I think his numbers with the Rams are worse because Jeff Fisher isn't a quarterback friendly coach. I also think his great year under Chip Kelly was largely result of the Kelly's system being new to the league. Year two under Kelly, he was very average. Both are definitely outliers. But you certainly can't decide to discount the one but keep in the other. It's all part of the body of work that teams look at when deciding how much of an investment they want to put into the guy.
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Nick Foles Landing Spot/Contract Size (Jags, reportedly 4/88 50 guaranteed) (2 Viewers)
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I have to disagree on Bridgewater. WAY more question marks than Foles. He had a devastating knee injury and we still haven't seen if he's the same player. And while he was more consistent than Foles has been over his career, I don't think he was ever as good as Foles has shown he can be in sports. I'd be surprised Bridgewater is ever a starter again.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Oh I thin he'll be signed because of that potential. I doubt a team has plans of opening up 2019 with him as their quarterback though. Someone will sign Foles as their starter.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It would not shock me at all to see someone start Bridgewater and Foles get a bridge deal.
I don't think there's going to be the openings everyone predicts either though
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This is patently false, stop trying to sell it.
I have a bunch of your stuff quoted anyways, you're going to be proven wildly incorrect. Did the guy run over your dog or something?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Nobody bashes the guy more than Eagles fans, it's pretty funny.
They then come around and say "no, that isn't what we're saying, we love him!"
dhockster
Footballguy
I think us Eagle fans generally go by the Animal House Mantra: "you can't talk that way about our players, only we can talk that way about our players!"
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
False? You had one rumor of him to Cleveland and that was pretty much debunked by people in the know and later confirmed by someone I know personally
Your defense is the only thing strange. I state my opinion in the Eagles thread and you argue over and over to the point you create a thread on the subject. Keep my stuff quoted and right or wrong I wont care lol. I don't know Foles personally but you seem wildly defensive of him lol
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Yeah, it's called objective criticism lol. No one is perfect and you can point out their flaws while still loving them. Adults get it
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
These guys are always the best lol. Anyone else?
Tell Jeffrey Lurie & Howie FC42 from the internet says hi.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Pretty sure Bigboy works for the team.
Tell Jeffrey Lurie & Howie FC42 from the internet says hi.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I can only hope that is true, will make this even more amusing when Foles gets his new deal.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Only if he gets it from the Eaglesfantasycurse42 said:
No one bashes him. I don't know one Eagles fan who doesn't love him. Conversations take that turn when people start posting nonsense about retiring his number or that the Eagles should keep him and get rid of Wentz. Sometimes you have to break out the facts (and stats) to get people back to reality.fantasycurse42 said:
I agree on three years. I think your dollars are a little high though. He'll get more per year than Case Keenum (18 mill). But I don't think he'll hit 25. Best thing that could happen to him is if two teams want him badly. If he can play two teams against each other, it could approach 25 million, I suppose. I think Difilipo in Jacksonville would love to have him. They were on that awesome playoff ride together last year. I just don't know if there's another team that would invest that much. He'd be an improvement for the Giants and Redskins but I'm not aware of their cap situation and I know they still have Manning and A. Smith under contract. Not sure they could fork out a whole lot at this point. I'm hearing Miami is a possibility too, but is he a definite improvement over Tannehill? And what's his contract situation? Should be an interesting offseason.for our boy.dhockster said:
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Please break them out for me... You know what, I'll do it for you, because I'm a nice guy. In the spirit of being a nice guy, I won't even include his postseason stats either:
Nick Foles:
Record as a starter for Philly; 21-11
Passing; 748 out of 1189 (63%), 8703 yards, 7.3 yards attempt, 58 TDs, 23 INTs (272 yards per game, 1.81 TDs per game, .71 INTs per game)
Carson Wentz:
Record as a starter for Philly; 23-17
Passing; 923 out of 1448 (63.7%), 10,152 yards, 7.01 yards attempt, 70 TDs, 28 INTs (253.8 yards per game, 1.75 TDs per game, .7 INTs per game)
Tell me about these stats again
bryhamm
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He has a narrative he refuses to come off of for some reason.
His stats are strictly in Philly and and they’re skewed. Show them as they are or in this system if you want a better picture
Insein
Footballguy
I forget what I said earlier in the thread but I see Nick being released at this point. So as a pure free agent, his agent should be looking for a 4 year, $85-90 deal. They might ask for a 4yr $100m deal and wouldn't be totally unjustified but I'd say it gets negotiated down to about 4 yr $88m with at least $45m guaranteed.
There are currently 16 QBs in the league making more than $20m per year. Some of those names include Garropolo, Stafford, Flacco, Eli, and Carr. He's getting more than $20m per year easy or his agent should be fired. The only question is years and how much guaranteed. 4 years is a nice number for a 30 year old QB that has had some great success but also some mediocrity. You are committing to him but not for the rest of his career. It's fair for both sides.
There are currently 16 QBs in the league making more than $20m per year. Some of those names include Garropolo, Stafford, Flacco, Eli, and Carr. He's getting more than $20m per year easy or his agent should be fired. The only question is years and how much guaranteed. 4 years is a nice number for a 30 year old QB that has had some great success but also some mediocrity. You are committing to him but not for the rest of his career. It's fair for both sides.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
This.
I’ve posted what I THINK he’ll get on the open market and why. This thread is littered with predictions yet I’m attacked for mine in the Eagles thread to the point he creates a thread. It’s strange.
He has some soul searching to do to find out why our opinion matters so much to him. We’ll see and if we’re wrong who cares? If we’re right who cares? Or am I supposed to rub his nose in it? Lol
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I'll do that, and I'll also include their win percentages and playoff records, along with those postseason accomplishments/accolades. Should I include their injury track records too? One would think rushing might make a QB more vulnerable to injury.
Nick Foles:
Record as a starter for Philly; 21-11 (65.6% winning percentage)
Passing; 748 out of 1189 (63%), 8703 yards, 7.3 yards attempt, 58 TDs, 23 INTs (272 yards per game, 1.81 TDs per game, .71 INTs per game)
Rushing; 104 for 351 yards, 4 TDs, 11 yards per game
Playoffs; 143 out of 210 (68%), 1633 yards, 7.8 yards per attempt, 11 TDs, 5 INTs, 1 Rushing TD, 1 RECEIVING TD, 4-2 Record, Super Bowl MVP
Carson Wentz:
Record as a starter for Philly; 23-17 (57.5% winning percentage)
Passing; 923 out of 1448 (63.7%), 10,152 yards, 7.01 yards attempt, 70 TDs, 28 INTs (253.8 yards per game, 1.75 TDs per game, .7 INTs per game)
Rushing; 144 for 542 yards, 2 TDs 13.6 yards per game
Playoffs; ???
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
So those are their stats as Eagles, are those the stats that bring us back to reality that JuniorNB referenced?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
They were all considered franchise QB’s at the time those deals were done. Do you think someone views Foles the same way?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I love how you remove Foles’ stats cause Fisher but keep that Kelly guys stats cause they fit your narrative. Well done.
Lets go straight up career or careers under the only good coach they have. Seem fair? Probably not I assume...
Insein
Footballguy
Foles agent will sell it that way. If you're a team trying to get him this off-season, you're getting him to be your starter for the foreseeable future. You're not getting him on a bridge starter deal or a backup deal.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I'm comparing Eagle to Eagle, seems like a fair comparison, sorry one has a much better looking career in that city to date.
They can clearly be great with Foles, I'm glad they gave zero thought to keeping him. We'll see how it shakes out.
Nothing would make me happier than having this guy land on the Giants and haunting Philly for the next 7 years or so.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Also to note, BigBoy's exact quote in the Philly thread:
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
They can attempt to sell it that way for sure. I'd expect nothing less. My question is still the same though. Do you think someone sees him as a franchise QB? That's the ultimate question. If someone believes he's getting 20+ million per year that team is calling him a franchise QB.
You're lying. You're including Kelly's numbers cause they help your flailing attempt at a point. Go career to career or use Doug as the coach. It makes you look even more ridiculous when you nix Fisher's stats but keep Kelly's
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And sadly we will never know the answer...Also to note, BigBoy's exact quote in the Philly thread:
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Well, if he gets $40mm guaranteed now, it will make your quote look even more silly.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
The good part of Foles' stats came in Chip Kelly's first year. It was a fluke, as the following year, when teams had film and adjusted, Chips' offense, and Foles, were both very average. I posted earlier that Foles great year under Chip and his bad year under Fisher cancel each other out. If you're including them in his Eagles stats, it skews the numbers.
Here's a stat. In the playoffs, where Foles is supposed to ne Mr Magic, he completed 60% of his passes with 3 Tds and 4 Ints. And combined with the regular season, he had 10 Tds and 8 Interception. Wentz had 21 Tds and only 7 Interception. These are the stats of a healthy Foles and an injured Wentz. That makes the separation even more staggering.
How you like those stats?
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
So these aren't their stats as Eagles, you need to update your sentence:
Stats I cherrypick to prove my point.
What were their records, btw? I forget, refresh my memory.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I love what Nick Foles did for the Eagles. I wish nothing but success going forward, except when he plays against the Eagles! Wentz is the immediate future of the Eagles for better or worse. I hope he helps win us a couple of SBs.
My prediction for Foles is Jax, with the Giants being a possibility as well. Don't know how much he'll be paid but I'm sure his family will be secure.
My prediction for Foles is Jax, with the Giants being a possibility as well. Don't know how much he'll be paid but I'm sure his family will be secure.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It's 2019 dude.
And yet that same HC used to mockingly talk about Foles and then traded him for Sam Bradford.....
You know as well as I do why they won during that time. Ironically after we cut that Shady guy and Jackson and many others we suddenly started to lose lol
I gave you this year's stats. Even not near 100%, Wentz outperformed Foles. I'm quite sure teams will put more weight on how a guy is currently performing than how he did in 2013.
Stick around son. You're about to get an education in your boy's value. Shortly thereafter, you'll what Wentz signs for. Check back with me.
MAC_32
Footballguy
There's nothing tangible to cite, but given the buzz around Teddy before the injury and how hard it hit the team afterwards I think everyone believed he was about to take off. Neck-up he isn't any different than before. Probably a whole lot tougher than he already was, but he had already displayed that toughness in college. From a physical and mechanical perspective will he ever be the same? Fair question. Nobody outside of those with access to his medical really know for sure either. If that's signed off on I'd rather bet on him than Foles.JuniorNB said:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Not to sidetrack the thread but outside of like Josh Gordon, who else do we do this with?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I don't recall anyone saying Wentz wouldn't get a huge contract, not one single poster in this thread once, but I'll stick around anyways.I gave you this year's stats. Even not near 100%, Wentz outperformed Foles. I'm quite sure teams will put more weight on how a guy is currently performing than how he did in 2013.
Stick around son. You're about to get an education in your boy's value. Shortly thereafter, you'll what Wentz signs for. Check back with me.
Nick Foles has certainly become a mythical legend in some people's minds. They think a 60% 3 TD, 4 INT playoff run is good. They act like his 27/2 season was recent, and they decided to totally delete the last time he was awarded a starting job for team because they don't like they he was terrible and lost the job halfway through the season. Yet Carson Wentz rushes back early from a devastating knee injury and completes 70% of his passes with 21 TDs and 7 INTs and they act like he let the city down.
