King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Encouraged by his usage and efficiency in the passing game. Disappointed because I thought the running game system was similar to what he ran in college....hopefully he can make progress in that arena.
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RB Darrell Henderson, LAR (3 Viewers)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
This is where I am. I think at this point Henderson is 3rd on the depth chart (at least) for rushing the ball but 1st for the catching back
He was really good in college on outside zone runs. That’s the fit people referenced. He’s struggling with inside zone/duo. This is all according to one of the Rams twitter guys who seems to know a whole lot more about it than I would ever claim. According to the reporter he’s admitted struggling to adapt and slow down to make the right read on the inside stuff. Not unusual for a young back.
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Insoxicated
@Dr. Dan I’ve noticed you have said Sony Michel is “Done” in a few places, and in here you diminish Henderson’s role due to the presence of Gurley.
Sincere question, what are the medical reasons behind your very different forecasts for these two backs with seemingly similar degenerative knee issues?
Sincere question, what are the medical reasons behind your very different forecasts for these two backs with seemingly similar degenerative knee issues?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
IMO Michels knee seems worse than Gurley. I think both are ticking time bombs. Henderson hasnt looked great rushing the ball, so for 2019 I'm not as optimistic for his rushing potential.but things can change really fast. I stand by Henderson being the best back in this draft class from a talent perspective. I am tempering my expectations after seeing him in some pseudo NFL action, but I like his appeal as a flex option as a rookie in ppr. I wouldnt want him higher than RB4 on my roster for 2019
I’m so intrigued to see what happens when the Rams are in their base 3 wide with Kupp, Cooks, Woods and Henderson comes in. Will the defense go dime and leave only 5 linemen/lbs to defend the run? Or will they stay nickel and try to cover Henderson with a LB when he splits out? Or will they put a safety on Henderson and leave only a single safety to deal with Cooks/Kupp/Woods over the top? I think that’s the dimension McVay and the gm allude to when they say Henderson brings something new to the table.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Problem with Henderson was his competition and his o-line created huge holes for him. He’s a got a big adjustment period ahead of him so the slow start shouldn’t be surprising.
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In redraft we need to temper expectations, but I love the kid in dynasty leagues...it will take him a while to get acclimated to the speed and nuances of the game, but we should see a huge leap next season
Interseptopus
Footballguy
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He’s been falling to the 9/10 turn in mocks, which is a nice price for an RB4/5 with upside. If he’s not there I’ll take Hines or Samuels or one the 3 rookies (Hill, Singletary or Thompson) in my next tier.
lardonastick
Footballguy
Gurley owner here, got Henderson @ 1.08
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Got him late 9th (106th) in redraft (12 TM full PPR) as my RB4.
QB W W W R R T W/R/T
Also got Hill in the 11th, Singletary in the 13th, Edmonds in the 15th, Ty Johnson in the 18th.
Missed out on Thompson (116th) and Mattison (185th.)
QB W W W R R T W/R/T
Also got Hill in the 11th, Singletary in the 13th, Edmonds in the 15th, Ty Johnson in the 18th.
Missed out on Thompson (116th) and Mattison (185th.)
joey
Footballguy
Gurley owner here as well and grabbed Henderson at 1.4 since I didn’t think he'd make it to my next pick at 1.10, and felt the WRs I’d be able to take all look the same to me.
HairyGOATee
Footballguy
I've been impressed by this guy to say the least. Also impressed by how McVay made Bortles looked somewhat competent out there.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Not sure where you saw that but it was not what I ever heard. Sitting starters all pre-season, which the exception of a few young guys on D, was what I always saw.
joey
Footballguy
Since you asked...
i had a choice of AJ Brown and Marquise Brown at 1.10, didn’t love either of them. I really wanted JJAW and was going to take him there at 1.10 but instead I made a trade down to 2.3, got Ekeler in exchange (I own Melvin Gordon) and then grabbed JJAW at 2.3. Just like I drew it up
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Gurley owner in my league passed on him at 1.5. I GLADLY took him at 1.9.joey said:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Ya, I dropped him for Malcolm Brown in a short bench league. Everything I'm seeing says Brown is the direct backup to Gurley.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
took him late in a shallow bench redraft league...will see if i have the patience to keep him rostered
Ok so let’s look at what his real upside is though. With gurley there he’s never going to be a featured back without an injury. So barring a season ending injury to gurley over the next several years we are looking at a pass catching rb on a great offense who touches the ball 10-12 times per game. Some games a little more some a little less.
He will be volatile. He will put up some rb2 weeks and some weeks that make us puke in our mouths. And that’s not just for this year. That’s for as long as gurley is on the rams and healthy (meaning they are managing his knee and he is playing every week).
Regardless of talent, does a back like that deserve to be in the 1st rd of rookie defat? He feels like a glorified handcuff to me.
I want my mind to be changed BC I’m up at 1.9 rt now and he’s sitting there. But so is devim singletary who I think has a clearer path to a meaningful starter workload. N’keal Harry, Metcalf and hockenson all still there as well.
He will be volatile. He will put up some rb2 weeks and some weeks that make us puke in our mouths. And that’s not just for this year. That’s for as long as gurley is on the rams and healthy (meaning they are managing his knee and he is playing every week).
Regardless of talent, does a back like that deserve to be in the 1st rd of rookie defat? He feels like a glorified handcuff to me.
I want my mind to be changed BC I’m up at 1.9 rt now and he’s sitting there. But so is devim singletary who I think has a clearer path to a meaningful starter workload. N’keal Harry, Metcalf and hockenson all still there as well.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Preseason has borne out all of your concerns and supported other ones regarding his lateral quickness and ability to break NFL tackles. He does look bursty though and smooth catching the ball, so there is something here, especially considering he plays for and was drafted by the brightest offensive bulb in the league.
Warhogs
Footballguy
So you really think he will be behind Gurley for years if they are at this time having to manage his knee issues? I looked at his contract and it looks like they are committed for the next couple of years to Gurley but then it might make sense to move on if his knee is an issue. Based on the preseason numbers Henderson might be eased into a role a little more than what some hope so I would curb the Henderson love some for 2019. Oh, and good offenses can support multiple productive RB's. Kamara and Ingram for example were both pretty good.
I agree that Gurley is there so his touches in the short term are going to be limited but he does look like a good receiver and I don't think any of us know how well Gurley's knee will hold up.
dkp993
Footballguy
Black and Gold
Footballguy
Henderson should have standalone value and he's fills the "pass catching back" that McVay has wanted. If Gurley would to go down with injury, Brown would pick up some of that work but I would imagine that Henderson would also pick up at least 25% of Gurley's touches. Give me Henderson all day over Brown. No way Brown steps in and takes Gurely's full workload.
Tejas
Footballguy
Reminds me so much of the Ingram/AP/Kamara situation. So many GM’s couldn’t see a path of fantasy relevance for Kamara.
GoBirds
Footballguy
That makes Gurley more appealing in the late 1 early 2 range that you can get Brown at the end not having to give up a mid rounder for Henderson. Thanks guys.
dkp993
Footballguy
The bolded is true though it’s more likely Chris Thompson like vs Kamara. But Brown is very clearly the guy to take up the load should Gurley get injured. Brown would be the early down and red zone back. But truth be told I hope we never find out the real answer.
Foosball God
Foos
Henderson is the new Theo Riddick
LawFitz
Footballguy
Kamara is bigger, stronger and more elusive. Henderson has been bursty but stiff and easily tackled this preseason. Let's see if that continues into the regular season, as it's been a fairly small and diluted NFL sample so far. I want to see him evade and break some tackles like Kamara routinely does before I am ready to project any kind of similar ascension.
Tejas
Footballguy
I’m referring to the depth chart and playing opportunity. So many GM’s thought Ingram and AP meant Kamara would have zero fantasy relevance in his rookie season. Coach Payton kept talking him up, very similar to Henderson.
Football Jones
Footballguy
The Rams haven't even risked playing Brown in preseason. It's no secret how much they value him.
Should Gurley go down, I'd suspect Henderson's role would be fairly similar to what's it's going to be now. He was drafted with that specific role in mind.
It's reasonable to expect more touches if Gurley is out of the picture, but it doesn't change Henderson's skill set.
Should Gurley go down, I'd suspect Henderson's role would be fairly similar to what's it's going to be now. He was drafted with that specific role in mind.
It's reasonable to expect more touches if Gurley is out of the picture, but it doesn't change Henderson's skill set.
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ahartig
Footballguy
This, this and this all over again. Plus matching the lions offer to keep him in LA. He averaged almost 5 yards a clip in 2018 (only 43 carries though).
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