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Breaking - Kareem Hunt RELEASED and unclaimed (1 Viewer)
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NutterButter
Footballguy
I don't think the ordinary fan or citizen gives a hoot about the Dungey support. My point was that there is a precedent for guys coming back from a lot worse.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Theres speculation that Rodger Goodell also forced some NFL team to sign him. Eagles took it given what Happen to Andy with his own sons in recent yrs. He changed his philosophy on troubled players as well then too.
Insein
Footballguy
Much like society now, pics or didn't happen. That's how our moral outrage operates. If we as a society didn't see anything, then we're not happy but it's "ok." The minute that video goes out, it's over.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Eh, running backs are now icing on the cake. Very few are actual difference makes who can elevate an average team into the playoffs, and Kareem Hunt is not one of those running backs.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Domestic would refer they are in a relationship which they aren't. It's assault. I'm no lawyer so I don't know the correct term for which assault but it wasn't domestic.
Shutout
Footballguy
I didn't see the titanic get hit by an iceberg but I know it sank.. Point being, I don't need the ingredients to be ab,e to smell what's cooking. My only comments are the actions seem to support how people are speaking of it.
Got it, so you are basing your opinions are what other people are saying. Instead of watching the video to form your own opinion.
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't want to get bogged down in the minutia of mining words. I guess I said do estic because people posted the link in this thread referring to the new zero tolerance policy of the NFL regarding domestic violence but technically, yeah, you're right.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
He violently assaulted her. Did you see him kick while she was on the ground ?
Come on man. there is a reason why he's gone.
No NFL team should or will support a coward who chooses to kick a woman on the ground.
Unfortunately for Hunt, the whole thing is on video for all to see.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
FIrst, what Hunt did, while completely inappropriate and irresponsible, wasn't NEARLY as violent as what Ray Rice did. Rice knocked a woman unconscious with a right hook and carried her unconscious body out of an elevator. There's no comparison between them aside from both men laying their hands (or foot) on a woman when they shouldn't have. Of course, if HUnt hadn't been restrained, he could've done some real damage there.
That said, it doesn't matter what she said or what she did, there's no justification for his reaction. None. Not only is he a public figure, he's twice as big as her and he had to know those actions are going to get out. He lost his cool and he's going to pay a steep price for it. He deserves to pay a steep price. He was a ####### idiot.
Second, with there being a video, that will be attached to him forever. If any team signs him again, it'll played repeatedly in that city and that team will have to live with a huge distraction and scrutiny on how they can sign a guy who can do that to a woman. That's going to rule out a lot of teams from even considering him.
And third, I'm not sure if Hunt will get another shot, but I won't be surprised if he does. It'll only take one owner. If he was past his prime probably not, but if he says and does the right things to try and clean up his image, I can definitely see a team feeling like his talent is worth the headache. Doubtful that happens until 2020 at the earliest though.
That said, it doesn't matter what she said or what she did, there's no justification for his reaction. None. Not only is he a public figure, he's twice as big as her and he had to know those actions are going to get out. He lost his cool and he's going to pay a steep price for it. He deserves to pay a steep price. He was a ####### idiot.
Second, with there being a video, that will be attached to him forever. If any team signs him again, it'll played repeatedly in that city and that team will have to live with a huge distraction and scrutiny on how they can sign a guy who can do that to a woman. That's going to rule out a lot of teams from even considering him.
And third, I'm not sure if Hunt will get another shot, but I won't be surprised if he does. It'll only take one owner. If he was past his prime probably not, but if he says and does the right things to try and clean up his image, I can definitely see a team feeling like his talent is worth the headache. Doubtful that happens until 2020 at the earliest though.
Shutout
Footballguy
My opinion, like yours, doesn't matter in the sense that you and I and everyone else on this board isn't going to post anythingor decide anything that is going to change a thing. I get it. It's cool if anyone and everyone has an opinion and they can certainly post it but you're really just trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here in splitting hairs over the irrelevant. The discussion should be in the outcome, not how each of us thinks about a fringe thought of one aspect.
We can all talk or not talk until the cows come home. It doesn't matter. All these posts le ding people's personal degree of "How bad was it" means nothing. When we wake up in the morning, hunt is still waived and on the exempt list and there are big football impacts and personal ones. That's what I'd like to discuss if we could, instead of challe going everyone's level of thinking or way of having an opinion.
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Bottom line is you are forming an opinion on a topic in which you have not even viewed the primary evidence that is being discussed.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
Lord, give it a rest. First of all, i said "if" that was the case, then it may come off as worse. That's just a statement.. A thought. A side note to the real story
Second, of all the opinions by several people here, that sentence shouldn't have you so butt hurt over it. People are posting left and right that it's worse, it's not, it's being compared to kaep and rice, etc,etc. That's a lot different than me just simply telling one person (and not you BTW) that I found their choice of words interesting by making it sound like it wasn't a simple isolated one instance.
It would make sense to view the main source of the topic before taking a stance on the issue.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
I will hold onto Hunt in my dynasty leagues for a while, but I believe it will be a wasted space.
The video will probably cost him his career, and I cant say that I disagree with the verdict if it goes that way.
Should be zero tolerance for this type of behavior in any profession.
Shutout
Footballguy
It would make sense for you to respond to the real opinions being posted (will he play again? If so, when? Impacts on ff. Impacts on real life people. Was this instance as bad as that one. What's up with the new nfl policy)...all those things, instead of latching on to me telling another poster very simply that their choice of words makes it sound like the perception is this and if so that is interesting and might carry weight.
You are seriously mispacing your energy here. You're reporting a sale at Macy's while the camera behind you is capturing an assassination. You're going to wake up in the morning and he's still out and the thread is still going to want to be talking about all the things I mentioned and not what one guy thought about another guy saying "several times" and what that may or may not have meant.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
mozzy84
Footballguy
That was my thought. Running back and video evidence of domestic violence while in the nfl. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he was done for good.
mozzy84
Footballguy
Thats the nfl double standard. It’s like it didn’t really happen if it happened in their minor leagues.
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DropKick
Footballguy
Not really "domestic" violence. I realize any violence with women involved gets the same reaction but a domestic situation, often systemic, is a different animal.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I don’t think there is anything to say in regards to the outcome Hunt got, it was deserved. That being said: Reggie Bush, Larry Johnson, Dez Bryant and Martellus Bennett white knighting around Twitter is exactly the #### that drives me crazy about America today. Because none of those four have been forgiven for their past indiscretions whether they be far smaller than Hunts or not.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I agree. He'll have to do "all the right things" -- show remorse, show maturity, give back to the community, etc. Do all those things and he'll be back in a year.
A year.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I remember people saying the exact same thing about Mixon. Let me direct you to the Bengals pro shop.
Top Women's Jerseys Sorted by Popularity
Mixon is the second most popular women's player jersey behind AJ Green.
Kareem Hunt will not only be on a team in 2019 but I'd put it at even money that he is claimed off waivers. Rice would still be in the NFL too if he had been 23 instead of knocking on the door of 30.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Given that he is on the Commissioners exempt list I'd have to say the GM that picks him up in the next 48 hours has to have some mighty cojones. As for the rest, I hesitate to speculate
gianmarco
Footballguy
Ray Rice is only 31 today. He just turned 27 when that incident happened.
There's was more to that than just his age.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
First, regarding the video, it looked like a lot of really drunk people arguing about stupid ####. I mean, many of the folks in that video could barely walk straight or stand up.
Second, this is on Hunt for lying to his team. Dude should have just told the truth. If he tells the truth to his bosses, IMO he's still on the roster.
Second, this is on Hunt for lying to his team. Dude should have just told the truth. If he tells the truth to his bosses, IMO he's still on the roster.
beerbuff
Footballguy
WTF? Are you daft or just plain loco? As to the fact that no charges were filed it is because neither party wanted to press charges and the police had a he said/she said situation and couldn't prove who started it. Saying he didn't do anything is just crazy. Clearly he was out of control and he did go after the girl and it was more than just flicking his foot at a 110 pound girl. It doesn't matter who started it, what matters is that he lied to the team and probably the NFL also. Now they see what he did and he is going to suffer the consequences for his behavior.
tombonneau
Footballguy
He was coming off a 600/3ypc season. If his incident happened after his second-year 1300/ypc season, you honestly don't think he would be on a team right now? I agree it was/is a complex situation, but age/production were definitely a factor in if he was worth the initial PR headache for a team to sign.
But we can just wait for Bovada or Bodawg or whatever it is called now to release their "WIll Kareem Hunt by signed by another NFL team?" prop bet. My guess -300 YES and +180 NO.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Honestly, it's cliche to say, but Gruden/Raiders seem like a team/coach that can take the PR hit. Lost season. Moving to Vegas, so apathetic fans. Bad boy image. Hurt a division rival. Coach/GM doesn't have to worry about image/job security. Offense desperate for a RB.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
That's what I was saying. It wasn't his age. A big part was his recent ineffectiveness. Combine that with the optics of the video and that's why I think he never came back. If he was younger but the above remained the same, I don't think the result changes. If he was 27 and coming off a 1300 yard season, I think things might be different. Hence I think age had very little to do with his not returning.
AP was older when his trouble started but he was still effective. And the visual evidence wasn't as gruesome. He's still in the league in his 30s.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
this is accurate, as is your other posts regarding the law, but people will see what they want to see. They want to take this internet hero position and proclaim him to be the worst person alive. it's what people/millenials do these days.
When I told my wife about this story and showed her the video (she is an attorney) she actually thought the girl was more criminally at fault than Hunt.
In cases where there is mutual assault (by the letter of the law), the person who delivered the most damage is usually charged (my wife has had several cases like that). This case had video evidence and the police still did not charge anyone. that speaks to the severity of the strikes delivered by both parties. one could say Hunt kicks like a girl I guess?
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Streetduck
Footballguy
The hotel policy was only give video to the police, the police in Cleveland never gave the video to the NFL. The victim and witness statements to the police were totally different so no one was charged. The police closed the investigation but the NFL did not. Hunt lied about what really happened. This is the first release of the video to the public. I have to say the NFL did nothing wrong here.
Take a swing or kick at my wife or daughter 0 power behind it or not you’ll be dealing with me. Anyone who thinks he did nothing wrong is just worried about their team be it the Chiefs or fantasy and that my friend is wrong.
msommer
Footballguy
I'm not claiming he won't sign with another team than the Chiefs ever. I'm stating that I doubt someone with claim him off waivers as you posited in the post I quoted.
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I don't think anyone is arguing Hunt did nothing wrong. I think there's just some concern about the punishment fitting the crime and the inconsistency of punishment that comes out of the NFL. Granted so far it's just been a punishment by the team and not the league.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I'm not sure when waivers run over weekend. But if there is a full 48 hour cycle and they run on Monday so everyone can let the initial shock wear off and digest the situation, I think there is a fair chance he is claimed. Especially on rookie deal.
Like I stated in previous post, Raiders are no brainer.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I think that's actually the best chance he has. The team can just ask Roger to keep him there until the matter is finally resolved. They get a roster exemption so he's not burning a spot they need for a guy on the field, and his salary is minimal as a 3rd round rookie contract. NFL waivers don't run until Monday so they have 3 days for Trump to do more moronic stuff and take some media attention away from Hunt. He won't get on the field until next year regardless so the new team won't catch nearly as much heat as if he were still active. I also think it's 50/50 he's claimed on waivers.
We'll get a good read on what teams think of his talent. If he's not someone they think is an elite talent he probably goes unclaimed but I know if this were Le'Veon Bell he'd be claimed by multiple teams so we'll see on Monday.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Raiders have a strong internal disdain for domestic abuse. Google Fred Biletnikoff' daughter.
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Jayrok
Footballguy
So did the Chiefs release him because of the video or because he lied to them about the incident? If the latter, I could see multiple teams desperately wanting to claim him but won't out of fear of a PR nightmare. But won't be surprised if a he gets claimed before Christmas.
The description of the video is worse than the actual footage, imo. Plenty of blame to share, but never good hit hit anyone, including women.
Disclaimer: not a Chiefs fan nor do I play league FF (only daily FF) so no horse in the race.
The description of the video is worse than the actual footage, imo. Plenty of blame to share, but never good hit hit anyone, including women.
Disclaimer: not a Chiefs fan nor do I play league FF (only daily FF) so no horse in the race.
