Hard to understand what he is saying around a mouthful of Skittles.No one has heard retirement out of Marshawn's mouth.
IMO, yes. In a league where I'm more of a contender than not, I just started putting out feelers to move up and grab him there if the 1.01 guy isn't asking too much.Does this (the torn achilles suffered by Crowell) cement Jacobs as the 1.01 in rookie drafts?
Does this (the torn achilles suffered by Crowell) cement Jacobs as the 1.01 in rookie drafts?
Agreed.I know this statement was made somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but the reality is we have no idea whether a guy who's never gotten more than 150 touches in a season can, you know, handle more than 150 touches in a season.
I love Jacobs' talent, but the "tread on the tires" argument is a specious one IMO. The best indicator of future durability is past durability.
Just looked through his usage and seems willing to do so if the situation dictates (Pittman/Alstott of early Buc years) but if he thinks there's a true lead back,, he'll have a bell cow (Cadillac Williams).Agreed.
I just dont think Gruden is a RBBC guy.
Ouch.Did anyone see the now deleted tweet of Jacobs working with the Raiders this weekend? He looked so clumsy like they just pulled someone off the street.
There was also this hilarious tweetOuch.
https://twitter.com/bairnbcs/status/1124422954127773696?s=21Did anyone see the now deleted tweet of Jacobs working with the Raiders this weekend? He looked so clumsy like they just pulled someone off the street.
Maybe it says the tweet doesn’t exist
Context definitely matters. It will be really interesting to see what happens if Jacobs succeeds or fails, will RBs in college try to have less touches knowing that you can still make it to the NFL?https://twitter.com/BairNBCS/status/1124738606914949120
"And I deleted that Josh Jacobs clip. Can’t take another misinterpretation and overgeneralization of a technique-focused positional drill on the first day of a rookie minicamp done at far, far less than full speed. Uncle. Toxic thread is dead."
Hes a reporter right? I mean, wft is that?https://twitter.com/BairNBCS/status/1124738606914949120
And I deleted that Josh Jacobs clip. Can’t take another misinterpretation and overgeneralization of a technique-focused positional drill on the first day of a rookie minicamp done at far, far less than full speed. Uncle. Toxic thread is dead.
If you looked at draft capital and nothing else he still stands a >50% chance of significantly productive seasons. I do not like him as a prospect for any other reason. You can only fight the odds so much. I think this is more an indication of where the league’s scouting group think lay than the fantasy community. The fantasy community (fantasy dynasty market) is going to take shots on 1st round picks and history and data says they absolutely should.Just wanted to chime in here that there are a lot of red flags with Jacobs as I've posted in other threads.
5.3 YPC with limited usage, behind one of the best offensive lines in college football
History of Alabama RB underperformance
"Limited Combine"
Limited wiggle
5'10" 220
Raiders offense has been far from explosive
It's astonishing to me the fantasy "experts" are on this guy. We must have been watching different tape.
While I do think Jacobs is one of the worst 1.1 prospects in recent memory, I'd still take him there if I couldn't deal the pick.Just wanted to chime in here that there are a lot of red flags with Jacobs as I've posted in other threads.
5.3 YPC with limited usage, behind one of the best offensive lines in college football
History of Alabama RB underperformance
"Limited Combine"
Limited wiggle
5'10" 220
Raiders offense has been far from explosive
It's astonishing to me the fantasy "experts" are on this guy. We must have been watching different tape.
The 5.3 YPC isn't bad at all, Alabama's o-line is nothing special, it was basically 1 star, and a bunch of meh. Jacobs averaged 4.1 YAC, which is very high. Almost 80% of his yards were after contact.
Jacobs averaged 1.2 yards before contact, one of the lowest in the NCAA. He averaged 4.1 after contact, one of the highest in the NCAA. He wasn't running through massive lanes at all.Whoa Nelly! Is this the point of the discussion where we get to make up facts? ‘Bama’s O-line was ranked #2 in the country - and was graded higher in their run blocking than their pass blocking. That offense put up the 2nd highest ypp in the country. Put Montgomery behind that O line and Jacobs running behind the crap that Monty was at Iowa St and Jacobs would likely be going 3rd round or later in FF drafts.
Jacobs averaged 1.2 yards before contact, one of the lowest in the NCAA. He averaged 4.1 after contact, one of the highest in the NCAA. He wasn't running through massive lanes at all.
If they were swapped, I'm not confident Montgomery would have done any better, and its possible if Jacobs had Montgomery's workload, he'd be thought of even higher, since his biggest knock was lack of production. Jacobs had 253 career attempts, Montgomery topped that each of the last 2 seasons.
This is not always a function of the o-line. Poor vision or poor burst by the RB can also factor in that stat. Do you really believe the top college program in the nation that has been built around it's defense and running game had a bad o-line?Jacobs averaged 1.2 yards before contact, one of the lowest in the NCAA.
This is not always a function of the o-line. Poor vision or poor burst by the RB can also factor in that stat. Do you really believe the top college program in the nation that has been built around it's defense and running game had a bad o-line?
Eh, I see just as many attempts to find a good reason not to like a guy.This feels like really trying to find a good reason to like a guy.
Nah, most of those are pretty obvious. You don't have to try too hard not to like a guy with 5.2 ypc while sharing carries at Alabama.Eh, I see just as many attempts to find a good reason not to like a guy.
Oh yeah, 5.2 YPC for the dedicated red-zone runner of the team everyone was targeting on their calendar, while primarily playing against SEC defenses. Pure garbage.Nah, most of those are pretty obvious. You don't have to try too hard not to like a guy with 5.2 ypc while sharing carries at Alabama.
I don't think Alabama's system puts out the kind of per touch efficiency that you think it does.Nah, most of those are pretty obvious. You don't have to try too hard not to like a guy with 5.2 ypc while sharing carries at Alabama.
that's because Bama didn't recruit Darrel Henderson.I don't think Alabama's system puts out the kind of per touch efficiency that you think it does.
Here are Bama's NFL drafted RBs that we've seen play in the NFL who have split time (between 100 and 200 carries).
2008 Mark Ingram - 5.1ypc on 143att
2010 Mark Ingram - 5.5ypc on 158att
2010 Trent Richardson - 6.3ypc on 114att
2014 TJ Yeldon - 5.0ypc on 194att
2014 Derrick Henry - 5.8ypc on 172att
There are some bigger seasons out there like Kenyan Drake putting up 7.3ypc on 90 attempts (though he followed it up with 5.3 on 80 attempts the next year) and Damien Harris had a big year 2 years ago as well, but this isn't one of those spread college systems that churns out a bunch of 8+ ypc statistics.
The tape is eye of the beholder stuff. The analytics not so much; they aren't in favor of Jacobs. People who like his tape are searching for reasons to explain away the numbers, like why his ypc are so low. That's all I'm saying.Oh yeah, 5.2 YPC for the dedicated red-zone runner of the team everyone was targeting on their calendar, while primarily playing against SEC defenses. Pure garbage.
This is exactly what I was referring to when I said some of you are reaching for reasons to hate. The only legit rationale I've heard are his (somewhat) underwhelming athletic testing measurables and his lack of feature back playing time. Those are absolutely red flags, but they are countered by his game tape.
"Analytics" are plenty subjective, right? The data are varied and we pick and choose what we value. Charting past outcomes by draft spot is "analytics" - and Jacobs is tops in his class, according that model. YPC as a standalone state is a poor model. Same with YAC, YBC, etc, etc. I haven't read every post in the thread, but somebody point me to a quality model that doesn't like Jacobs.The tape is eye of the beholder stuff. The analytics not so much; they aren't in favor of Jacobs. People who like his tape are searching for reasons to explain away the numbers, like why his ypc are so low. That's all I'm saying.
The stat requires too much external context to be of any value, imo. Never mind teasing out RB vs Oline performance, a raw number can't account for scheme, competition, game script, etc. Bama runs a pro-style offense and plays a tough schedule. How do you compare that to small conference speed guys in spread offenses, for example? It feels like noise to me.This is not always a function of the o-line. Poor vision or poor burst by the RB can also factor in that stat. Do you really believe the top college program in the nation that has been built around it's defense and running game had a bad o-line?
You said the same thing about Dalvin Cook proving you dont know what wiggle looks like.Limited wiggle
Cook has been disappointing...not sure you want to ride or die on that one.You said the same thing about Dalvin Cook proving you dont know what wiggle looks like.
what does that mean...pretty vague.I think Jacob's has good enough footwork and change of direction ability to be a successful RB at the NFL level.
You nailed it with this one. I cant argue with you about it. He's the 1.01 for me on draft capital alone.Charting past outcomes by draft spot is "analytics" - and Jacobs is tops in his class, according that model.
I’m seeing a whole lot of whack YPC discussion in this thread. Let me try to take CC’s excellent point a bit further. As humans it’s normal for us to want a tidy little metric that gives order to the chaos of a football season. The only problem with that is YPC sucks. It has insufficient stickiness or predictive value."Analytics" are plenty subjective, right? The data are varied and we pick and choose what we value. Charting past outcomes by draft spot is "analytics" - and Jacobs is tops in his class, according that model. YPC as a standalone state is a poor model. Same with YAC, YBC, etc, etc. I haven't read every post in the thread, but somebody point me to a quality model that doesn't like Jacobs.
This isn't baseball. Especially at the college level, these numbers need context.
He's not a typical 1st round back, in terms of production and workout metrics. But the tape looks a lot better than his production and workout metrics would suggest, too. I'm not sure I see a first round back, based soley on my eyes, but I certainly see a talent with a lot of plus traits.You nailed it with this one. I cant argue with you about it. He's the 1.01 for me on draft capital alone.
Luckily we already have the benefit of knowing this already. Because I wouldnt have guessed it. I'm not seeing the same things as the nfl. I'm not alone either.
You have to admit hes not your typical 1st round running back. And when somebody might bring up a black eye for him, we get a bunch of excuses all over the place.
Maybe we all just do this instead:
Off topic, but this concept is now back with the vibrating platforms. It's a complete joke. And people still buy this crapBack in the 1960s they sold vibrating belts to people that didn’t feel like going to the gym, the idea being you could just sit there and let the belt jiggle all your fat away.
This was on an episode of MadMen. Pretty sure it gave women orgasms though.Back in the 1960s they sold vibrating belts to people that didn’t feel like going to the gym, the idea being you could just sit there and let the belt jiggle all your fat away.
I was gonna say you can go get a new one I'm sure.Off topic, but this concept is now back with the vibrating platforms. It's a complete joke. And people still buy this crap
Wash your mouth out with soap, cloppbeast! This is a family messageboard, keep your disgusting ideas to yourself. You probably think personal massagers aren’t for a lady’s aching shouldersThis was on an episode of MadMen. Pretty sure it gave women orgasms though.