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Just now, JohnnyU said:

That's ridiculous after just one season as a backup.  Also, I saw a game this year where he looked great.  The burst was eye opening.  I think I will give it more than one season as a backup thank you very much.  

Ridiculous?  When guys like Ekeler, Carson, Lindsey, and others come out and FORCE their way onto the field?  When a JAG like Malcolm Brown plays more?  You're really going to hang that much on what he looked like in one game? Jonas Gray would like a word with you.  If a guy is that good he ends up playing, especially when there isn't someone else on the roster holding him back - and say what you want about Gurley but he's clearly not the same guy now.

I get you might have a different opinion but calling it ridiculous is, well, ridiculous.  But hey, carry on.

 

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5 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Ridiculous?  When guys like Ekeler, Carson, Lindsey, and others come out and FORCE their way onto the field?  When a JAG like Malcolm Brown plays more?  You're really going to hang that much on what he looked like in one game? Jonas Gray would like a word with you.  If a guy is that good he ends up playing, especially when there isn't someone else on the roster holding him back - and say what you want about Gurley but he's clearly not the same guy now.

I get you might have a different opinion but calling it ridiculous is, well, ridiculous.  But hey, carry on.

 

You really going to hang that much on a rookie season playing behind Gurley?  Hell, he may end up sucking, but to say that after hardly playing his rookie season behind Gurley is ridiculous.  I believe you have to be more patient than that with rookies you draft in dynasty leagues.  I suppose I've said all I can on this subject.

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I can see both sides of this story.

When I make rookie rankings, I do so with the idea in mind of the players upside target over the first 3 years of their careers.

The reason it isn't a ranking for only the players first season is because a lot of the time players will not perform that well as rookies. Sometimes it takes them a year of development before they get a chance to shine. This could be due to injury, strength and conditioning progream, technique such as blocking, reading the blitz and knowing their assignments, entrenched starter on the depth chart ahead of them or sometimes it is ancillary things affecting the player such as their QB being injured or having multiple injuries to their offensive line.

All of that is meant to say that one season is not enough to fully judge the player.

Now I do think the rookies who perform right away should get a leg up on players who didn't. Most of the time the players who perform well right away continue to perform well for their careers. The players who don't still could, but there is still uncertainty, not just for that players specific situation turning in their favor, but also a question about the players talent, maybe the previous evaluations of the players talent were wrong. How they perform is how we test that.

In a vacuum I have Henderson as a tier one RB which means I expect him to be able to perform near a top 12 RB within his first 3 seasons in the league. Looking at the situation I see that Todd Gurley is entrenched as the starter and without an injury or something else that removes Gurley from the situation his upside is only a RB two.

So no I am not giving up on Henderson still possibly being a hit in the near future, I believe he is a very talented player and I think he can shine if given the opportunity. That said his first season didn't go as well as I had hoped it would.

Gurley seems fine despite all the talk about his knee and injury risk.

The Rams still used Malcolm Brown over Henderson. This is a larger concern to me than Gurley actually, because I think this invalidates my view of Henderson being a tier one RB. If Henderson were, then he should have beat out Brown.

Putting it all together my outlook on Henderson has taken a hit based on how the season played out and downgrading Henderson to a tier two type of value seems reasonable under the circumstances, even though I do think his upside could be higher than that.

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If Gurley gets traded or released as per reports, where does Henderson rank among RBs in 2020 redraft?

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10 hours ago, 3nOut said:

If Gurley gets traded or released as per reports, where does Henderson rank among RBs in 2020 redraft?

I believe he will carry a lot of value because I can see the talent with limited carries.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

I believe he will carry a lot of value because I can see the talent with limited carries.

I agree. How they draft in regards to RBs this year will tell us everything we need to know. If they don't spend a 1-4th rounder on a RB, and Gurley is moved, I think its safe to say he's going to be the bell cow. But I think its wishful thinking that someone will take on Gurley's big contract. 

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That seems like a very big IF at this point as others have said that is going to be a tough contract to move and Melvin Gordon a free agent. I drafted Henderson in the 4th last year which based on FBG was an all out steal but he really didn't impress in preseason and didn't get much action in the regular season so if he were looking like a potential starter I would put him toward the back of the rookie RB that looked like they might start.

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6 hours ago, Warhogs said:

That seems like a very big IF at this point as others have said that is going to be a tough contract to move and Melvin Gordon a free agent. I drafted Henderson in the 4th last year which based on FBG was an all out steal but he really didn't impress in preseason and didn't get much action in the regular season so if he were looking like a potential starter I would put him toward the back of the rookie RB that looked like they might start.

Was that 4th round of a redraft or startup ?

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1 hour ago, Ben & Jerry's said:

Was that 4th round of a redraft or startup ?

Dynasty IDP rookie draft.

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19 hours ago, 3nOut said:

If Gurley gets traded or released as per reports, where does Henderson rank among RBs in 2020 redraft?

strong RB2 imo. he has rb1 upside but I am big on him of course. I wouldnt draft him as a rb1 because he has better value later

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1 hour ago, Warhogs said:

Dynasty IDP rookie draft.

Wow, he was a first rounder in every rookie draft I was in - even in an IDP that shouldn’t change much. Well it shouldn’t really change at all.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Wow, he was a first rounder in every rookie draft I was in - even in an IDP that shouldn’t change much. Well it shouldn’t really change at all.

Maybe it was a start-up? I paid attention to the dynasty stuff last year, and he was a first rounder across the board. 

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Maybe it was a start-up? I paid attention to the dynasty stuff last year, and he was a first rounder across the board. 

He said “rookie draft”.

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1 minute ago, Dr. Octopus said:

He said “rookie draft”.

Yeah, I saw that. Thought maybe he'd just confused the two. If you got Henderson in the 4th Rd last year, everybody was confused. 

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If Gurley is gone I believe it’s a true split. Malcolm Brown is still there, who they love and is a power back grinder, with DH playing the COP role.  

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26 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

He said “rookie draft”.

That still makes zero sense unless they drafted before the nfl draft.  Even then it doesn’t.  

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5 hours ago, mozzy84 said:

That still makes zero sense unless they drafted before the nfl draft.  Even then it doesn’t.  

If you drafted late in the preseason maybe? And 4th round in a startup is too early. Weird steal

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On 3/18/2020 at 6:34 AM, 3nOut said:

If Gurley gets traded or released as per reports, where does Henderson rank among RBs in 2020 redraft?

I don't think there are any reports that Gurley has any chance of getting released. Unless it's by Henderson owners.

Gurley might get traded, but the odds are low unless Bill O'Brien is the GM for more than one team. Maybe TB, since they are going for bust this season and everyone will just walk away if it flops.

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2 hours ago, BoltBacker said:

I don't think there are any reports that Gurley has any chance of getting released. Unless it's by Henderson owners.

Gurley might get traded, but the odds are low unless Bill O'Brien is the GM for more than one team. Maybe TB, since they are going for bust this season and everyone will just walk away if it flops.

Mike Silver must be a Henderson owner

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20 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Mike Silver must be a Henderson owner

Well, admittedly I'm not much of a Mike Silver fan. I am curious though, when he was stating that the Rams might cut Gurley did he address the fact that due to the way Gurley has his contract structured that cutting Gurley would count $20,150,000 against the cap. By keeping him on the roster Gurley counts $17,250,000 against the cap. So they need to go find an extra $3mil just to pay him NOT to play for them. 

Keep in mind that this Rams team already is bottom 10 in the league in terms of cap space and there has been some talk that they might trade Brandon Cooks for salary cap reasons. Does Silver really think the Rams are so desperate to get rid of Gurley that they would take the additional cap hit even if it forced Cooks off the team to help pay for it?

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1 hour ago, BoltBacker said:

Well, admittedly I'm not much of a Mike Silver fan. I am curious though, when he was stating that the Rams might cut Gurley did he address the fact that due to the way Gurley has his contract structured that cutting Gurley would count $20,150,000 against the cap. By keeping him on the roster Gurley counts $17,250,000 against the cap. So they need to go find an extra $3mil just to pay him NOT to play for them. 

Keep in mind that this Rams team already is bottom 10 in the league in terms of cap space and there has been some talk that they might trade Brandon Cooks for salary cap reasons. Does Silver really think the Rams are so desperate to get rid of Gurley that they would take the additional cap hit even if it forced Cooks off the team to help pay for it?

I thought I had read if they cut him prior to a certain date they still save some money. Maybe that date has passed. 

FTR, I dont see cutting Gurley as anything worth considering. It's interesting to see some people reporting it, but I don't see it as a realistic option for LA

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Could be a big break for Henderson dynasty teams 

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48 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Could be a big break for Henderson dynasty teams 

After many of us drafted him in the first over other rookies that blew up, it would be a nice. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Dan said:

I thought I had read if they cut him prior to a certain date they still save some money. Maybe that date has passed. 

No, the way that contract is structured they are just screwed no matter what they do and Gurley has to play like an MVP candidate for several years for it to make any sense at all. Rotoworld is reporting it's even worse than I thought it was, "Releasing Gurley would leave behind an absurd $25.6 million in dead money". If Mike Silver is reporting that LAR might release him then Silver is even more of a hack than I had thought when I completely stopped listening to anything he might say.

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11 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

After many of us drafted him in the first over other rookies that blew up, it would be a nice. 

I just took over an orphan team desperately in need of a rebuild with him and Gurley. This would be a double bonus for me.

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5 minutes ago, BoltBacker said:

No, the way that contract is structured they are just screwed no matter what they do and Gurley has to play like an MVP candidate for several years for it to make any sense at all. Rotoworld is reporting it's even worse than I thought it was, "Releasing Gurley would leave behind an absurd $25.6 million in dead money". If Mike Silver is reporting that LAR might release him then Silver is even more of a hack than I had thought when I completely stopped listening to anything he might say.

What I am seeing as far as Gurleys contract is that it would cost the Rams about $3 million more in cap space if they move him. This totals $20 million cap hit for 2020.

Where are you getting the $25 million number from?

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3 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

What I am seeing as far as Gurleys contract is that it would cost the Rams about $3 million more in cap space if they move him. This totals $20 million cap hit for 2020.

Where are you getting the $25 million number from?

Your numbers are what I quoted earlier. But today I just saw this...

"TODD GURLEYRB, LOS ANGELES RAMS

Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio reports, "The Rams are currently in discussions regarding a possible trade of RB Todd Gurley."

It remains to be seen how much, if anything, teams are willing to give up to trade for Gurley. The 25-year-old RB has a troubling history of knee injuries and is signed through 2023. Releasing Gurley would leave behind an absurd $25.6 million in dead money, making a trade the only potential pathway for the Rams to part ways with their long-time RB. While Gurley managed to score 14 touchdowns last season, his average of 4.2 yards per touch was the lowest mark since his infamous 2016 Jeff Fisher-induced campaign. There's plenty of potential for a committee to emerge in 2020 if Gurley is ultimately back with the Rams.

SOURCE: ProFootballTalk on Twitter

Mar 19, 2020, 10:48 AM ET"

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player-news

 

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gurley cut

so, what's our predictions here?

i see a rbbc with malcolm brown the banger and herderson COP out in space.  enough for RB2 value?

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3 minutes ago, xenith said:

gurley cut

so, what's our predictions here?

i see a rbbc with malcolm brown the banger and herderson COP out in space.  enough for RB2 value?

I think either of their value will be touchdown dependent but the prediction sounds about right at this point

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7 minutes ago, xenith said:

gurley cut

so, what's our predictions here?

i see a rbbc with malcolm brown the banger and herderson COP out in space.  enough for RB2 value?

Hard to say, as it doesn't seem like Brown or Henderson set the world on fire last year. With the deep RB rookie crop, it's very possible one of them ends up with the Rams. 

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I've been getting a lot of offers for DH leading up to this week and a couple yesterday. I will be curious now to see what offers I get. It would have to knock my socks off, though.

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1 minute ago, barackdhouse said:

I've been getting a lot of offers for DH leading up to this week and a couple yesterday. I will be curious now to see what offers I get. It would have to knock my socks off, though.

Do you believe he could be the main RB in an offense?  I certainly like anyone in that system, but is Henderson capable in your opinion?

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8 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I've been getting a lot of offers for DH leading up to this week and a couple yesterday. I will be curious now to see what offers I get. It would have to knock my socks off, though.

Yeah could be a good time to sell, who knows. We saw so very little of him last season.

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2 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

Do you believe he could be the main RB in an offense?  I certainly like anyone in that system, but is Henderson capable in your opinion?

We went through this all last year on this board and my answer is yes. Many disagree. There are still obstacles but I drafted him last year hoping this day would come. He could absolutely be drafted over. But I like his chances. Opportunity is ripe. If he misses so be it I live for this kind of a chance for half my dynasty teams to get stronger. But it's only March and the riots haven't started yet.

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why do people think they didn't give him more carries last year? pass blocking? You'd think they'd have wanted to at least see him a bit in game action. I own the guy and am legitimately asking.

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2 minutes ago, Tool said:

why do people think they didn't give him more carries last year? pass blocking? You'd think they'd have wanted to at least see him a bit in game action. I own the guy and am legitimately asking.

Pass Blocking without question.

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6 minutes ago, voiceofunreason said:

I’d like to believe but until they don’t draft a rb I’m not celebrating.

Obviously it’s possible they will draft one, but they did spend a high pick on Henderson last draft and matched Detroit’s offer sheet to Brown  in free agency, so I have to believe they are confident rolling with them. Also this draft is very deep at WR but a few guys staying in school thinned out the depth at RB. If they don’t draft one early I think it’s a Brown/Henderson RBBC to start the season.

 

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1 minute ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Obviously it’s possible they will draft one, but they did spend a high pick on Henderson last draft and matched Detroit’s offer sheet to Brown  in free agency, so I have to believe they are confident rolling with them. Also this draft is very deep at WR but a few guys staying in school thinned out the depth at RB. If they don’t draft one early I think it’s a Brown/Henderson RBBC to start the season.

 

If we draft an RB I will be highly disappointed. With our tight cap and personal losses we have quite a few of far more pressing needs.  I feel good about a Brown/DH combo.  

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I think most would be surprised if they did draft a RB early. As already said, they prepared for this in last year's draft. I'm assuming they are running with Brown/DH, but who's the lead dog? 

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10 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

I think most would be surprised if they did draft a RB early. As already said, they prepared for this in last year's draft. I'm assuming they are running with Brown/DH, but who's the lead dog? 

Camp/preseason star and/or hot hand. Either way, it's a huge jump in value for DH. Went from taxi candidate to bye/injury starter, at worst. From now to draft day, anyway. But I do agree that it sure looks like the Rams planned for this last April.

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16 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

I think most would be surprised if they did draft a RB early. As already said, they prepared for this in last year's draft. I'm assuming they are running with Brown/DH, but who's the lead dog? 

Brown.  DH is the COP and 3rd down.  

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14 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

They could sign another FA or draft one. Until the season starts, no one knows who RB1 is

They can draft one. They can not sign a free agent. They have no real cap space.

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33 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

They can draft one. They can not sign a free agent. They have no real cap space.

Until they drop more people or restructure. Lots of possibilities

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Just now, hispeedthinmint said:

Until they drop more people or restructure. Lots of possibilities

Dropping Gurley actually cost them $25MM in Dead money against the cap.

they could still trade Cooks and save some cap space - but they aren’t clearing cap space just to sign a RB.

Again, it’s possible that they do draft a RB however.

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1 hour ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Until they drop more people or restructure. Lots of possibilities

Goff counts 94 mil in dead cap if they were to release him. hes one year into his deal. they aren't going to rework that deal... it's next to impossible to rework 

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Goff counts 94 mil in dead cap if they were to release him. hes one year into his deal. they aren't going to rework that deal... it's next to impossible to rework 

I believe they could free up something in the $7-8M range if they converted most of his 2020 salary into a bonus and spread it out over 5 years. Could clear more room doing same thing with Donald and probably feel safer doing that.

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This team is decimated in free agency, and they have no first rounder.    Surprised if they take a rb in 2nd or 3rd

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