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1 minute ago, Dr. Dan said:

KC is a dream landing

PHI would be awesome

Those are two very good scenarios. I have KC reserved for my guy Darrell Henderson though lol.

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Just now, Iceman03 said:

Those are two very good scenarios. I have KC reserved for my guy Darrell Henderson though lol.

everything I read says he is not a lead back. but that does make it slightly less likely they take a rb high, but I still think it's very possible. 

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15 hours ago, Iceman03 said:

That’s not really true though. He’s had multiple workhorse backs. Even when Ingram and Richardson were splitting they were both highly productive and way moreso than Jacobs. 

When Ingram and Richardson were there they were trotting our very average QBs and were winning with their defense and running game.

This is Saban’s first time that he’s relying on the passing game.

 

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16 hours ago, Iceman03 said:

There are reasons someone is, and remains, third string on their team. Kamara you can look back and point to Tennessee’s staff. Everyone calling him RB1, you going to say Saban was incompetent coaching?

I'd say Saban doesn't give a crap about our devy rankings, Jacob's NFL draft stock, or anything external that doesn't lead to National Championships.  He had three studs and rotated them - he's been doing it for years and is never going to change that unless his roster ends up with a talent deficiency that mandates it.  He also saddled his wagon to a passing QB to a much greater extent than he ever has before. (ot:  I bet after he sees how poorly Tua played he reverts back to better balance so as to minimize that single point of vulnerability).

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Context discovered

Still doesn’t change my opinion on his limited production with a lesser back (I think we’re all in agreeance on that with Harris). I’m not sure where I’d have him in comparison to Singletary, Darwin Thompson, Devine Ozigbo, Trayveon Williams or Mike Weber but I think I’d for sure have Rodney Anderson, Darrell Henderson and Elijah Holyfield ahead of him right now. It’s still very early for me.

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Limited production, went nuts at combine, drafted in 2,nd round by Titans in 2007. Flopped big time in NFL. Chris Henry.

Not comparing the 2 but giving an example of limited production that turned out bad. He fooled a lot of people. 

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I knew he was a 3 star recruit from talking to some friends a few weeks ago. We talk about Saban and I think we should give him and Jacobs credit for not letting fact that Najeh and Damien were the #1 RB's in their class influence Saban's depth chart nor did it scare Jacobs.  What my friends also told me was the major thing that has held Jacobs back was an assortment of injuries, which I think torpedoed most of his soph year.

This is why I"m just not getting anything out of the limited production with a lesser back take. The stable is Bama is loaded at RB and from year one he a 3 star recruit earned significant playing time from the jump.

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Limited production, went nuts at combine, drafted in 2,nd round by Titans in 2007. Flopped big time in NFL. Chris Henry.

Not comparing the 2 but giving an example of limited production that turned out bad. He fooled a lot of people. 

An example sure but Chris Henry rose because of a great combine, Jacobs rose because of what he did on the field and that's where it gets a little different.

I'll give you a recent and current example going the other way of limited touch RB in college. Chris Carson. 213 career carries and even in the crazy scoring Big 12 he barely broke 1,000 yards in his career, ran for more yards this year then his entire college career.

 

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2 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Williams.

lol I actually thought he meant William's

 

Henderson would be a dream. hea my rb2 or 3 in this draft.

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39 minutes ago, menobrown said:

An example sure but Chris Henry rose because of a great combine, Jacobs rose because of what he did on the field and that's where it gets a little different.

I'll give you a recent and current example going the other way of limited touch RB in college. Chris Carson. 213 career carries and even in the crazy scoring Big 12 he barely broke 1,000 yards in his career, ran for more yards this year then his entire college career.

 

Agreed. I do believe he's more Chris Carson than Henry.

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4 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Agreed. I do believe he's more Chris Carson than Henry.

A lot of people compare him to Carson 

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1 hour ago, Iceman03 said:

Context discovered

Still doesn’t change my opinion on his limited production with a lesser back (I think we’re all in agreeance on that with Harris). I’m not sure where I’d have him in comparison to Singletary, Darwin Thompson, Devine Ozigbo, Trayveon Williams or Mike Weber but I think I’d for sure have Rodney Anderson, Darrell Henderson and Elijah Holyfield ahead of him right now. It’s still very early for me.

That does it, he's off my list.  His hometown doesn't have a history of sending players to CFB.

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16 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Agreed. I do believe he's more Chris Carson than Henry.

He's got more sasquatch than yeti in him IMO

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19 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

That does it, he's off my list.  His hometown doesn't have a history of sending players to CFB.

You didn’t read the whole twitter thread did you?

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23 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

KC is a dream landing

PHI would be awesome

As much as everyone is talking about Jacobs, if Harris gets drafted by KC, we'll all be talking about him being the 1.1. Not sure why you like Philly as a landing spot. If you like watching Smallwood get carries over him, then fine. RBBC no matter who they have it seems.

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23 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

KC is a dream landing

PHI would be awesome

As much as everyone is talking about Jacobs, if Harris gets drafted by KC, we'll all be talking about him being the 1.1. Not sure why you like Philly as a landing spot. If you like watching Smallwood get carries over him, then fine. RBBC no matter who they have it seems.

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13 minutes ago, Jello_Biafra said:

As much as everyone is talking about Jacobs, if Harris gets drafted by KC, we'll all be talking about him being the 1.1. Not sure why you like Philly as a landing spot. If you like watching Smallwood get carries over him, then fine. RBBC no matter who they have it seems.

 

I would not be as excited about Harris in KC and I am not sure I'd take him 1.1. of he was the consensus 1.1 I would probably trade the pick. 

As for Philly... sproles is retiring and Smallwood is small potatoes. Jacob's is better than every one of their RBS, and at the very least can fill the sproles role and have crazy ppr value 

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On 1/9/2019 at 1:21 PM, menobrown said:

 

 

Dane Brugler mock 2.0-posted 1/9

 

27. Oakland Raiders (from Dallas): Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama

Last year, I gave linebacker Leighton Vander Esch the “ascending player” title, and this year, that moniker belongs to Jacobs, who is just scratching the surface of what he can do. He has a strongly built frame with athletic plant-and-go skills to run through or around defenders. Jacobs is also a terrific receiver and blocker and could help reshape what Gruden has in mind for the Raiders offense.

Ugh please don’t let this happen.

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@Gandalf - What are your thoughts on this mock draft placement?

In his first mock draft for the spring, NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah pegged the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to select Alabama RB Joshua Jacobs with the No. 5 pick.

While most mock drafts to this point have played it relatively safe, Jeremiah lets loose with his Mock 1.0. Jacobs at No. 5 is just the start of the fun. He also tabs Iowa TE T.J. Hockenson to the Lions with the No. 8 pick. And while we're on Iowa, Hockenson's partner-in-crime Noah Fant likewise goes off the board in DJ's Round 1, though not until much later, as he slots him in with the Packers at the very end of the first round. The cherry on top of the sundae comes at pick No. 29, where Jeremiah marries Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray with the New England Patriots. Jacobs is the name which really sticks out, here. The Alabama back has gained plenty of momentum as a draft prospect over the last month or so, but this is the first time we've seen him tossed out there as a potential top-10 pick (if only in mock form).

Source: NFL.com 

Jan 18 - 1:44 PM 

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23 hours ago, Faust said:

@Gandalf - What are your thoughts on this mock draft placement?

 

 

My first thought is 5 overall seems insane for the real NFL. But that would be amazing! Not happening but amazing

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That's awful.  I realize mocks are for "fun," but if you aren't even attempting to get the picks correct what's the point?

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3 hours ago, Grahamburn said:

That's awful.  I realize mocks are for "fun," but if you aren't even attempting to get the picks correct what's the point?

I got zero sense he was not trying to get it right based on what he knows today.

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On 1/10/2019 at 6:14 PM, Faust said:

I agree that he should declare; however, I can almost guarantee that Saban (autocorrect changed Saban to Satan...lol) is whispering in his ear this week that he should return for his senior season.

Thats hilarious!!

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So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?

I am not a fan of Alabama football like many of you are, but I've never heard of him. Am I just slacking?

So I watched his highlight reel which was all I could find on the guy besides many copies of him breaking a tackle for a TD,.

There are some impressive plays demonstrated in these clips that show he has good speed, power, change of direction ability, good hands, runs WR routes.

Then I looked for cut ups of games. Didn't see any of those. Which is a bit odd for a player who is going to be a top 10 selection supposedly?

Then I looked up his stats, and I see there aren't that many more plays to see from Jacobs college career that are not covered in the highlights. He barely got the ball.

He ended his college career very strong after barely doing anything prior to the last of this college season. He had a couple good games as a freshman in 2016.

I dunno it seems like a pretty big leap of faith to rank him that high with so little information/evidence.

He does look good on those highlights though.

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28 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?

I wouldn't bet on it.  But he's likely to be the 1.01 in rookie drafts if he goes to a plus situation.

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59 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?

I am not a fan of Alabama football like many of you are, but I've never heard of him. Am I just slacking?

So I watched his highlight reel which was all I could find on the guy besides many copies of him breaking a tackle for a TD,.

There are some impressive plays demonstrated in these clips that show he has good speed, power, change of direction ability, good hands, runs WR routes.

Then I looked for cut ups of games. Didn't see any of those. Which is a bit odd for a player who is going to be a top 10 selection supposedly?

Then I looked up his stats, and I see there aren't that many more plays to see from Jacobs college career that are not covered in the highlights. He barely got the ball.

He ended his college career very strong after barely doing anything prior to the last of this college season. He had a couple good games as a freshman in 2016.

I dunno it seems like a pretty big leap of faith to rank him that high with so little information/evidence.

He does look good on those highlights though.

I was the same as you. when reading about this years rb class I was surprised to see Jacons mentioned as 1st rb taken. after reading more on him I'm more excited. if he goes to a good scenario he could be money. 

No, I dont think it's likely he is the first skill position player taken, but I wouldnt be surprised if he went high. especially because many of those teams need a rb. 

I think hes one of the few RBs in this class who can do it all and isnt a plodder

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17 hours ago, menobrown said:

I got zero sense he was not trying to get it right based on what he knows today.

Which is?

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15 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?

It all hinges on his combine measures as well as his interviews (by all account, Saban raved about his characters and his work ethics).  2019 rookie draft isn't deep as seen in past two years. 

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6 hours ago, Grahamburn said:

Which is?

I posted this earlier but might have been in the 1.1 thread. He recently relayed a conversation he had a with a scout. Scout asked him where he rated Jacobs and he said late 1/round two. Scout replied by asking him what does he not like about him to rank him so low and what does he not like about his game?

I'm thinking before that conversation, and maybe some others he has had with that just being the one he relayed, he'd have mocked him in late round one at best. But based on his discussions with an NFL scout he was led to believe that was to low on Jacobs so he pushed him up. This is what I meant by trying to get it right based on what he knows, what information, is available to him today.

Sure he knows that it's more likely Tampa would trade out of 5 to a QB needy team and get Jacobs in the teens but on mock 1.0 in January he's not really doing trades.

Also likely he knew Jacobs at 5 would get attention, maybe that pushed him a little, but I think he takes his craft seriously and is not just some click bait mock draft guy.

On that note I used to love mock drafts but they don't do so much for me anymore. I'm more into top 5-10 position lists kind of stuff but the only mocks I really care about are from those people who get to have conversations with current NFL scouts and GM's, that's when you can get some good info on mocks.

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17 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?

I am not a fan of Alabama football like many of you are, but I've never heard of him. Am I just slacking?

So I watched his highlight reel which was all I could find on the guy besides many copies of him breaking a tackle for a TD,.

There are some impressive plays demonstrated in these clips that show he has good speed, power, change of direction ability, good hands, runs WR routes.

Then I looked for cut ups of games. Didn't see any of those. Which is a bit odd for a player who is going to be a top 10 selection supposedly?

Then I looked up his stats, and I see there aren't that many more plays to see from Jacobs college career that are not covered in the highlights. He barely got the ball.

He ended his college career very strong after barely doing anything prior to the last of this college season. He had a couple good games as a freshman in 2016.

I dunno it seems like a pretty big leap of faith to rank him that high with so little information/evidence.

He does look good on those highlights though.

He's very much a projection.  But like you said, the traits themselves seem to be there.  Obviously there is cause for concern by just seeing highlights and "traits" rather than production with game cut ups.  

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Where do most of you find game cut ups?  NFL Draft Breakdown was my go to site but been a struggle finding this since they went out.

Also on Jacobs, you could put a small highlight reel together of just his blocks. Not really pass protection but some devastating down field blocks. It's actually the most "wow" worthy of his highlights. This won't help him produce fantasy stats, but NFL teams are going to love him for this trait and I think it's absolutely bolsters his draft stock.

One more Jacobs note. Rotoworld has a series someone is doing that is based strictly on stat based scouting. Faust has been posting these in I think the 2019 draft thread. For those worries about Jacobs lack of use only thing I can add to alleviate those concerns is that NFL teams view his lack of use as a positive and point out success of other  RB's who were lightly used in college. But in terms of efficiency per touch he grade out extremely well and per this stat based scouting report graded out as the top receiving RB in this class in terms of efficiency.

I can only speak for myself when I say I focus on pass catching first, rushing second.

Here is fantasy point per game production of top 5 RB's last year in PPR with the first number being what fantasy points they go you as a runner and second being what they got you as a receiver:

Gurley: 16.2/10.1

CMC: 9.5/13.9

Barkley: 12.3/11.7

Kamara: 11.5/11.7

Gordon: 12.4/10.25

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4 hours ago, menobrown said:

Sure he knows that it's more likely Tampa would trade out of 5 to a QB needy team and get Jacobs in the teens but on mock 1.0 in January he's not really doing trades.

Also likely he knew Jacobs at 5 would get attention, maybe that pushed him a little, but I think he takes his craft seriously and is not just some click bait mock draft guy.

It's obvious click bait material.  There's not really any scenario other than what you mentioned, a trade into the teens, where Tampa would be selecting Jacobs with the 5th pick considering their situation as an organization.  If Jeremiah thinks Tampa wants him that badly then he should project a trade with Washington and be realistic. 

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2 minutes ago, Grahamburn said:

It's obvious click bait material.  There's not really any scenario other than what you mentioned, a trade into the teens, where Tampa would be selecting Jacobs with the 5th pick considering their situation as an organization.  If Jeremiah thinks Tampa wants him that badly then he should project a trade with Washington and be realistic. 

We'll agree to disagree

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NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah lists Alabama RB Joshua Jacobs sixth on his updated draft board.

Not only is Jacobs the top rated running back on Jeremiah's board, he's the highest rated offensive player. He recently mocked the running back fifth overall to the Buccaneers with the fifth pick, so, long story short, he's clearly a fan. "Jacobs has the speed to get to the perimeter -- he's a weapon when lined up as a QB in the Wildcat and when he's used on fly sweeps from the slot," he writes. "In the passing game, Jacobs runs crisp routes, possesses natural hands and he's a make-you-miss specialist in space." Even if other analysts aren't as high on Jacobs, it's becoming clear that the 5-foot-10, 216-pound running back has a real chance to be the first position player selected in this class.

Source: NFL.com 

Jan 22 - 7:29 PM

 

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Man when did DJ become such a corporate sellout click bait artist? I mean when a guy does a no trade mock and puts his 6th ranked player going to a team with a need at his position at number 5 that just makes NO sense at all. What a load of crap.

 

 

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