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Outgoing republicans brazenly stealing power from incoming Democrats. Enemies of Democracy. (1 Viewer)

jon_mx said:
My guess is many people are as disgusted by Democrats as you are by Republicans.  Open borders, big government handouts for everyone, high tax rates, ant-American rhetoric, also beholden to big money, etc.  
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I would have bet my house you would respond with whataboutism.  I would now have 2 houses.

 
Johnnymac said:
I would have bet my house you would respond with whataboutism.  I would now have 2 houses.
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People's reasons to support one side is a fact, it has nothing to do with a whataboutism.  There are tons if not a majority of GOP-voters who despise the Democrats and it does not matter who the GOP runs.  I have no idea how you twist that into a whataboutism.  

 
jon_mx said:
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Yeah this kinda reminds me of when one of the right leaning posters said “there’s nothing illegal or unethical about paying off your porn star mistress to keep quiet.”  There doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of daylight between what is considered legal and what is considered ethical for some folks.
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Yeah, it kind of reminds me how ridiculously partisan this forum has become.  
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😄

We all know you'd have the exact same stance on this if the roles were reversed.

 
jon_mx said:
the moops said:
You always just seem to gloss over the fact of them granting the extraordinary powers to the governor in the first place. And again jon, stop ####### complaining about how partisan this forum is. 
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I have clearly stated that many many times.  I am telling the full story.  You are telling a one-sides half-story full of ridiculous scare-mongering rhetoric.  

ETA:  And yes the forum is so far slanted to the left it is silly.  The mob with the helpful hand of the moderators have successfully chased away all pro-GOP posters.  
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You never tell the full story but I have no doubt that you believe you do. That's what makes you you.

Here's the thing: you're as big a partisan hack as anyone on this board. You're unique in that you lack any awareness of it.

 
honky kong said:
You never tell the full story but I have no doubt that you believe you do. That's what makes you you.

 Here's the thing: you're as big a partisan hack as anyone on this board. You're unique in that you lack any awareness of it.
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I think the entire portion of the FFA which intentionally avoids the PSF would rate many posters much higher on the partisan hack level than I.  I don't even like the GOP.  

 
jon_mx said:
I think the entire portion of the FFA which intentionally avoids the PSF would rate many posters much higher on the partisan hack level than I.  I don't even like the GOP.  
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You dislike the Democrats much, much more. It wouldn't be an issue except for the fact that you try to pretend to be impartial. You are not.

 
honky kong said:
You dislike the Democrats much, much more. It wouldn't be an issue except for the fact that you try to pretend to be impartial. You are not.
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I know I am not impartial.  But I am far more understanding of where Democrats come from than you understand where the GOP is coming from.  

 
jon_mx said:
It is not their choice to make.  Neither are entitled to those powers.  This is not that hard.  If Evers wants those powers he is going to have to figure out how to win the legislature.  I really don't care if he assumed he would have those powers.  That is his problem.  Most campaigns consists of a candidate over promising what they can deliver and really just because one candidate wins does not mean everything they ran on is a mandate from the people.  The election was 50-48, he barely won and the GOP kept the legislature.  
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It’s a killer 1-2 punch when combined with gerrymandering that ensures a republican legislature. The Republican Governor will always have more power than a democratic governor. If that looks like legit representative democracy to you then I can’t help you. You know this is sleazy Jon. 

 
jon_mx said:
It was not a retort, it was an explanation of why some people still support the GOP.  Much of the support of both sides is driven by hating the other side than about actually supporting their side.  That is a fact.  My so-called 'complaints' are how people see the Dems, just like some Dems see the GOP as the party of 'dark money, voter suppression, stealing elections, etc.  The party is a mob organization."  Both side's arguments are largely political rhetoric, but they are apparently effective.  
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At this point one sides description of the other...is factually accurate though.  The complaints you had about Democrats were falsehoods.

 
jon_mx said:
I think the entire portion of the FFA which intentionally avoids the PSF would rate many posters much higher on the partisan hack level than I.  I don't even like the GOP.  
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Why would the people who don’t come here rate who the hacks are in a forum they don’t visit?

 
jon_mx said:
They only stripped power the governor's office was not intended to have.  This is not difficult. All this is is rhetoric.   I believe in the balance of power between the branches, so IMO this is the correct thing to do and what they did wrong was to give the power in the first place.  
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So by that logic, the Republican majority was wrong for allowing the governorship to maintain powers that shouldn’t have been maintained, so long as their party controlled the governorship. Agree?

 
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bigbottom said:
So was the Republican majority unethical for allowing the governorship to maintain powers that shouldn’t have been maintained, so long as their party controlled the governorship?
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Unethical?  Perhaps.  They gave the governor the ability to make  regulatory changes which could impact citizens.  Sure when you largely agree with the governor it is probably more of a rubber stamp oversight, but you should still maintain the oversight regardless.

 
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jon_mx said:
Unethical?  Perhaps.  They gave the governor the ability to make  regulatory changes which could impact citizens.  Sure when you largely agree with the governor it is probably more of a rubber stamp oversight, but you should still maintain the oversight regardless.
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Yeah, after reading your subsequent responses, I edited my post (but not before you responded). Unethical, may not be the word you would use. Wrong might be the better term. 

 
bigbottom said:
So by that logic, the Republican majority was wrong for allowing the governorship to maintain powers that shouldn’t have been maintained, so long as their party controlled the governorship. Agree?
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Yes, that is a much better assessment than Enemies of Democracy.  

 
bigbottom said:
Yeah, after reading your subsequent responses, I edited my post (but not before you responded). Unethical, may not be the word you would use. Wrong might be the better term. 
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It seems to be the exact word that should be used.  When you place significant weight on WHO is in the office rather than the office itself in determining the powers of the position, that seems to be the very definition of dishonest, wrong, deceitful, unfair, fraudulent, underhanded, take your pick....all synonyms to unethical.  

 
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Sheriff Bart said:
I remember a time when one of the greatest things about the USA was the peaceful transfer of power after an election. 
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I did a search of "democracy" in this forum and came upon this thread, and this post.

Two years later and we have nearly the entire Republican party not accepting the results of an election. We have a president attempting a coup. Yes, it's a ridiculous attempt, but it's still an attempt. If this election had been closer, and it came down to one state, we could be in jeopardy of having a political party overturn an election. The president, before this election even began, laid the groundwork for fomenting division and distrust in our democracy. It's working (88% of Trump voters think Biden did not legitimately win the election). I have read many opinions on how serious this threat is to our democracy. Some people are trusting our system to do it's job (and the courts seem to be doing a good job so far). Others, such as Bill Kristol, are alarmed. I think the damage being done right now is going to take a long time to recover. I am not one to be an alarmist, but the current state of our politics are definitely at an all time low in my lifetime, and I struggle to see how we will ever get back to a functioning government.

 
Kilgore Trout said:
I did a search of "democracy" in this forum and came upon this thread, and this post.

Two years later and we have nearly the entire Republican party not accepting the results of an election. We have a president attempting a coup. Yes, it's a ridiculous attempt, but it's still an attempt. If this election had been closer, and it came down to one state, we could be in jeopardy of having a political party overturn an election. The president, before this election even began, laid the groundwork for fomenting division and distrust in our democracy. It's working (88% of Trump voters think Biden did not legitimately win the election). I have read many opinions on how serious this threat is to our democracy. Some people are trusting our system to do it's job (and the courts seem to be doing a good job so far). Others, such as Bill Kristol, are alarmed. I think the damage being done right now is going to take a long time to recover. I am not one to be an alarmist, but the current state of our politics are definitely at an all time low in my lifetime, and I struggle to see how we will ever get back to a functioning government.
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Unfortunately, I agree with you.  We're lucky that at least Trump is blindingly incompetent, but he's laying a game plan for the next guy to follow.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Unfortunately, I agree with you.  We're lucky that at least Trump is blindingly incompetent, but he's laying a game plan for the next guy to follow.
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We are also seeing Michigan with the Wayne County resisting certifying the election and now the belief that the State level GOP is not going to certify the vote at the State level that the Trump identity and tactics have seeped down to local politics. The problem may be worse than we thought. 

 
Ilov80s said:
We are also seeing Michigan with the Wayne County resisting certifying the election and now the belief that the State level GOP is not going to certify the vote at the State level that the Trump identity and tactics have seeped down to local politics. The problem may be worse than we thought. 
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My admittedly limited knowledge is that Michigan law does not allow the Legislature to directly select electors or to award electors to anyone other than the person who received the popular vote.   The only way the two legislators can do Trump's bidding is to violate their oaths and violate the Michigan constitution. 

The very fact that we're discussing this possibility is frightening and should concern all Americans that their president is behind this unpatriotic and un-American scheme. 

But his supporters continue to stand by him...

 
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