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Nick Foles Landing Spot/Contract Size (Jags, reportedly 4/88 50 guaranteed) (1 Viewer)
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
BC the Eagles view him as the future - isn't that obvious
Foles is like Rodney Dangerfield, no respect.
He went from a Kansas City Chiefs benchwarmer in 2016 on the verge of retiring to being a free agent who's going to sign for 20 million a year. ROFL. Yeah, poor guy is so disrespected.BC the Eagles view him as the future - isn't that obvious
Foles is like Rodney Dangerfield, no respect.
dhockster
Footballguy
Just for accuracy, while Foles was average in 2014 (81.4 QB rating), The Eagles offense was not, ranking 3rd in points scored and 5th in yardage. The big difference between 13 and 14? In 2013, the Eagles had the 4th fewest turnovers, in 2014 they had the most turnovers.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
He somehow bounced a pass off a defenders knee into Agholor's arms leading to a TD against Atlanta. The same team that inexplicably couldn't score with 4 plays 1st and goal to end the game while calling 4 of the worst plays in goal to go history .
Without those 2 miracles this thread doesnt exist
And if the ball doesn't go through Alshon Jeffery's hands on Sunday and straight into a defender's hands, the thread is even more crazy. There's a bit of luck in every player's successes and failures.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Maybe
We don't know what would have happened if that ball wasn't picked.
We know what happened vs Atl
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Why can't Wentz be great and better than Foles but Foles still gets a big payday? Wentz has the potential to be one of the best QBs in 2019 and years after. Foles is getting a starters contract soon.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well as to your first point, I think it’s safe to say something very dramatic has happened between his season in KC and the present.
My understanding was that the Eagles were offered at least one second round pick but they wanted two firsts for him (or one first?), so I’m not sure that’s telling.
There is zero percent chance there’s no interest on him this offseason.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
His numbers pre-KC and post KC are nearly the same. He just had better coaching here.
That was a Mike Silver special....we were allegedly offered the Brows 2nd round pick. Made a lot of sense considering they had Tyrod and were drafting Mayfield....
No on ever said there would be zero interest but the market will not be as big as many think IMO.
renesauz
IBL Representative
THIS.....
is not a fact. People are still far too quick to fprget what a healthy Wentz looked like in 2017
renesauz
IBL Representative
The bolded is the only reasonable argument for going with Foles over Wentz.
I'd take Wentz myself, but this is a line of reasoning that at least makes sense. Those trying to argue that Foles is the better QB ......don't
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
You already know I wasn't a fan of Chip the GM from the get go. We could've had a dynasty by now if he did absolutely nothing.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Foles beat Brady and Mahomes couldn’t so Foles will get the 200 million dollar contract and not Mahomes
#sharkpoollogic
#sharkpoollogic
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I don’t think anyone here has argued Foles > Wentz, nobody, not even me. The argument is simple and sound; they can clearly win with him, save some money to invest elsewhere, acquire a big ransom for Wentz, and have a very solid team built with Foles instead of Wentz. Also, you have to have at least a few questions about his longevity and health. He’s prob fine, but it is something someone might wonder about in the back of their head.
This was addressed and surprised nobody. If they didn’t give him that money, it’s terrible PR and a bad look as whole for the organization. They obviously didn’t have to give him the money, but it would’ve been a bad look if they didn’t.
The fact that you consider him just another guy is either trolling or you’re being intentionally obtuse. Maybe in the wrong situation he is a JAG, but on the Eagles he is a leader with ice in his veins. Amazing that those who should see it the most (Eagles fans), don’t see it at all.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Or intentionally obtuse due to the emotions involved. Everyone decided during the impressive run last year Wentz was having that he is the next 15 years of this franchise, so they’ll downplay the magic BDN brings to Philly to sell it to themselves.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The fact that you're so obsessed with how B N's D is could explain why you're so enamored by him. And no one is downplaying what Foles did for us last year. But at the same time, we're not pretending his 60% complete with 3 TDs and 4 INT in this year's playoffs makes him Joe Montana Jr. Foles is what he is. An above average quarterback who handles pressure very well but has periods of inconsistency. He will be the same in Jacksonville.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The most bashing of the guy has come out of Philly fans, which always includes a “yea but, we love him.” Idk why that is, so I have to draw a logical conclusion.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
You mean a childish conclusion, but go on....
It's been explained to you, many times. At this point there's nothing left to discuss until he signs a new deal and you can update all our W/L records accordingly.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
FYI - Disagreeing with an opinion doesn’t make that opinion childish.
Your baseline in this discussion was he wouldn’t see $40mm guaranteed, even if he led them to another title.
I came up with a reason someone would make a statement so disconnected from reality.
You weren’t alone in those comments, although the majority of the people who agree with them are Eagles fans, why is that? I said he’d see $40mm guaranteed months ago regardless of anything, I was basically laughed out of the Eagles thread.
Hopefully we’ll have a better read on how NFL GMs value him within the next 2 months.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Yeah except you weren’t disagreeing with an opinion.
You said:
When you said you don’t know why that is, you’re intentionally being obtuse. It’s been explained to you. Numerous times. There’s no “logical conclusion”...it’s childish, period.
We’ll see in a couple months and you can update our W/L records. You’re dying to be right and it’s evident this means a lot to you. I’ll stop back once he signs. Until then, take care
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Wat?Yeah except you weren’t disagreeing with an opinion.
You said:
When you said you don’t know why that is, you’re intentionally being obtuse. It’s been explained to you. Numerous times. There’s no “logical conclusion”...it’s childish, period.
We’ll see in a couple months and you can update our W/L records. You’re dying to be right and it’s evident this means a lot to you. I’ll stop back once he signs. Until then, take care
You said my conclusion was childish. By saying that, you disagreed with my conclusion (opinion) and called it childish.
There are no conclusions nor facts here as of yet, just opinions and speculation.
-OZ-
Footballguy
The only thing I'm sure of here is foles will get more than Mike Glennon got. I'd speculate that the guarantee will be roughly double, average per year being around $5 million more.
Glennon's three-year, $45 million deal is basically a one-year, $16 million with team options for 2018 and '19."
$60 million over 3 years, half of that guaranteed seems about right imo.
Glennon's three-year, $45 million deal is basically a one-year, $16 million with team options for 2018 and '19."
$60 million over 3 years, half of that guaranteed seems about right imo.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Last time I’m trying this...
This. Has. Been. Explained. To. You. Multiple. Times.
So when it’s been explained to you a few times and than you say “IDK why that is”.... How do you think that makes you look? Pick a side of the sword. I don’t care which one lol
See you in a few weeks
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
If Foles were 26/27 (which is what I believe Glennon was at the time) and viewed as a possible franchise QB I’d agree.
I feel confident that any deal Foles gets the team will be able to escape after a year, 2 max.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Totally missed that he turned 30 yesterday. But I still think a team will sign him for along the lines I stated, guaranteed $30m, 2 years.
Jacksonville seems like a perfect fit for 2-4 years.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It’s all going to come down to market for him and what his suitors think his long term potential is with that team. My opinions are known. I don’t think the market will be strong for him and with Flacco and Bridgewater out there it hurts him even more. I also don’t think anyone thinks he’s a franchise QB 2 years after he was a FA. And if you thought he was a franchise QB after the SB you go get him.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
JFC, and I have a reason for that and you called it childish. Furthermore, in case you’re unaware, what has been explained is also opinion.Last time I’m trying this...
This. Has. Been. Explained. To. You. Multiple. Times.
So when it’s been explained to you a few times and than you say “IDK why that is”.... How do you think that makes you look? Pick a side of the sword. I don’t care which one lol
See you in a few weeks
We’re speaking a different language, we’ll come back to this when it starts shaking out.
Deamon
Footballguy
It's not really bashing. I think we have to put the "but we love him" part in there just to clarify that we aren't at ALL "Anti-Foles" as you like to paint. Everyone thinks Foles is a good QB, played the best football of his career during the playoffs, and hopes he gets a huge deal. We have also seen bad Nick Foles too though... something you seem to totally ignore. Truth likely lies in the middle, like all things. He's likely not going to be a very highly paid franchise QB... and I don't think the league sees him as this either. He was a great fit in our system and played out of his mind, which has earned him a decent contract in a year where the FA market is weak. I agree with the 2 yr 40 mill type contract he'll get somewhere.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
You’re aware that he’s most likely paying $2mm to get out of a 1 year $20mm deal?
So he’ll be negative $22mm over the next 12 months, but he’ll sign for 2/30 guaranteed - does that make any business sense to you?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And if he chooses to stay we’d probably not cut him....
The second his deal became public no one (maybe only you) thought he’d see that money.
Hes not counting money he knew he’d never see. If you need examples look at every cap casualty and see what they signed for after being cut.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This post is such a perfect example of the back handed compliments and love Philly fans have been passing on to this guy.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
You mean they’d prob cut him? Otherwise, that would be a $22mm one year net for him.
Phillys dream scenario is Nick not opting out. If they don’t pick up his option, it’s because they already know he will opt out. If he doesn’t opt out, they can trade him and get something in return, as there will be a healthy amount of interest taking him for 1/20.
Deamon
Footballguy
Again, your obsession with arguments is very odd. Not everything is an argument or needs to turn into some chest puffing battle where you can come back and say "I told you so". It's not back handed at all. Are you suggesting we don't love Nick and what he did for our team? Because it seems like that's what you're inferring. I have absolutely nothing against the guy, no ill will at all. He seems like an awesome dude who is a good leader, good football player, says the right things to the media, and seems genuinely like one of the best people in the league. It's okay to love the guy but simply not think he's a top 10 nfl qb. There's nothing wrong with being a 20 mil/year guy, a super bowl MVP, and a hero in Philly. 99.9% of the population would love this guy's life.
You seem to be trying to put a negative spin on everything just because some fans don't think he's the most talented player in the league, or that the market probably won't pay the guy like a top 10 qb. You look like you're desperately hunting for that argument. We all love the guy. It'll be okay.
-OZ-
Footballguy
From the eagles perspective, they're currently over the cap by about $20 million if they exercise the option. While they certainly can make it work even exercising it, does it really make business sense for the team to use $20 million on the backup QB? Maybe with foles it does but they can use that money elsewhere.
If he's traded he'll renegotiate with the new team.
Not sure it means anything but the eagles just gifted foles $1 million. They seem to genuinely like and will take care of the guy. So maybe they do pay him that much as insurance. It just seems like an expensive policy.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I have no stake in the game when it comes to the Eagles or either of these QBs but I would characterize his post as a pretty solid/accurate representation of the situation.
He started 7 games this year and had 11 TDs with 10 turnovers and a sub-7.0 ypa in the same system that the team's other QB put up 21 TDs and 7 turnovers with a 7.7ypa while playing at less than 100%.
He's a solid QB that in a limited sample size has tended to play well in big moments, not all that unlike Joe Flacco.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
How in the hell do you come to that conclusion from what he posted?!? You're legit block-worthy at this point
Lol It's a great description of what Foles means to Eagles fans but with a dose of reality in it. The fact that you think he's a Hall of Famer and think that anyone who disagrees with you is 'bashing Foles' is on you.
Your hours late on this. About a dozen Eagles (Cox, Ertz, Brooks, Sudfeld, Johnson among them) have come out to say that this is total nonsense. Even some ex-Eagles like Torrey Smith laughed at the notion that Wentz isn't a great leader and teammate. This was some no-name writer that no one ever heard of trying to make a name for himself.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He’s great in our system. Pretty sure he can be great in any system that lets him air it out.
Bad Foles. Bc every QB (excluding maybe TB, Brees, Rodgers) doesn’t have down times? Even Big Ben has looked bad at multiple points in his career, and he’s a HOF QB. And by no means am I saying Nick is a HOF QB, just putting “Bad Foles” into perspective.
Furthermore, if you multiplied his starts in Philly by 7-8 years, it’s a first ballot HOF career. So this bad Foles they speak of, I’m sorry he doesn’t throw for 400 4/0 a game, but he’s been superb as their starter.
And then I see the Wentz comparison above (21/7), what were their records this year? You give me stats, what about w/l - Foles beat the NFC Champs on their home turf to help propel them to the playoffs.
Sure, Wentz appears to have more potential, don’t think anyone refutes that, but the Eagles thrive on Foles.
I hope he finds himself in a similar situation where a team can rally around him.
Bad Foles. Bc every QB (excluding maybe TB, Brees, Rodgers) doesn’t have down times? Even Big Ben has looked bad at multiple points in his career, and he’s a HOF QB. And by no means am I saying Nick is a HOF QB, just putting “Bad Foles” into perspective.
Furthermore, if you multiplied his starts in Philly by 7-8 years, it’s a first ballot HOF career. So this bad Foles they speak of, I’m sorry he doesn’t throw for 400 4/0 a game, but he’s been superb as their starter.
And then I see the Wentz comparison above (21/7), what were their records this year? You give me stats, what about w/l - Foles beat the NFC Champs on their home turf to help propel them to the playoffs.
Sure, Wentz appears to have more potential, don’t think anyone refutes that, but the Eagles thrive on Foles.
I hope he finds himself in a similar situation where a team can rally around him.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’m convinced you’re illiterate.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Believe me, I won't be feeding you any time soon, troll. You had me going for a bit, well done.
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Deamon
Footballguy
1. Yes in OUR system. What system outside of this one have you seen him thrive in? You're "pretty sure he's great in any system that lets him air it out" but you've never seen that.
2. Yes some have down times. But he's also played awful at times this year, and last year. If you want to use the good games to his advantage, use the bad ones to his disadvantage. Truth is in between.
3. The W/L thing is the thing that really bothers me about this "Foles vs Wentz" debate (one that you said you've NEVER debated... but clearly are). I hate when people only look at the result and use that as a point of argument. Had Peyton gotten stuffed on the fake punt vs us and lost the game, you're one of those people who would be saying how awful of a decision that was. Yet praise it when it works. So yes, if our D made a ROUTINE stop on 4th and VERY long vs Tennessee, we win that game. If they make a very routine stop on 4th and 15 vs Carolina, we win. If Atlanta makes a very routine catch in the playoffs last year, this thread DOESN'T EXIST. Legit this conversation wouldn't even be happening if Julio catches that ball. So stop putting those close wins and losses on the QB.
Football is a weird sport. A few bounces one way or another and Carson already clinches a playoff spot before he gets hurt this year, and Foles is likely signing here as a backup qb again.
4. The Eagles thrive in the playoffs. Foles had a ton to do with that last year (and leading up to playoffs this year), but we'll never know what Carson would have done.
All in all I wouldn't have it any other way. Stars aligned for us and Foles last playoff run, and if I could go back in time knowing how Foles played in the playoffs, I'd pick Foles over Carson as my QB last year going into the playoffs. He's got magic in him.
We're just going in circles here. There's no debate or argument, just 2 points of view. We think Foles is a good qb who was amazing for us in a short period of time due to many factors. You think he's a top 10 franchise QB who will demand a massive contract. We're all on the same team, and we all hope you're right.
Are you done trying to instigate a non-existant fight now?
LOL You're trying too hard. It took the Eagles all of about 8 hours after the season ended to declare who their quarterback is. They see the two every single day in practice. They know exactly what both are capable of.
So, you think if Brees, Brady, of Rodgers had signed with the Rams in 2015, they'd have been benched for Case Keenum after 10 games, too? And blamed it on Jeff Fisher? How about 2016? Think they'd have sat the bench behind Alex Smith all year? How about Big Ben? Lol Please. How about any Hall of Fame quarterback? You think his 60% with 3 TDs and 4 INTs was a good post season? He had 3 good drives out of 21 in the playoffs. Why don't you mention that?
These are things that Eagles fans realize. And see clearly. If that makes you think we're over critical of him, then that's on you. I've said about a dozen times that I think he's getting a 20 million per year contract somewhere. If people weren't making ridiculous claims that the Eagles should keep a journeyman and trade a top three young QB prospect in the entire league (and one who already has an MVP caliber season on his resume), no one would ever say a negative thing about Foles.
