her and her family 3 years latter...

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24 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I thought everyone was going to be on the same side this time... :kicksrock:

Unbelievable on this one

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2 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

He took at least 26 flights on his jet and at least 5 without Secret Service according to that article.

Actually it does not say at least, and the 26 number is based on one news account, it is not yet the accepted number.  Care to revise your statement downward one more time to comport with the link  you posted. 

 

It is all bad enough, yet you seem to have deliberately tried to make it worse.  Perhaps I mistake your intent, but given two tries to get it right, and still conflating it, well, I do not believe that I have.

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2 minutes ago, yak651 said:

It's almost like they think Hillary is President, how much they bring up her and her family 3 years latter...

He's brought up because of his relationship with Epstein. Why does that bother so many of you?  You all know if that was a Republican President at the time you'd be talking about it.

Everyone that was involved with Epstein and the underage girls should face consequences.

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2 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Actually it does not say at least, and the 26 number is based on one news account, it is not yet the accepted number.  Care to revise your statement downward one more time to comport with the link  you posted. 

 

It is all bad enough, yet you seem to have deliberately tried to make it worse.  Perhaps I mistake your intent, but given two tries to get it right, and still conflating it, well, I do not believe that I have.

From the article

Fox News reported Friday that records show Mr. Clinton declined Secret Service protection on at least five flights.

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6 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

He took at least 26 flights on his jet and at least 5 without Secret Service according to that article. I edited the post so it was more clear. I apologize about the confusion.

Well, apology accepted.  I am easily confused so I tend to explore my confusion.  No worries.

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1 minute ago, John Blutarsky said:

He's brought up because of his relationship with Epstein. Why does that bother so many of you?  You all know if that was a Republican President at the time you'd be talking about it.

Everyone that was involved with Epstein and the underage girls should face consequences.

Very :goodposting:

 

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19 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

It says he didn't have Secret Service protection on at least 5 flights.

I agree that Bill could be in some hot water.   Although, taking flights with a pedophile, while bad, certainly is not as bad as having rape allegations against you (with corroborating evidence) stemming from and likely facilitated by that same pedophile.   That would be career ending...

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2 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

From the article

Fox News reported Friday that records show Mr. Clinton declined Secret Service protection on at least five flights.

I was referring to what you wrote when you wrote at least 26 flights, as if you wished to imply that the number were higher, not the at least 5 times as to secret service protection from the article.  Anyhow, no worries.  I now have a clear picture as to you, if not as to the extent of bill Clinton's behavior. 

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Just now, Ditkaless Wonders said:

I was referring to what you wrote when you wrote at least 26 flights, as if you wished to imply that the number were higher, not the at least 5 times as to secret service protection.  Anyhow, no worries.  I now have a clear picture as to you, if not as to the extent of bill Clinton's behavior. 

I edited the post. :thumbup:

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6 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I agree that Bill could be in some hot water.   Although, taking flights with a pedophile, while bad, certainly is not as bad as having rape allegations against you (with corroborating evidence) stemming from and likely facilitated by that same pedophile.   That would be career ending.....

Oh ZINGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Oh ZINGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

111 exclamation points.  Was that number deliberate, or did you just hold down the key and let it run?  If deliberate what is the significance?

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Mods> can you find a way to pin a post about Clintons involvement ?  maybe then, the 26 flights (5 without secret service) wouldn't have to be repeated every couple of pages.

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So, what are the odds Trump was not involved with this child pedophile ring? 

2%?  5%?  as high as 10%?  I'd say less than 5%.

I'd wager that Slick Willy is involved too.  50% chance for him.

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fascinating case.  Just marking it for easy access later. 

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1 hour ago, Biff84 said:

Was he named? If not Trump’s MO is to wait he absolutely has to. As soon as he fires him, he’s gonna need to answer questions about vetting, if they knew, etc and he’s gonna avoid that as long as possible.

And if you go with the full on conspiracy that Acosta was appointed as a reward for what he did, him talking about who made those promises to him could be damning legally. I’d guess that Acosta is safe for now and Trump will be rage tweeting against the DOJ soon.

Whats Jim Acosta got to do with this?

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27 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

He's brought up because of his relationship with Epstein. Why does that bother so many of you?  You all know if that was a Republican President at the time you'd be talking about it.

Everyone that was involved with Epstein and the underage girls should face consequences.

The President at the time of Epstein's alleged crimes and plea deal was George W. Bush.  Is anyone talking about it?

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What prosecutors have said, is they found devastatingly incriminating evidence in a locked safe in Epstein’s home, including photos of underaged women. What they did not say is if this was blackmail material, and if anyone else was in those photos?

If not, why the #### would he keep those?

https://twitter.com/helenkennedy/status/1148278733993914368?s=21

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

The President at the time of Epstein's alleged crimes and plea deal was George W. Bush.  Is anyone talking about it?

Did Bush fly on this plane without Secret Service?

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1 minute ago, Mr. Ham said:

What prosecutors have said, is they found devastatingly incriminating evidence in a locked safe in Epstein’s home, including photos of underaged women. What they did not say is if this was blackmail material, and if anyone else was in those photos?

If not, why the #### would he keep those?

https://twitter.com/helenkennedy/status/1148278733993914368?s=21

Because he is a sick man and probably arrogant in thinking he would get away with it.

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18 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

111 exclamation points.  Was that number deliberate, or did you just hold down the key and let it run?  If deliberate what is the significance?

My house number. Squistion knows the town, now just need the street

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2 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

The President at the time of Epstein's alleged crimes and plea deal was George W. Bush.  Is anyone talking about it?

 

4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

The President at the time of Epstein's alleged crimes and plea deal was George W. Bush.  Is anyone talking about it?

Are you quite certain it was not Dick Cheney?

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8 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

Did Bush fly on this plane without Secret Service?

Maybe I misunderstood you.  "If that was a Republican President at the time you'd be talking about it" = it was a Republican President at the time.  This didn't happen under Clinton's watch (figuratively speaking, of course - it may have literally.)  

Bill Clinton should be heavily investigated and arrested if he committed any crimes.  That has nothing to do with what should happen to any Republicans who also may be involved.

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1 minute ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

 

Are you quite certain it was not Dick Cheney?

I am not.  And I certainly don't wish to be shot in the face over that kind of mistake.

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Just now, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Peppered.

Either way, I do not wish to be peppered in the face and then forced to apologize on television for being in the way of Cheney's gun.

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Cheney's got a gun

Cheneys got a gun

His whole world's come undone

 

From lookin' straight at the son (GWB)

What did his daddy do? (GHWB)

What did he put Dickey through?

They said when Cheney was arrested they found him running a train,

Yes he was playing conductor to  the engineer played by Jeffrey Ep Stain.

But man, he had it comin'

Now that Cheney's got a gun he ain't never gonna be the same

 

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20 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Whats Jim Acosta got to do with this?

Nothing 

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I might have missed it but I would appreciate if someone could tell me many flights aboard Epstein's private jet did Clinton go on and were any taken without secret service?   

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It was nice to hear the border patrol get a shout out in the presser today. People forget all the other areas they cover.

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Let’s imagine shall we that Jeffrey Epstein photographed men with underaged women as blackmail material. And that the “hundreds or thousands” of photographs seized in his locked safe contain evidence against these men, and that one of these men is Donald Trump. 

And let’s further assume this evidence is part of a bigger, airtight case.

Might SDNY indict a sitting President under those circumstances?

If you think about it, it would be a thing of beauty.

Barr’s DOJ would likely fight tooth and nail up to Supreme Court, but the indictment would do its political damage. Despite pressure to reign, there’s no way Trump would. Meanwhile, he’d most likely lose the election in a landslide, and then face charges upon exit. 

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Rumor: 

 Epstein's lawyer has already made a proffer to SDNY. Epstein will agree to cooperate with the investigation, including giving up the names of individuals that paid for activities with underage girls in exchange for a maximum sentence not to exceed 5 years

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1 minute ago, Mr. Ham said:

Let’s imagine shall we that Jeffrey Epstein photographed men with underaged women as blackmail material. And that the “hundreds or thousands” of photographs seized in his locked safe contain evidence against these men, and that one of these men is Donald Trump. 

And let’s further assume this evidence is part of a bigger, airtight case.

Might SDNY indict a sitting President under those circumstances?

If you think about it, it would be a thing of beauty.

Barr’s DOJ would likely fight tooth and nail up to Supreme Court, but the indictment would do its political damage. Despite pressure to reign, there’s no way Trump would. Meanwhile, he’d most likely lose the election in a landslide, and then face charges upon exit. 

Disagree.  I don't think it would be good for the country for the President to be involved in something like this. 

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58 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

111 exclamation points.  Was that number deliberate, or did you just hold down the key and let it run?  If deliberate what is the significance?

I believe your count is off. 

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1 hour ago, John Blutarsky said:

I am not making it political. I have made my comments about that anyone involved should face the consequences including Trump.

Ham said it further up but truly everyone can be, should be and is united in this.

If there's a takeaway on the Clinton/Trump :argue: it's that whatever Epstein was up to it was agnostic as to party. He was dealing with academics, D and R, Big Money, and somewhere there is a story about where his money was flowing from. I don't see a problem with raising Clinton or that Trump himself flew on the Epstein plane (which he did). It's an open question what was going on with all of them. We don't know yet.

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2 hours ago, Bucky86 said:

Dershowitz confirmed to me last year that he received a massage "from an old old Russian" when he was vacationing at Epstein's Palm Beach home. Dershowitz claimed he never saw underage girls w Epstein, but said he was still advising the pedophile.

 

Gosh. I wonder why he felt the need to say "old old Russian?" 

Technically, isn't everyone old?

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This reminds me more of the DC Madam brothel and New Orleans brothel stories. We have compromising activities, we have sex for favors, we have money, we have illicit behavior going on out of the reach of the press and the authorities.

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4 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Rumor: 

 Epstein's lawyer has already made a proffer to SDNY. Epstein will agree to cooperate with the investigation, including giving up the names of individuals that paid for activities with underage girls in exchange for a maximum sentence not to exceed 5 years

 5 years would still be too little for the SOB.

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