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5 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Yes same trade. 

Most people liked your end. Why didn't you take credit for it and instead insisted on the value of the side the guy got? I totally believe you made the trade, BTW. You've been preaching Murray and talked about being out in the P. Williams thread. Nice work. I think Kyler might be a long-term dynasty dynamo even over Mahomes, but I still like your end.

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Most people liked your end. Why didn't you take credit for it and instead insisted on the value of the side the guy got? I totally believe you made the trade, BTW. You've been preaching Murray and talked about being out in the P. Williams thread. Nice work. I think Kyler might be a long-term dynasty dynamo even over Mahomes, but I still like your end.

I just felt it was an overpay and they didn't think so. I knew I was getting the higher ranked player and it was a 3 for 1 so I get their side too. Kyler could easily outscore Mahomes this year though. It's in his range of possible outcomes. 

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Just now, Milkman said:

I just felt it was an overpay and they didn't think so. I knew I was getting the higher ranked player and it was a 3 for 1 so I get their side too. Kyler could easily outscore Mahomes this year though. It's in his range of possible outcomes. 

Sure thing. I almost took the other guy's side but was dissuaded. You got a semi-sure thing in Mahomes, barring that kneecap issue he had last year. There is no sure thing, actually, and you're right about Murray, but I still like him better than Williams, Murray, and a first -- you don't know how the first will turn out and they're tougher to gauge this upcoming year because you won't have this year's tape for a bunch of guys.  

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1 hour ago, Milkman said:

12 team PPR 6 point passing TD DYNASTY 

START QRRWWWTFKD

I traded Kyler Murray + Preston Williams + 2021 1st for Patrick Mahomes. 

Mahomes side won. 

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27 minutes ago, Milkman said:

A couple weeks ago. 

Interesting. I guess a lot of it depends on where that 2021 pick is and who it could turn into. 

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12 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Interesting. I guess a lot of it depends on where that 2021 pick is and who it could turn into. 

I'm the 3rd best team in our league but honestly I don't know how anybody can predict how I'll finish. 

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I like Murray a lot and took him at 1.07 in an FFPC superflex startup this year. I believe my team is a contender right out of the gate but if my assets were a little more plentiful I would probably do a late 1st and Unicorn on top for Mahomes in a heartbeat. But honestly I think it's a tough call especially if Murray balls out this year. As a Mahomes owner in a different superflex league I can tell you that it would take a Godfather offer to get him from me. People have tried but not approached conversation level. This one wouldn't either. But I get that the Murray side wins on paper.

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I expect Murray to be a top 3-4 QB this year.  All signs point to a break out campaign. 

I didn't get him though.  Someone grabbed him a bit early IMO.  2 rounds later I got Dak and I expect a really good year from him too.

 

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@Bracie Smathers time to rename the thread methinks?
 

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Kyler Murray completed 26-of-40 passes for 230 yards, one touchdown, and one interception, rushing 13 times for 91 yards and another score in Arizona's Week 1 win over the 49ers.

Murray was actually over 100 yards rushing for the day but dipped to 91 with two clock-killing kneels in Arizona's last two plays. (Sorry, fantasy players.) His performance still qualifies for the fourth-most rushing yards by a Cardinals quarterback in franchise history and the second-most in his young career. Arizona's offense unsurprisingly picked up where it left off despite adding DeAndre Hopkins (14/151) into the mix, operating at an uptempo pace for 76 plays (40 pass, 36 runs) and 5.3 yards per touch. Murray's 13 scrambles included a slippery 22-yard sprint up the gut to put the Cardinals ahead 20-17 late into the fourth quarter. If anything, this performance proved the team's versatile offense is here to stay in 2020. Murray will be a QB1 with confidence in Week 2 against Washington.

- Rotoworld

 

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23 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

@Bracie Smathers time to rename the thread methinks?
 

 

"despite" adding Hopkins?   lol.  Reporters need to proof-read their work.   

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7 minutes ago, zoonation said:

"despite" adding Hopkins?   lol.  Reporters need to proof-read their work.   

I think Roto meant with the lack of practice time/chemistry they'd be out of sync adding a #1 receiver to the mix.

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Man looks like drafting the murray/hopkins combo might work out for me

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1 hour ago, JoeSteeler said:

What was it before?

It needed an update.

I started this thread on this date:

By Bracie Smathers, December 9, 2018

At the time he wasn't in the NFL or Arizona so I had the title:

Kyler Murray 'Oklahoma' 

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1 hour ago, ffmail4me said:

This kid oozes poise. I think he's going to be a top 3 QB by year's end. I'm a fan 

I made this gamble halfway through last season in one league, moving Watson for Murray and a 1st to initiate a short re-tool. Was a little nervous but Murray is so dynamic. 

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He's like Russell Wilson light......with a higher ceiling running with the football....and he has Nuk......skies the limit

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I traded him a couple weeks ago so he should win everybody their leagues. Look at his schedule the next 7-8 weeks. 

 

You're welcome. 

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Kyler Murray completed 26-of-38 passes for 286 yards, one touchdown, and an interception, rushing eight times for 67 yards and two touchdowns in the Cardinals' 30-15 Week 1 win over Washington. 

The speedy, elusive Murray again made defenders look silly on his way to the end zone. He has 19 rushing attempts through two games, a marked increase over his rookie year rushing pace. It makes Murray a potential top-3 fantasy quarterback with a massive weekly floor. He's a high-end QB1 next week against Detroit. 

- Rotoworld

 

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He’s so good, I feel really good about trading “down” from Watson to Murray early last year after I saw him flash in the NFL. He’s fun to watch, and even if he does look tiny out there he runs smart, doesn’t risk his body, and is stout and keeps his legs under him. 

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Murray is a small hoss. Milkman and Dr Dan were on this last year, I was a bit more cautious but he still was on my Superflex team as a second-rounder.

I said upthread that he may wind up better than Mahomes when all is said and done in dynasty, but I wouldn't do that straight up. Kudos to ConnSKINS26 for acquiring him for Watson and a first. Depending on the first, that may look incredibly good in a year's time.

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4 hours ago, rockaction said:

Murray is a small hoss. Milkman and Dr Dan were on this last year, I was a bit more cautious but he still was on my Superflex team as a second-rounder.

I said upthread that he may wind up better than Mahomes when all is said and done in dynasty, but I wouldn't do that straight up. Kudos to ConnSKINS26 for acquiring him for Watson and a first. Depending on the first, that may look incredibly good in a year's time.

Literally days before the season started last season I acquired him for what many thought was a big overpay at the time.  I'll admit, it was risky.  But I believed in the talent.  2QB dynasty league I essentially gave up a 2021 1st, 2022 1st, and 2023 1st with a couple 2nds and 3rds from random years thrown in.  One of the best trades I've made.  

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2 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Literally days before the season started last season I acquired him for what many thought was a big overpay at the time.  I'll admit, it was risky.  But I believed in the talent.  2QB dynasty league I essentially gave up a 2021 1st, 2022 1st, and 2023 1st with a couple 2nds and 3rds from random years thrown in.  One of the best trades I've made.  

I can't wrap my head around it because I don't have the particulars or scoring or rosters for your league, but best of luck with that. At first blush, it seems like a lot, but I have little to no idea how 2QB works in dynasty. I can barely wrap my head around Superflex in redraft. 

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

At first blush, it seems like a lot, but I have little to no idea how 2QB works in dynasty. I can barely wrap my head around Superflex in redraft. 

Haha, its a steal.  Quarterbacks are at an absolute premium in this format, and good young ones like Kyler who have the rushing upside are nearly untouchable.  The fact that the 1sts I gave up are so far out makes this pretty lopsided.  I'll be getting a couple years of value out of Kyler before he even realizes the value out of any of those picks, and then he still has to hit on them.  

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Just now, JoeJoe88 said:

Haha, its a steal.  Quarterbacks are at an absolute premium in this format, and good young ones like Kyler who have the rushing upside are nearly untouchable.  The fact that the 1sts I gave up are so far out makes this pretty lopsided.  I'll be getting a couple years of value out of Kyler before he even realizes the value out of any of those picks, and then he still has to hit on them.  

Very true. People around here sure seem to love picks, though. I'm not as sold on that general outlook. You're getting present value, you argue, and you're right. All he's getting is discounted future value.

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14 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Very true. People around here sure seem to love picks, though. I'm not as sold on that general outlook. You're getting present value, you argue, and you're right. All he's getting is discounted future value.

Yep.  Now if Kyler had ended up being a bust, it was a move that could've sunk my team for several years.  But I think he's put those fears to rest at this point.  

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On 9/22/2020 at 10:50 AM, JoeJoe88 said:

Yep.  Now if Kyler had ended up being a bust, it was a move that could've sunk my team for several years.  But I think he's put those fears to rest at this point.  

No such thing as a sure thing but he seemed about as close as it gets. I like the aggressiveness. 

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I feel like people don't give enough consideration to the fact he is a 2nd year player and only turned 23 last month. He looks Lamar level special. 

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Kyler Murray is like if Sean Peyton was ever able to combine prime Darren Sproles and prime Drew Brees into 1 player. 

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14 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Kyler Murray is like if Sean Peyton was ever able to combine prime Darren Sproles and prime Drew Brees into 1 player. 

This seems a bit premature, but I like the comparison.  I mentioned above that he reminds me of Sproles, and I love that he has Nuk.  To compare him to Brees as a passer......I want to see some more, but the potential is there for sure.  He's got the arm talent, no doubt.

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Loving everything, especially how it starts with everyone having a story of how he practices or studies or works out. "He's built the right way"

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Man he did not play well today 

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Rough game, but still put up decent fantasy numbers.

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Kyler Murray completed 23-of-35 passes for 270 yards, two touchdowns and three interceptions in the Cardinals' 26-23, Week 3 loss to the Lions, adding five rushes for 29 additional yards and a touchdown. 

Not the sophomore's finest hour, though fantasy managers will gladly take it. Murray's rushing touchdown featured an absolutely ridiculous juke near the goal line, and he's now found the end zone on the ground in 3-of-3 games. Murray has four total rushing TDs, the kind of thing that locks in QB1 floor regardless of shaky passing performances like this afternoon's. Relentlessly working his connection with DeAndre Hopkins and finally heating up with Andy Isabella, Murray also continues to make strides as a passer. The Panthers represent a Week 4 smash spot. 

Sep 27, 2020, 7:28 PM ET

 

 

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Kyler Murray completed 24-of-31 passes for 133 yards and three touchdowns in the Cardinals' 31-21 Week 4 loss to the Panthers, adding six rushes for 78 additional yards.

These numbers are extremely hollow from a performance standpoint, as Murray and the Cardinals were totally outmatched for more than two quarters. At halftime, Murray had 54 passing yards and the Cardinals only turned it on when down 28-7. Still, Murray has the skills to save his fantasy football day in almost any game due to his outstanding skills. But from a winning team standpoint, the Cardinals simply could not convert a third down in the first quarter and Murray's overthrows were a part of that. He remains a strong QB1 against the Jets in Week 5.

- Rotoworld

 

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His legs and those short TDs saved his fantasy day. Didn't see much of this game but that's a crazy low yardage total

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