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Iceman03 said:
That’s not really true though. He’s had multiple workhorse backs. Even when Ingram and Richardson were splitting they were both highly productive and way moreso than Jacobs. 
When Ingram and Richardson were there they were trotting our very average QBs and were winning with their defense and running game.

This is Saban’s first time that he’s relying on the passing game.

 
Iceman03 said:
There are reasons someone is, and remains, third string on their team. Kamara you can look back and point to Tennessee’s staff. Everyone calling him RB1, you going to say Saban was incompetent coaching?
I'd say Saban doesn't give a crap about our devy rankings, Jacob's NFL draft stock, or anything external that doesn't lead to National Championships.  He had three studs and rotated them - he's been doing it for years and is never going to change that unless his roster ends up with a talent deficiency that mandates it.  He also saddled his wagon to a passing QB to a much greater extent than he ever has before. (ot:  I bet after he sees how poorly Tua played he reverts back to better balance so as to minimize that single point of vulnerability).

 
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Still doesn’t change my opinion on his limited production with a lesser back (I think we’re all in agreeance on that with Harris). I’m not sure where I’d have him in comparison to Singletary, Darwin Thompson, Devine Ozigbo, Trayveon Williams or Mike Weber but I think I’d for sure have Rodney Anderson, Darrell Henderson and Elijah Holyfield ahead of him right now. It’s still very early for me.

 
Limited production, went nuts at combine, drafted in 2,nd round by Titans in 2007. Flopped big time in NFL. Chris Henry.

Not comparing the 2 but giving an example of limited production that turned out bad. He fooled a lot of people. 

 
I knew he was a 3 star recruit from talking to some friends a few weeks ago. We talk about Saban and I think we should give him and Jacobs credit for not letting fact that Najeh and Damien were the #1 RB's in their class influence Saban's depth chart nor did it scare Jacobs.  What my friends also told me was the major thing that has held Jacobs back was an assortment of injuries, which I think torpedoed most of his soph year.

This is why I"m just not getting anything out of the limited production with a lesser back take. The stable is Bama is loaded at RB and from year one he a 3 star recruit earned significant playing time from the jump.

 
Limited production, went nuts at combine, drafted in 2,nd round by Titans in 2007. Flopped big time in NFL. Chris Henry.

Not comparing the 2 but giving an example of limited production that turned out bad. He fooled a lot of people. 
An example sure but Chris Henry rose because of a great combine, Jacobs rose because of what he did on the field and that's where it gets a little different.

I'll give you a recent and current example going the other way of limited touch RB in college. Chris Carson. 213 career carries and even in the crazy scoring Big 12 he barely broke 1,000 yards in his career, ran for more yards this year then his entire college career.

 
An example sure but Chris Henry rose because of a great combine, Jacobs rose because of what he did on the field and that's where it gets a little different.

I'll give you a recent and current example going the other way of limited touch RB in college. Chris Carson. 213 career carries and even in the crazy scoring Big 12 he barely broke 1,000 yards in his career, ran for more yards this year then his entire college career.
Agreed. I do believe he's more Chris Carson than Henry.

 
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Still doesn’t change my opinion on his limited production with a lesser back (I think we’re all in agreeance on that with Harris). I’m not sure where I’d have him in comparison to Singletary, Darwin Thompson, Devine Ozigbo, Trayveon Williams or Mike Weber but I think I’d for sure have Rodney Anderson, Darrell Henderson and Elijah Holyfield ahead of him right now. It’s still very early for me.
That does it, he's off my list.  His hometown doesn't have a history of sending players to CFB.

 
Dr. Dan said:
KC is a dream landing

PHI would be awesome
As much as everyone is talking about Jacobs, if Harris gets drafted by KC, we'll all be talking about him being the 1.1. Not sure why you like Philly as a landing spot. If you like watching Smallwood get carries over him, then fine. RBBC no matter who they have it seems.

 
Dr. Dan said:
KC is a dream landing

PHI would be awesome
As much as everyone is talking about Jacobs, if Harris gets drafted by KC, we'll all be talking about him being the 1.1. Not sure why you like Philly as a landing spot. If you like watching Smallwood get carries over him, then fine. RBBC no matter who they have it seems.

 
As much as everyone is talking about Jacobs, if Harris gets drafted by KC, we'll all be talking about him being the 1.1. Not sure why you like Philly as a landing spot. If you like watching Smallwood get carries over him, then fine. RBBC no matter who they have it seems.


I would not be as excited about Harris in KC and I am not sure I'd take him 1.1. of he was the consensus 1.1 I would probably trade the pick. 

As for Philly... sproles is retiring and Smallwood is small potatoes. Jacob's is better than every one of their RBS, and at the very least can fill the sproles role and have crazy ppr value 

 
Dane Brugler mock 2.0-posted 1/9

27. Oakland Raiders (from Dallas): Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama

Last year, I gave linebacker Leighton Vander Esch the “ascending player” title, and this year, that moniker belongs to Jacobs, who is just scratching the surface of what he can do. He has a strongly built frame with athletic plant-and-go skills to run through or around defenders. Jacobs is also a terrific receiver and blocker and could help reshape what Gruden has in mind for the Raiders offense.
Ugh please don’t let this happen.

 
@Gandalf - What are your thoughts on this mock draft placement?

In his first mock draft for the spring, NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah pegged the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to select Alabama RB Joshua Jacobs with the No. 5 pick.

While most mock drafts to this point have played it relatively safe, Jeremiah lets loose with his Mock 1.0. Jacobs at No. 5 is just the start of the fun. He also tabs Iowa TE T.J. Hockenson to the Lions with the No. 8 pick. And while we're on Iowa, Hockenson's partner-in-crime Noah Fant likewise goes off the board in DJ's Round 1, though not until much later, as he slots him in with the Packers at the very end of the first round. The cherry on top of the sundae comes at pick No. 29, where Jeremiah marries Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray with the New England Patriots. Jacobs is the name which really sticks out, here. The Alabama back has gained plenty of momentum as a draft prospect over the last month or so, but this is the first time we've seen him tossed out there as a potential top-10 pick (if only in mock form).

Source: NFL.com 

Jan 18 - 1:44 PM 
 
So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?

I am not a fan of Alabama football like many of you are, but I've never heard of him. Am I just slacking?

So I watched his highlight reel which was all I could find on the guy besides many copies of him breaking a tackle for a TD,.

There are some impressive plays demonstrated in these clips that show he has good speed, power, change of direction ability, good hands, runs WR routes.

Then I looked for cut ups of games. Didn't see any of those. Which is a bit odd for a player who is going to be a top 10 selection supposedly?

Then I looked up his stats, and I see there aren't that many more plays to see from Jacobs college career that are not covered in the highlights. He barely got the ball.

He ended his college career very strong after barely doing anything prior to the last of this college season. He had a couple good games as a freshman in 2016.

I dunno it seems like a pretty big leap of faith to rank him that high with so little information/evidence.

He does look good on those highlights though.

 
Biabreakable said:
So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?
I wouldn't bet on it.  But he's likely to be the 1.01 in rookie drafts if he goes to a plus situation.

 
Biabreakable said:
So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?

I am not a fan of Alabama football like many of you are, but I've never heard of him. Am I just slacking?

So I watched his highlight reel which was all I could find on the guy besides many copies of him breaking a tackle for a TD,.

There are some impressive plays demonstrated in these clips that show he has good speed, power, change of direction ability, good hands, runs WR routes.

Then I looked for cut ups of games. Didn't see any of those. Which is a bit odd for a player who is going to be a top 10 selection supposedly?

Then I looked up his stats, and I see there aren't that many more plays to see from Jacobs college career that are not covered in the highlights. He barely got the ball.

He ended his college career very strong after barely doing anything prior to the last of this college season. He had a couple good games as a freshman in 2016.

I dunno it seems like a pretty big leap of faith to rank him that high with so little information/evidence.

He does look good on those highlights though.
I was the same as you. when reading about this years rb class I was surprised to see Jacons mentioned as 1st rb taken. after reading more on him I'm more excited. if he goes to a good scenario he could be money. 

No, I dont think it's likely he is the first skill position player taken, but I wouldnt be surprised if he went high. especially because many of those teams need a rb. 

I think hes one of the few RBs in this class who can do it all and isnt a plodder

 
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Biabreakable said:
So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?
It all hinges on his combine measures as well as his interviews (by all account, Saban raved about his characters and his work ethics).  2019 rookie draft isn't deep as seen in past two years. 

 
Which is?
I posted this earlier but might have been in the 1.1 thread. He recently relayed a conversation he had a with a scout. Scout asked him where he rated Jacobs and he said late 1/round two. Scout replied by asking him what does he not like about him to rank him so low and what does he not like about his game?

I'm thinking before that conversation, and maybe some others he has had with that just being the one he relayed, he'd have mocked him in late round one at best. But based on his discussions with an NFL scout he was led to believe that was to low on Jacobs so he pushed him up. This is what I meant by trying to get it right based on what he knows, what information, is available to him today.

Sure he knows that it's more likely Tampa would trade out of 5 to a QB needy team and get Jacobs in the teens but on mock 1.0 in January he's not really doing trades.

Also likely he knew Jacobs at 5 would get attention, maybe that pushed him a little, but I think he takes his craft seriously and is not just some click bait mock draft guy.

On that note I used to love mock drafts but they don't do so much for me anymore. I'm more into top 5-10 position lists kind of stuff but the only mocks I really care about are from those people who get to have conversations with current NFL scouts and GM's, that's when you can get some good info on mocks.

 
Biabreakable said:
So Josh Jacobs is going to be the first skill player drafted, ahead of any QB in the 2019 NFL draft?

I am not a fan of Alabama football like many of you are, but I've never heard of him. Am I just slacking?

So I watched his highlight reel which was all I could find on the guy besides many copies of him breaking a tackle for a TD,.

There are some impressive plays demonstrated in these clips that show he has good speed, power, change of direction ability, good hands, runs WR routes.

Then I looked for cut ups of games. Didn't see any of those. Which is a bit odd for a player who is going to be a top 10 selection supposedly?

Then I looked up his stats, and I see there aren't that many more plays to see from Jacobs college career that are not covered in the highlights. He barely got the ball.

He ended his college career very strong after barely doing anything prior to the last of this college season. He had a couple good games as a freshman in 2016.

I dunno it seems like a pretty big leap of faith to rank him that high with so little information/evidence.

He does look good on those highlights though.
He's very much a projection.  But like you said, the traits themselves seem to be there.  Obviously there is cause for concern by just seeing highlights and "traits" rather than production with game cut ups.  

 
Where do most of you find game cut ups?  NFL Draft Breakdown was my go to site but been a struggle finding this since they went out.

Also on Jacobs, you could put a small highlight reel together of just his blocks. Not really pass protection but some devastating down field blocks. It's actually the most "wow" worthy of his highlights. This won't help him produce fantasy stats, but NFL teams are going to love him for this trait and I think it's absolutely bolsters his draft stock.

One more Jacobs note. Rotoworld has a series someone is doing that is based strictly on stat based scouting. Faust has been posting these in I think the 2019 draft thread. For those worries about Jacobs lack of use only thing I can add to alleviate those concerns is that NFL teams view his lack of use as a positive and point out success of other  RB's who were lightly used in college. But in terms of efficiency per touch he grade out extremely well and per this stat based scouting report graded out as the top receiving RB in this class in terms of efficiency.

I can only speak for myself when I say I focus on pass catching first, rushing second.

Here is fantasy point per game production of top 5 RB's last year in PPR with the first number being what fantasy points they go you as a runner and second being what they got you as a receiver:

Gurley: 16.2/10.1

CMC: 9.5/13.9

Barkley: 12.3/11.7

Kamara: 11.5/11.7

Gordon: 12.4/10.25

 
Sure he knows that it's more likely Tampa would trade out of 5 to a QB needy team and get Jacobs in the teens but on mock 1.0 in January he's not really doing trades.

Also likely he knew Jacobs at 5 would get attention, maybe that pushed him a little, but I think he takes his craft seriously and is not just some click bait mock draft guy.
It's obvious click bait material.  There's not really any scenario other than what you mentioned, a trade into the teens, where Tampa would be selecting Jacobs with the 5th pick considering their situation as an organization.  If Jeremiah thinks Tampa wants him that badly then he should project a trade with Washington and be realistic. 

 
It's obvious click bait material.  There's not really any scenario other than what you mentioned, a trade into the teens, where Tampa would be selecting Jacobs with the 5th pick considering their situation as an organization.  If Jeremiah thinks Tampa wants him that badly then he should project a trade with Washington and be realistic. 
We'll agree to disagree

 
NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah lists Alabama RB Joshua Jacobs sixth on his updated draft board.

Not only is Jacobs the top rated running back on Jeremiah's board, he's the highest rated offensive player. He recently mocked the running back fifth overall to the Buccaneers with the fifth pick, so, long story short, he's clearly a fan. "Jacobs has the speed to get to the perimeter -- he's a weapon when lined up as a QB in the Wildcat and when he's used on fly sweeps from the slot," he writes. "In the passing game, Jacobs runs crisp routes, possesses natural hands and he's a make-you-miss specialist in space." Even if other analysts aren't as high on Jacobs, it's becoming clear that the 5-foot-10, 216-pound running back has a real chance to be the first position player selected in this class.

Source: NFL.com 

Jan 22 - 7:29 PM

 
Man when did DJ become such a corporate sellout click bait artist? I mean when a guy does a no trade mock and puts his 6th ranked player going to a team with a need at his position at number 5 that just makes NO sense at all. What a load of crap.

 
menobrown said:
Man when did DJ become such a corporate sellout click bait artist? I mean when a guy does a no trade mock and puts his 6th ranked player going to a team with a need at his position at number 5 that just makes NO sense at all. What a load of crap.


menobrown said:
We'll agree to disagree
Apparently we won't.  What's your deal?  Unfortunately, I know the Bucs really well, and they have the worst offensive line in the league and gave up the 2nd most points on defense.  They aren't spending the 5th pick overall on a running back who didn't dominate his league unless he somehow has a Barkley level combine.

 
I ‘ve got to do a lot more research on this guy.  People are calling him the best RB in this class, and some apparently think he is transcedent enough that he warrants a top 10 draft pick - or even top 5 - in the NFL draft, yet a coach who is considered to be one of the best in college football, and arguably the best, and who had him for 3 years couldn’t find some way to get him even 10 touches a game?  Not 10 rushes - 10 touches.  Even in his final season he didn’t get to that threshold.  And while his ypc was strong and improved every year, his ypa decreased every year and finished solid but hardly spectacular - not for a guy with the talent that this guy allegedly has.

Read his scouting reports - he’s an allegedly do everything, no weaknesses RB if you read a lot of the reports.  There’s a really strong disconnect here, and that in itself raises some serious red flags for me.

 
Apparently we won't.  What's your deal?  Unfortunately, I know the Bucs really well, and they have the worst offensive line in the league and gave up the 2nd most points on defense.  They aren't spending the 5th pick overall on a running back who didn't dominate his league unless he somehow has a Barkley level combine.
....especially when they used an early second at RB last year (even though so far he looks like a bust).

 
....especially when they used an early second at RB last year (even though so far he looks like a bust).
This too.  I'm hopeful our new coaching staff can figure out how to get Jones in the game over guys like Jacquizz "he knows the system" Rodgers. 

 
:shock:

I came in here to say how I'm starting to worry he could be a TJ Yeldon type and I see this. 

I completely understand where guys are low on him. the 1.1 thread has a lot of information on how Jacobs just doesnt fit the bill for NFL success based on his college production. a lot of solid points with statistics. Yet I always feel like NFL scouts should know more than I do. they have this same info, and more, and he is apparently being graded out higher than Fournette. That seems bonkers but maybe I should stop worrying. 

 
:shock:

I came in here to say how I'm starting to worry he could be a TJ Yeldon type and I see this. 

I completely understand where guys are low on him. the 1.1 thread has a lot of information on how Jacobs just doesnt fit the bill for NFL success based on his college production. a lot of solid points with statistics. Yet I always feel like NFL scouts should know more than I do. they have this same info, and more, and he is apparently being graded out higher than Fournette. That seems bonkers but maybe I should stop worrying. 
We have plenty of time to wonder.

Just reading Charlie Campbells blurb on him.

Josh Jacobs*, RB, Alabama 
Height: 5-10. Weight: 216. 
Projected 40 Time: 4.49. 
Projected Round (2019): 1-2. 
1/21/19: I know some scouts who rave about Jacobs and think he could have the best skill set of any of the running backs from Alabama's roster. That is really saying something, and a lot of that is from watching the Crimson Tide in practice. They feel that Jacobs is the best running back prospect in the 2019 NFL Draft and worthy of going late in the first round. 

Jacobs is a very physically gifted running back as he has good size and is fast. He has athleticism, agility, running instincts, balance, power, and quick feet. Due to being part of a heavy rotation with Damien Harris and Najee Harris, Jacobs only carried the ball 120 times in 2018, but turned that into 640 yards (5.3 average) with 11 touchdowns. He also had 20 receptions for 247 yards and three scores. After being a rotational back for three years, Jacobs will be entering the NFL with very little wear-and-tear.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2019RB.php#ixzz5df0XelPz

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2019RB.php#vOjg9SvLEpqU8xUl.99
This is what people close to the team know that we would not know.

Folks like Jerimiah have friends who have this type of perspective to share with them.

otoh CBS has Jacobs ranked as the 35th overall player right now.

 
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These young analysts like to pretend they're different from their older counterparts but they’re all the same. Same group think, same fallacy. We know that production correlates with NFL success. There are anomaly’s and outliers but to have the hubris to think you can identify one through college practices is asinine. You have to pile up a mountain of excuses to legitimize him as a top prospect and quite frankly any that they can come up with are already stinky in my head...

Irrational coaching? Nope, this is Nick Saban. On top of that collegiate coaching has been more rational in my experience as college coaches have to lean on and feed their most dynamic players if they’re to survive. Anyone who isn’t an NFL talent doesn’t usually get emphasized over someone who is.

Superior talent in front of him? Not really. Najee got a decent amount of touches. He may be more talented then both backs ahead of him but I certainly don’t think Harris is more athletic or able to contribute as much to the passing game. 

Injuries? Sure one season of a serious injury but he was healthy this year. Why such crap performances and volume against teams like Citadel? On top of that why only four 100 yd games? The teams he did that to aren’t fantastic either (2016: Kent State, Kentucky, Mississippi St and 2018: Oklahoma). 

I understand this class looks thin at the top. He does have receiving numbers that have great efficiency and represent high upside in today’s NFL but why aren’t people putting in due process here. Just because of Bama? Well, ####, shouldn’t the same principle apply to Rodney Anderson out of Oklahoma and Elijah Holyfield out of Georgia? Two schools with a long lineage of successful backs. I don’t think that’s great process I’m just trying to make a point. Heck, for the traditional football guy Holyfield’s lineage is that of a champion caliber athlete. I don’t like what the draft community is doing here with Jacobs. It’s pushing a narrative and a story but isn’t looking at the facts. He goes to Philadelphia or KC, ok, game on but at this stage in the process we should be thinking about well if he goes to Dallas or Carolina do I view him as just another John Kelly? If so, why are we putting him at 1.01 or looking at silly mock drafts where someone has a backup RB being taken around the spot where Saquon f’n Barkley went?

**Five 100 yd games (rushing + recieving): add 2018 Mississippi State

 
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I actually think he has a strong chance of ending up in Oakland. which is very frustrating and I wouldn't know where to put him. 

 
I actually think he has a strong chance of ending up in Oakland. which is very frustrating and I wouldn't know where to put him. 
Raiders would figure as odds on favorite  if you had to pick a team due to multiple late firsts and need. Also this is a very minor point but it was Mayock I credit as first person touting Kamara as a first round talent,  which just means when he gives Gruden his opinion he's not likely to be turned off by fact Jacobs was not asked to be "the man", not that I think anyone is going to be down on Jacobs for lack of usage, quite the opposite.

But unlike you I'd not mind. Raiders were a train wreck last season but they did have some key injuries on the OL and major key is that Gruden likes to to use his RB's in the passing game. For as bad as the Raiders were last year their total PPR production from the RB position ranked right around middle last year, probably just a little better then 16th overall  and right in lower end of upper half. Right now the only two RB's under contract for them are Richards and Washington and both are entering last year of their deals.

I kind of like the formula. A team likely trailing a lot with a coach who likes to utilize his RB's in the passing game and a QB who is more Alex Smith like then people realize and is all to happy to dump it off vs taking a sack or aggressive downfield throw.

Conclusion for me is if he ran well at the combine and got taken by Raiders at end of round one it would be hard for me to envision not taking him 1.1 and with confidence.

 
Joshua Jacobs - RB -  Crimson Tide

In his latest running backs rankings, The Athletic's Dane Brugler tags Alabama RB Joshua Jacobs as RB1.

Brugler has had no cause to shift Jacobs off the top spot since releasing his last rankings set in December. The analyst believes that the 5-foot-10, 216-pounder is "just scratching the surface of his multi-dimensional skill set" and "displays the explosive and versatile traits to be a three-down feature weapon in the NFL with Pro Bowl upside." For reference's sake, Devin Singletary, Damien Harris, David Montgomery and Trayveon Williams round out Brugler's top-five backs.

Source: The Athletic 

Jan 30 - 12:19 PM

 
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Bleacher Report's Matt Miller reports that one NFL team has a higher grade on Alabama RB Joshua Jacobs than they did on Leonard Fournette.

Ah, yes. A compliment and a warning all in one comparison. Fournette was highly ranked coming out of college, so it's certainly high praise that Jacobs has a higher grade than him, but it's also a reminder of the fragility of drafting a running back in the first round, as Fournette has been largely replaceable for the Jaguars. However, something that Jacobs has that Fournette didn't have at the time of his draft is health. Jacobs was used sparingly at Alabama, so he enters the NFL with as much juice as possible at the position. It appears to be likely that some team uses a Day 1 pick on Jacobs.

Source: Bleacher Report 

Feb 4 - 7:48 PM

 

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