I’d posit that the majority of people reading this board in May play dynasty. This is not redraft season.I'm talking about redrafts. 99% of fantasy leagues are redrafts...always seems weird to me for people to assume discussion is dynasty based.
I’d posit that the majority of people reading this board in May play dynasty. This is not redraft season.I'm talking about redrafts. 99% of fantasy leagues are redrafts...always seems weird to me for people to assume discussion is dynasty based.
I would presume there is more best ball drafts than dynasty drafts...but this board does seem overly dynasty slanted.I’d posit that the majority of people reading this board in May play dynasty. This is not redraft season.
Probably not. I'd likely go wr, hope he slips to 2.1 in that scenario, and if not I'd have a good te to take.So if you team needed a WR (bad) and you needed a TE (pretty bad) would you still spend the 1.6 rookie pick on Henderson? I also have the 2.1 and 3.6. With all these recent posts about Henderson going in the mid to late 1st I'm no longer thinking he'd last to 2.1. A week ago I was sure I'd net Metcalf/AJ Brown/Deebo at 1.6 and Hendo would be there at 2.1...now I'm not so sure
ETA: but then again, Henderson is my overall #2 player in this draft so
I would presume there is more best ball drafts than dynasty drafts...but this board does seem overly dynasty slanted.
The sharks are playing best balls.
That vast majority of "experts" or guys that get paid to do fantasy analysis are more heavily involved in best balls than dynasty. That doesn't mean if you don't do best balls you're a guppy.I guess that makes me a guppy.
would you take him 1.1? assuming no trade partners to trade down?
Henderson is my #1.
It depends on situation. But I would consider Henderson in most spots. I like Montgomery too.would you take him 1.1? assuming no trade partners to trade down?
I played 100 redraft leagues last year drafting between June through the day of the season.I'm talking about redrafts. 99% of fantasy leagues are redrafts...always seems weird to me for people to assume discussion is dynasty based.
I was addressing Kamara's rookie year, obviously not last year where he was a consensus first round pick. That's why my original post said "two years ago."I played 100 redraft leagues last year drafting between June through the day of the season.
Kamara was drafted in all 100 leagues. Not sure what leagues he was not being drafted in. The ones with only 14 roster spots maybe. I don't play those kind of leagues I think that takes a lot of the skill out of it with such short benches and short starting lineups. Every league I play has 20 roster spots.
I played 100 redraft leagues last year drafting between June through the day of the season.
Kamara was drafted in all 100 leagues. Not sure what leagues he was not being drafted in. The ones with only 14 roster spots maybe. I don't play those kind of leagues I think that takes a lot of the skill out of it with such short benches and short starting lineups. Every league I play has 20 roster spots.
Yeah I drafted Kamara and Hunt in several redrafts their rookie year and won a ton of money off getting them everywhere. Except I was never able to snag Kamara in dynasty. But he was drafted in all my redrafts his rookie year. In my big auction redraft he got nominated pretty late. I got him for 5 on a 200 budget. So I'll say with shallow benches there were likely some redraft leagues out there that he wasn't drafted. A few here and there I'll believe it.I was addressing Kamara's rookie year, obviously not last year where he was a consensus first round pick. That's why my original post said "two years ago."
I'm comparing Kamara and Henderson's rookie seasons...because the Rams have compared Henderson to Kamara.
Christine Michael was a combine star. He wasn't that productive as a college player and was outperformed by team mates Ben Malena as a senior, and Cyrus Gray for the two seasons before that.I'm a little nervous this is going to turn into the Christine Michael thread. Particularly nervous because I owned Michael and now own Henderson...
Yeah it’s the tape for me. He shows potentially elite receiving ability and his burst/acceleration stuck out to me. Both of those are more subjective things. The burst was backed up somewhat by a great 10 yard split on the 40.ChuckLiddell said:He does not appear to be a special specimen in any way. Just looking at the numbers, not the tape.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/darrell-henderson
Tend to agree. Everything I've read is that MB is a 3 down back and Henderson is a COP guy. You don't pay up to keep Brown and then forget about him.BTW, in the article, it referenced Lance Dunbar, Nyheim Hines, & Ito Smith as guys in this ilk the Rams either signed (Dunbar) or liked in the draft & missed out on (Hines/Smith).
I believe we're looking at a true role player here with Henderson. As far as FF, the Rams O could give him a nice floor, but his ceiling is somewhat limited, IMO.
Did they really "pay up" for Brown? He got the going rate a 3rd strong rb was getting this offseason. Also, that was before they drafted Henderson. More of a red flag if they signed him post draft IMO, and for more than the going rate for a backup to the backup rbTend to agree. Everything I've read is that MB is a 3 down back and Henderson is a COP guy. You don't pay up to keep Brown and then forget about him.
I didn't mean to imply they paid a premium, maybe poor wording. But why match an offer sheet if your intention is to draft someone to replace himDid they really "pay up" for Brown? He got the going rate a 3rd strong rb was getting this offseason. Also, that was before they drafted Henderson. More of a red flag if they signed him post draft IMO, and for more than the going rate for a backup to the backup rb
The Lions offered a contract which was lower than what Brown would get if he had signed what the Rams offered initially. It had guaranteed money upfront which is probably why Brown signed. So matching the Lions offer was a nobrainer for the Rams FO. Why the Lions did the Rams this favor I don’t know but maybe they were more interested in CJ Anderson and wanted to force the Rams hand.I didn't mean to imply they paid a premium, maybe poor wording. But why match an offer sheet if your intention is to draft someone to replace him
He’s 10+ lbs heavier than those guys and was taken significantly higher in the draft. Just because he can do what those guys can do in the passing game doesn’t mean he’s limited to that. Personally I think if he would have landed in any number of other places there would be no doubt that he could be a featured player at 5’8 208. But the Rams saw that he could provide something of great value to them as a change up to Gurley and as a weapon in the passing game so they snagged him. If it turns out that his talent his legit then a Kamara/rich man’s White ceiling is pretty good.BTW, in the article, it referenced Lance Dunbar, Nyheim Hines, & Ito Smith as guys in this ilk the Rams either signed (Dunbar) or liked in the draft & missed out on (Hines/Smith).
I believe we're looking at a true role player here with Henderson. As far as FF, the Rams O could give him a nice floor, but his ceiling is somewhat limited, IMO.
He’s 10+ lbs heavier than those guys and was taken significantly higher in the draft. Just because he can do what those guys can do in the passing game doesn’t mean he’s limited to that. Personally I think if he would have landed in any number of other places there would be no doubt that he could be a featured player at 5’8 208. But the Rams saw that he could provide something of great value to them as a change up to Gurley and as a weapon in the passing game so they snagged him. If it turns out that his talent his legit then a Kamara/rich man’s White ceiling is pretty good.
Sure, the Rams like Henderson, but he's still a smaller RB. Henderson is similar to Abdullah in that I don't believe he's dynamic enough to cover for his lack of size (weight). In general, I'm surprised by the love Henderson has received in the FF community considering his lack of feature back traits. I believe it's in large part to Gurley's uncertainty, but even if Gurley continues to have problems, Henderson could easily get drafted over in the strong 2020 RB class. Henderson is likely to be much more valuable as an NFL player than in FF.He’s 10+ lbs heavier than those guys and was taken significantly higher in the draft. Just because he can do what those guys can do in the passing game doesn’t mean he’s limited to that. Personally I think if he would have landed in any number of other places there would be no doubt that he could be a featured player at 5’8 208. But the Rams saw that he could provide something of great value to them as a change up to Gurley and as a weapon in the passing game so they snagged him. If it turns out that his talent his legit then a Kamara/rich man’s White ceiling is pretty good.
He’s not small. Every time you think this delete what you write because you don’t understand the word.Sure, the Rams like Henderson, but he's still a smaller RB. Henderson is similar to Abdullah in that I don't believe he's dynamic enough to cover for his lack of size (weight). In general, I'm surprised by the love Henderson has received in the FF community considering his lack of feature back traits. I believe it's in large part to Gurley's uncertainty, but even if Gurley continues to have problems, Henderson could easily get drafted over in the strong 2020 RB class. Henderson is likely to be much more valuable as an NFL player than in FF.
Like I mentioned earlier, Henderson is going to be interesting for me because my view of him seems much different than the vast majority of FFers. I've been very successful vetting smaller RBs so I'm curious to see how this plays out long-term.
They didn't really pay up though. They acted in their best interests in that moment. This is how teams operate, they go with the current status quo. They have no idea who they might and might not draft, or might and might not be healthy, or might and might not be signed or traded for later. The team was in body-signing mode and signed a body they liked at that moment. That's all that was. Players get superceded all the time and teams don't operate like fantasy owners hoping to min/max their draft spreadsheets or rebuild their roster.Tend to agree. Everything I've read is that MB is a 3 down back and Henderson is a COP guy. You don't pay up to keep Brown and then forget about him.
It's all about weight, not BMI. BMI means nothing more than how stocky you are or aren't. A high BMI can mean you're strong depending on how much of your weight is lean muscle mass, but Henderson isn't a power runner & doesn't try to be.Calling someone with an 80th percentile BMI small is grossly negligent and borderline incompetent in this community.
It cost the Rams $3.25MM for two years ($1.62 per) in order to add some depth and to give them some flexibility in the draft. The Bears signed Mike Davis in free agency this year and the Browns signed Carlos Hyde last offseason for the same reasons and it didn't stop them from drafting a RB that was expected to supplant the veteran.I didn't mean to imply they paid a premium, maybe poor wording. But why match an offer sheet if your intention is to draft someone to replace him
There was never a time you wouldn't have had to use a first. He went in the first (at 1.09) in a draft the Monday immediately following draft weekend and at 1.07 in a draft that started three days later.Ugh. He's going to keep rising and I'm going to have to use my first on him....
-Gurley owner...
Abdullah was a lighter power back. As you state below that’s not Henderson’s game. I like EBF’s thoughts a couple pages back comparing him to Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles style wise. He just merely has good speed, not devastating speed. He makes similar cuts and I think he can be Charles like as a receiver. And his burst seems on par. 4.49 is plenty fast to house his fair share of runs.Sure, the Rams like Henderson, but he's still a smaller RB. Henderson is similar to Abdullah in that I don't believe he's dynamic enough to cover for his lack of size (weight). In general, I'm surprised by the love Henderson has received in the FF community considering his lack of feature back traits. I believe it's in large part to Gurley's uncertainty, but even if Gurley continues to have problems, Henderson could easily get drafted over in the strong 2020 RB class. Henderson is likely to be much more valuable as an NFL player than in FF.
Like I mentioned earlier, Henderson is going to be interesting for me because my view of him seems much different than the vast majority of FFers. I've been very successful vetting smaller RBs so I'm curious to see how this plays out long-term.
208 pounds is not light for an NFL RB. I know you have this 215 pound cutoff "system" you created a thread about last offseason, but there have been so many successful backs under 215 pounds, I can't imagine why you would believe that.It's all about weight, not BMI. BMI means nothing more than how stocky you are or aren't. A high BMI can mean you're strong depending on how much of your weight is lean muscle mass, but Henderson isn't a power runner & doesn't try to be.
Henderson is a smaller (lighter) RB. Period. He's fairly strong for his size (weight). That's about all I can say good about his BMI.
Well Kelly isn’t the answer, but Brown was hurt late in the year a little before Gurley had his issues so they had to sign CJA. Agree with everything else about Henderson.If Brown or Kelly were the answer to back up Gurley then why were they using CJ Anderson last year?
The Rams did trade up for Henderson and he was the 3rd RB selected in the draft. Its a pretty clear message in my view that they wanted a better second RB than what they had.
Personally I think Henderson is the best RB of the 2019 draft class and that the other contenders are not really close. So not really a surprise to me he is being drafted as high as he is. I don't really think its a over reaction to anything.
Todd Gurley is a huge obstacle to his opportunity. Otherwise I would be arguing for Henderson 1st overall.
Abdullah & Henderson are pretty similar. Anyway, as far as my "system", there's a lot to why I've been successful vetting smaller RBs, but I digress.208 pounds is not light for an NFL RB. I know you have this 215 pound cutoff "system" you created a thread about last offseason, but there have been so many successful backs under 215 pounds, I can't imagine why you would believe that.
You can bring up Abdullah 1,000 times (and you probably have) but that's a meaningless anecdotal example.
You don’t know what you’re doing. It’s been proven over and over and over and over and over and over and over again yet you still repeat it. Shame on you for continuing to say it. I sincerely hope there aren’t posters that listen to your nonsense. You continually do this. It’s beyond ridiculous. Should I post the literal HUNDREDS of NFL backs that have succeed under your pointless threshold every single time you spurt this tripe.It's all about weight, not BMI. BMI means nothing more than how stocky you are or aren't. A high BMI can mean you're strong depending on how much of your weight is lean muscle mass, but Henderson isn't a power runner & doesn't try to be.
Henderson is a smaller (lighter) RB. Period. He's fairly strong for his size (weight). That's about all I can say good about his BMI.
This is 2019, not the 80s, 90s, or even the 2000s. The overwhelming percentage of top RBs in FF lately (going back a ways) have been decent-sized guys. There's a reason for that. Lots of RBs still come into the league around Henderson's size & very few succeed as feature backs. The ones that make it are dynamic & have certain traits. It's not rocket science.You don’t know what you’re doing. It’s been proven over and over and over and over and over and over and over again yet you still repeat it. Shame on you for continuing to say it. I sincerely hope there aren’t posters that listen to your nonsense. You continually do this. It’s beyond ridiculous. Should I post the literal HUNDREDS of NFL backs that have succeed under your pointless threshold every single time you spurt this tripe.
Just stop...Abdullah & Henderson are pretty similar.
Too late. The minute you hit "Submit Reply" it was done.Let's not derail the thread.
I don't know a single redraft league Kamara was not drafted in either. I was using 8th-10th round picks on him BEFORE the NFL draft.I'm talking about redrafts. 99% of fantasy leagues are redrafts...always seems weird to me for people to assume discussion is dynasty based.
Both aren't dynamic enough for their size (weight). Both have rather tight hips which limits elusiveness. Both have tackle-breaking concerns. Neitehr is an accomplished receiverJust stop...
Abdullah: 5’9, 205 pounds, BMI 30.3
Henderson: 5’8, 208 pounds, BMI 31.6
This is about where their similarities stop. so you can be lazy and stop here and say they are "pretty similar" or you can read on and see how they couldnt be less similar.
Abdullah:
42.5” vertical
130” broad jump
40 yard: 4.60 sec
Bench: 24 reps
Henderson:
33.5” vertical
121.0” broad jump
40 yard dash: 4.49”
Bench: 22 reps
Last 2 college season averages:
Abdullah: 272.5 attempts, 1650.5 yards (6.0 YPC), 14 TDs
Henderson: 171 attempts, 1531.5 yards (8.9 YPC), 15.5 TDs
Yeah…… practically twins
Probably ought to venture into the Marlon Mack and Dalvin Cook threads and state they’re too small COP backs while he’s at it.Too late. The minute you hit "Submit Reply" it was done.
Go talk about how much better Jamaal Williams is than Aaron Jones again. I dont think you've ruined those threads enough.
Too late. The minute you hit "Submit Reply" it was done.
Go talk about how much better Jamaal Williams is than Aaron Jones again. I dont think you've ruined those threads enough.
I've been a Cook supporter, but if I were you & @Dr. Dan, I'd maybe want to pay attention to somebody who has had a ton of success in this hobby & have done it with some unique approaches. Possibly even try to take something away from my posts.Probably ought to venture into the Marlon Mack and Dalvin Cook threads and state they’re too small COP backs while he’s at it.