No more warnings.Few folks being tools in here.
Let’s knock down the chippy ego slapfight crap and talk football please.
No more warnings.Few folks being tools in here.
Let’s knock down the chippy ego slapfight crap and talk football please.
I agree with this. I have long wondered why this is?New voice in here so hopefully this won’t get lost in the back and forth bickering even though it sounds like Jones’ repetitive point.
Henderson is indeed an electric player, but there seems to be a longstanding institutional pushback in the NFL toward smaller backs, such that they rarely get the workload that we fans think they are earning in head-to-head competitions. Warrick Dunn, Tiki Barber, Dion Lewis types all seem to give way to bigger but less talented backs for reasons which appear rooted primarily in coaches’ bias.
1) I think Henderson is so good that it wouldn't matter against competition such as Brown and Kelly, but it does matter when the competition is as great as Todd Gurley.Seems to me that (if Gurley goes down for a lengthy period) expecting Brown to get more carries and goalline looks than his smaller but faster and more productive partner is a real concern, and it lowers my expectations for Henderson’s volume as a potential feature back.
To be fair I have been a believer in Brown since he was drafted, so I could be overstating his value. But observations of history say that won’t matter since coaches will take carries away from a smaller back and give them to him even if his skill tops out at “TJ Duckett 2.0.”
So is the consensus of the Henderson backers that:
1) He’s just so good that it won’t matter? Or,
2) McVay is a new breed of coach who won’t fall prey to the institutional biases of the past generation?
Because otherwise I could easily see Henderson capped at a Tarik Cohen level of output and always being paired with a bulkier counterpart who siphons touches and touchdowns.
Running back Darrell Henderson had the first play of those 11-on-11 drills, taking a screen down the sideline, avoiding the path of defenders with his shiftiness. Sure, the Rams don’t have pads on. But that is the kind of play that makes you feel like he can translate that ability to make people miss he displayed at Memphis to the highest level.
I agree with this. I have long wondered why this is?
I recognize the bias exists and that it has an impact on touches/workload regardless of if it is rational coaching or not. Giovani Bernard for example, great RB imo but just never really got the chance to be their feature RB because the coaches didn't want him to be.
LeSean McCoyThere have been plenty of “little” guys who have gotten a chance to be RB1s and have thrived. Just off the top if my head without researching:
Barry Sanders
Ray Rice
Deangelo Williams
Priest Holmes
Maurice Jones-Drew
Tiki Barber
Warrick Dunn
Yahoo's Charles Robinson reports the Rams want third-round RB Darrell Henderson to serve as a "Chris Thompson type."
That's a role ex-Redskins OC Sean McVay is intimately familiar with. Robinson also predicts Henderson and Malcolm Brown will handle roughly 35 percent of the Rams' running back snaps. If Henderson is actually deployed this way, he would have some standalone value in PPR leagues.
SOURCE: Charles Robinson on Twitter
Jul 29, 2019, 3:17 PM ET
4) Running back Darrell Henderson continues to impressover the first couple days. Again during on-on-ones, he tracked a deep ball down the right side from quarterback Brandon Allen, reeling it in over his shoulder. There are wide receivers who don’t have that kind of ability. It’s early and the Rams aren’t in pads, but he looks like a weapon.
Running back Darrell Henderson seems to do something impressive every practice, and on Monday that was making a one-handed grab to pull in a swing pass on a short route to the right side.
2. #Rams feel good about Todd Gurley + RB depth. I’d wager Malcolm Brown & Darrell Henderson combine for 35% (or more) of RB snaps. Henderson is very interesting. Plan is for him to be a Chris Thompson type. Thompson’s 2016 #Redskins film under McVay was a flexible mismatch role.
That's because he missed 2 games. In the 14 games he played, Gurley had 84% of the Rams RB rushing attempts and 86% of the RB snaps.Last year Gurley had 56% of the Rams rushing attempts and 69% of the Rams RB rushing attempts in the regular season. So Henderson and Brown combining for 35% wouldn't be much of a difference, if any, from last year.
RB snaps - which would mean Gurley would only be on the field 65% of the time. Gurley also missed 3 games last season.Last year Gurley had 56% of the Rams rushing attempts and 69% of the Rams RB rushing attempts in the regular season. So Henderson and Brown combining for 35% wouldn't be much of a difference, if any, from last year.
That’s so intriguing in today’s game and with a creative coordinator like McVay. I can’t wait to see how he uses that.10 Observations from Day 2 of 2019 Rams training camp
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4) Running back Darrell Henderson continues to impressover the first couple days. Again during on-on-ones, he tracked a deep ball down the right side from quarterback Brandon Allen, reeling it in over his shoulder. There are wide receivers who don’t have that kind of ability. It’s early and the Rams aren’t in pads, but he looks like a weapon.
50/50 on snaps to start. 60/40 touches for Henderson with the majority of the receptions.So, for the games Gurley sits, and there will be some, what is the Henderson/Brown breakdown?
1) While head coach Sean McVay downplayed the notion of running back Darrell Henderson getting first-team snaps — the Rams are rotating in a lot of players, McVay said — Henderson looks the part. During one-on-one drills, Henderson caught a slant going from left to right and it’s easy to see why the Rams like him. McVay credited Henderson’s work ethic and running backs coach Skip Peete for getting the rookie RB up to speed.
Darrell Henderson has work to do
The biggest surprise of the depth chart is how buried Darrell Henderson Jr. is. The explosive third-round pick finds himself as the team’s RB5. Not only is he behind Todd Gurley and Malcolm Brown as expected, but he’s yet to overtake John Kelly or even Justin Davis in the running back hierarchy.
This is likely to change before opening day as the team may not want to keep five running backs on the roster. Still, it shows that the Rams will be patient with Henderson’s development. They aren’t throwing him into the backup running back role from Day 1. He’ll have to earn his way past Kelly and Davis, and he has a lot of work to do before usurping Brown as the No. 2 back.
Keep a close eye on how the explosive rookie performs this preseason. It will likely have an impact on the size of his role in Week 1.
Shows how ridiculous these unofficial depth charts are. Behind John Kelly and Justin Davis? Give me a break.
Bump Finley.Shows how ridiculous these unofficial depth charts are. Behind John Kelly and Justin Davis? Give me a break.
I see coach is trying to motivate Tatum BellBump Finley.Shows how ridiculous these unofficial depth charts are. Behind John Kelly and Justin Davis? Give me a break.
Actually actually true.you guys know the HC don't fill the depth charts out right? Its some unpaid intern gig.....
Hmmm I dunno. If he dominates in the preseason games maybe he’ll surge but his ADP trend is pretty clearly down going by FFCalc. I hope he stays round 7 ish.Henderson’s ADP is currently at RB35 (84), but I’ve seen him go in the 6th (RB27-30) of late. Probably be a 5th rounder (RB23-26) in a few more weeks.
Gurley holding at 14 (RB9.)
This depends on the team. In Washington, the PR guy did it last year, but Jay Gruden did it this year. So it's hard to say.you guys know the HC don't fill the depth charts out right? Its some unpaid intern gig.....
henderson at your suggested price is overvalued....not buying in redraftHenderson’s ADP is currently at RB35 (84), but I’ve seen him go in the 6th (RB27-30) of late. Probably be a 5th rounder (RB23-26) in a few more weeks.
Gurley holding at 14 (RB9.)
This is too obvious. Why take a Chris Thompson imposter in the 6th when you can have the real thing in the 12th or whatever?henderson at your suggested price is overvalued....not buying in redraft
Chris Thompson the real thing can’t stay healthy and when he has been he’s had fantasy value. So you take the Chris Thompson skillset, throw out the health negative, add 13 lbs, put him on one of the top offenses in the league (a team that traded up to take him early third) and now you have Darrell Henderson.This is too obvious. Why take a Chris Thompson imposter in the 6th when you can have the real thing in the 12th or whatever?
Obviously, the Henderson love derives from the idea the Gurley knees will fail some point this year. Still others will take Gurley in the 2nd. Something about this backfield's ADP doesn't compute for me. One of the other of them will be a wasted pick for somebody, maybe both.
Are some of the people taking Henderson in the 6th, also taking Gurley in the 2nd?This is too obvious. Why take a Chris Thompson imposter in the 6th when you can have the real thing in the 12th or whatever?
Obviously, the Henderson love derives from the idea the Gurley knees will fail some point this year. Still others will take Gurley in the 2nd. Something about this backfield's ADP doesn't compute for me. One of the other of them will be a wasted pick for somebody, maybe both.
Did they trade up to get him? I hadn't heard that.Chris Thompson the real thing can’t stay healthy and when he has been he’s had fantasy value. So you take the Chris Thompson skillset, throw out the health negative, add 13 lbs, put him on one of the top offenses in the league (a team that traded up to take him early third) and now you have Darrell Henderson.
We’re not drafting for 18 days, but my daily routine is to mock at 3 different sites to get a feel for different strategies & runs. I don’t always target them but when I do the most common combo is 2nd (15th pick) & 9th (106th.) The last time I took Gurley (yesterday) he fell to the 34th pick (RB17), only time I’ve seen him last until the third, and Henderson went in the 6th (RB31), earliest I’ve seen. Typically he goes in the 7th or 8th round, Gurley late first to middle second.Are some of the people taking Henderson in the 6th, also taking Gurley in the 2nd?
I'm passing on Gurley everywhere but trying to add Henderson everywhere....even if I have to reach a little for Henderson before I really want too....I feel he will have some stand alone value in that offense and with an anticipated lighter load for Gurley....let alone league winning value at his current ADP if things go the way they seem with Gurley and his knees.....feel he is worth that potential ROI and just need to rely on my drafting skills throughout the rest of the draft to make up for the "reach" in the mid rounds.....adding Brown later in deeper leagues as well....Are some of the people taking Henderson in the 6th, also taking Gurley in the 2nd?
They gave up 2 later 3rds to get him in the early 3rd. I think his healthy (ish) Gurley upside is similar to a Thompson like role except with the added ability to handle a few more carries and have a better shot at holding up to it. The Skins wanted to give Thompson more work but Gruden was hesitant because he’s smaller and they didn’t know if he could hold up. In 2017 through 9 games they gave him 61 carries and he had 38 receptions. His 147 fantasy points had him in high end rb2 territory. But then he got hurt in his 10th game. He had similar usage to start 2018 but then got hurt again and then again.cloppbeast said:Did they trade up to get him? I hadn't heard that.
Anyway, I suppose you're right, he's a different player than Thompson; but his role is the same if you take the Rams at their word. Catching 40 or 50 passes will unlikely justify a 6th round pick. Something would have to happen to Gurley.
No. The DH love stems from the belief he can be used similar to Kamara. It is TBD.This is too obvious. Why take a Chris Thompson imposter in the 6th when you can have the real thing in the 12th or whatever?
Obviously, the Henderson love derives from the idea the Gurley knees will fail some point this year. Still others will take Gurley in the 2nd. Something about this backfield's ADP doesn't compute for me. One of the other of them will be a wasted pick for somebody, maybe both.
I'm just going off what the Rams have said about his Thompson usage is all. I also remember the Kamara comparison from after the draft, but that's pretty optimistic don't you think?No. The DH love stems from the belief he can be used similar to Kamara. It is TBD.
went 7.1 in a recent start upI've primarily mocked on yahoo and he seems to go 8th or later on there.
I didn't make the statement about Kamara. That is what one of LA's top dogs said. But yes, that would be "optomistic" to even the DH homers.I'm just going off what the Rams have said about his Thompson usage is all. I also remember the Kamara comparison from after the draft, but that's pretty optimistic don't you think?
Of course it’s optimistic that he’ll produce like Kamara, as he is a top 4 draft pick this year, but the point is he can be used in that type of role (which isn’t really all that different from the Thompson role to be honest - Kamara is just a lot better and more durable than Thompson has been).I'm just going off what the Rams have said about his Thompson usage is all. I also remember the Kamara comparison from after the draft, but that's pretty optimistic don't you think?
Things got under way for the Los Angeles Rams last week. Here’s a brief recap of what we saw in Week 1
In case you missed it last week, here are a few notable-s from Irvine:
The running backs are wide receivers!
Vincent Bonsignore✔@VinnyBonsignore
Henderson and Gurley both lined up as WR’s on a couple plays https://twitter.com/vinnybonsignore/status/1155257089444331520 …
Vincent Bonsignore✔@VinnyBonsignore
Five straight plays, all out of 11 personnel, for #Rams 1st team offense. Only interchangeable parts were Gurley and Henderson and Higbee and Everett switching in and out.
7:23 PM - Jul 27, 2019
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...I wish opposing defenses the best of luck (I do not) when they’re looking at an empty set, and working feverishly to figure out who’s responsible for WR4...Todd Gurley.
And in regards to the Rams’ rookie rusher - Darrell Henderson - fans may see him sooner (and potentially more often) than one might think. Here’s Rams’ insider Myles Simmons at the end of Day 1:
While head coach Sean McVay downplayed the notion of running back Darrell Henderson getting first-team snaps — the Rams are rotating in a lot of players, McVay said — Henderson looks the part. During one-on-one drills, Henderson caught a slant going from left to right and it’s easy to see why the Rams like him. McVay credited Henderson’s work ethic and running backs coach Skip Peete for getting the rookie RB up to speed.
...Running back Darrell Henderson continues to impress over the first couple days. Again during on-on-ones, he tracked a deep ball down the right side from quarterback Brandon Allen, reeling it in over his shoulder. There are wide receivers who don’t have that kind of ability. It’s early and the Rams aren’t in pads, but he looks like a weapon.
I didn’t get to watch. Did he look bad? Left yards on the field? I saw the Rams had like 100 yards at half so seems like the whole offense brought nothing.Looking pretty bad so far. a bit of a bummer. about as bad as Benny Snell.
1 preseason game but hes against the JV squad and doesnt look too explosive/effective.