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Nick Foles Landing Spot/Contract Size (Jags, reportedly 4/88 50 guaranteed) (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter fantasycurse42
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Would Washington be able to sign Foles with three years left on Smith's 4 year/94 million dollar, 71mill guaranteed contract? Foles is going to get 4 years/80 million I would think. Can the Skins really have 44 million/year tied up at the QB position?
Slider
Footballguy
Right. So if Foles wins another Superbowl, Wentz almost has to go. Then you get a couple firsts and move on with Foles.
dhockster
Footballguy
Plus, does Foles want to go to Washington to work under Gruden/Allen/Snyder? I can't see anyone who has any other options choosing to go to Washington.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Yes, 100%. I think they lose this week and this becomes null. If they go into NO and somehow win this week, I think this has to start becoming a real discussion.
Foles has proven over and over again they can win with him. Imagine they pick up a huge haul on Wentz, with a team you can already win with, has to be some initial discussions going on in the front office already.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Slider
Footballguy
Tampa, NYG, Jacksonville, Denver, Washington, possibly Titans. Just off the top of my head. Plus anyone that might think he's an upgrade to what they have.
I think only the first four. Washington is out because of three years left on Alex Smith's contract. And the Titans still believe in Mariotta. They're not bailing from him yet.
dhockster
Footballguy
What about the Raiders to trade Wentz to? They have the draft capital and I am sure they would love to move to go to Las Vegas with Carson Wentz rather than Derek Carr.
Here's the thing with trading Wentz vs. letting Foles go. One of the main arguments for keeping Wentz is that Wentz is 5 years younger. However, with Carson's recent injury history, we don't know if he will be playing for those 5 extra years. And if he keeps getting hurt, then his very high ceiling starts coming down.
Here's the thing with trading Wentz vs. letting Foles go. One of the main arguments for keeping Wentz is that Wentz is 5 years younger. However, with Carson's recent injury history, we don't know if he will be playing for those 5 extra years. And if he keeps getting hurt, then his very high ceiling starts coming down.
Deamon
Footballguy
Couldn't you say the team is playing better because it's the playoffs and this team just seems to come together and play great in the playoffs? I bet this team would rally around Carson in the playoffs too. I don't think Doug is getting enough credit here. Foles also deserves a ton, but it seems weird to think the team believes in Foles more.Slider said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'd add Cinncy and Las Vegas to the "possibly" list.tonydead said:
ETA: and Miami should definitely be on that list.
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Slider
Footballguy
Nah I watched two years of this. What the team did to make the playoffs was nothing short of incredible. Like they flipped a switch when Foles came in. I've also heard Hollis Thomas say he saw the team quit when Wentz threw that int in New Orleans.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Brand new HC so it's possible, although the guy would need to spend much of his interview telling Mike Brown how he could turn Dalton back around...hispeedthinmint said:
Deamon
Footballguy
Agree it was incredible. But do we make the playoffs with Foles starting all year? Or is he a different QB when he sits back all year and comes in during a high pressure situation?
IF we had game 1 and game 2 (of this years reg season) Foles starting all season, we wouldn't even be in the playoffs. (maybe we would, who knows)
To truly compare, we have to see Carson look bad and the team look bad around him in the playoffs, given the same circumstances.
grateful zed
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
IF we could get a king's ransom for Wentz from the Raiders, I probably make that deal. On the premise Wentz > Foles, but Foles + multiple 1st rounder > Wentz.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
But they were playing better for Foles before it was the playoffs. Rams, Texans, Skins. The team was flat out better with him for some reason. I think he makes everyone relaxed and loose and Doug just calls a better game with him because he can’t do what Wentz can as far as extending plays. Less is more with Foles and it works!
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Foles isn't winning this week and Wentz isn't leaving Philly.Slider said:
-OZ-
Footballguy
Foles signing in Denver to start ahead of keenum would be awesome. But it seems unlikely.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Would love to see Wentz with the Giants. They'd have to trade Beckham to make it happen I'd think.fantasycurse42 said:
Probably.
And I'm not convinced the raiders give up on carr yet.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Barkley & a 1st & 2nd. They don’t need Beckham. While they don’t have any bonafide all pros WRs, they have a very solid group in place. Plus Goedert is starting to look like the real deal, they could have two stud TEs. Barkley is the final piece plus the picks, no need for a diva WR.
That offense would be scary good.
I think Foles magic ends this week, but if they somehow go into NO and win, this becomes a real conversation.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I can’t imagine they dont go after Eli Apple early and often in this one, he’s the weak link, Jeffrey can go up and get it, and Foles throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL. Need to quiet the crowd early.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I get that the stud QB is the key but do you really think they'd trade Barkley?
Philly would want him. Could be interesting.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
They’ve had the same QB for 15 years. I’d think if they believed Wentz could handle the next 15, they’d pay a heavy price. I don’t think Philly would ship Wentz to a division rival for Barkley without the picks though, they’d have to pony up.
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While it certainly fun to think of our current offense + Barkley, the thought of Wentz being an opponent in our division for the next 15 years is the kind of scary. They would definitely need a few first round picks along with Barkley.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here’s the problem. If Foles opts out, he could be available for free. Things get more complicated if PHI franchises him. Either way, he wouldn’t be under contract so trading him could be a logistical problem.
It is said that last off season the Eagles were offered a second round pick. It was also rumored the Eagles wanted two first round picks or a first and another high pick. Not sure if that changes a year later.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Eagles aren't trading Wentz but if they were it is certainly not going to be within the NFC East - and if the Giants wanted to trade Barkley plus more picks for a QB they would have just drafted one instead of taking Barkley - I think they'll move up and get Haskins or maybe even stand-pat and take Daniel Jones and groom him behind Eli.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
That's option B imo.
Option
pull a Browns, tank another year and get Tua. Option A is sign foles for ~$22 million / year.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Sheffter thinks Wentz could fetch THREE first rounders. Damn.. I’d jump,on that if I’m Howie.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Generally speaking, there is usually way more hype than accuracy in some of these opinions. Last off season, there was talk of Foles being worth two first round picks. If what has come out is true, the best offer they got was a second round pick. There was talk last year that Jimmy G would net two first round picks . . . he got traded for a second rounder. I'll believe Wentz can fetch three first rounders when I see it.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Jimmy G off basically 4 meaningful games and as a pending FA is not exactly the same as Wentz being a one time MVP front runner with another year on his deal plus an option.
Absolutely he could. It's Philly that wouldn't do it. There are three. maybe four, young stud QBs in the league right now. Getting one of those is every team's goal. Right now, Mahomes, Wentz, and Goff are the best young QB prospects in the league. Mayfield looks good too, but I need to see a second year now that teams will have film. But he could well be the fourth. That is a commodity that you don't give up. Because it might be 25 more years till you get lucky enough to get one again.
dhockster
Footballguy
You are not factoring in Wentz's health issues. If Wentz was perfectly healthy then yes, he could possibly get 3 1st rounders from somebody. But no GM wants to trade away 3 first rounders for the guy that gets hurt every season.
Luck has had a major injury that took a year longer than expected to heal. Wentz tore his ACL and PCL because of a direct hit he took diving into the end zone. Not some awkward step that he took that might indicate a weakness in his natural knee structure. He broke his wrist in college. None of his injuries are the same. Or something you'd consider chronic. Like a guy who always seems to have torn hamstrings. Teams trade multiple first rounders for college QBs coming out of the draft who they hope might be a great pro QB. With a guy like Wentz, they're taking away the 'hope' part and know they're getting an MVP-type QB. If Philly reported that he was on the market, Howie would be flooded with offers. Star players plus multiple first rounders.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The Giants are not trading Barkley. He is a total stud RB and is considered one of the best RBs already. I agree with your thinking that the Giants are drafting a QB early though and will let him learn behind Eli until he is ready. That could be game 1 in 2019 or game 1 in 2020.
dhockster
Footballguy
I disagree, but we will probably never know because the Eagles will probably lose this week and Foles will be gone and the Eagles will sign Wentz to a long term deal.
Even though Wentz doesn't have a chronic injury, the fact that he has many, different injuries is very concerning. Some players are just injury prone. Since the Eagles already have him, they need to stick with him and hope for the best, but his health is definitely a concern for me going forward.
He got hurt diving into the endzone. So if you want to say that a QB who runs has a better chance at getting hurt than a Rivers/Ely type, then I'll agree with that. Wentz plays similar to Aaron Rodgers in that he's a great passer who also can run when he has to. Rodgers has quite a few injuries on his resume too. It comes with the playing style. Ben Rothleisberger was the same way and his game morphed into more of a pocket passer as he got older. I'm sure Wentz will cut down on the running too.dhockster said:
dhockster
Footballguy
Nothing you just said changes how I feel about Wentz's health. I won't be comfortable that he can stay healthy until he actually stays healthy. And none of what I am saying is meant to be a criticisim of Wentz. It's just how I feel about the facts surrounding his situation.
I'll always be nervous too. But not because I consider him injury prone. Just because I know that his style makes him susceptible to a lot of hits. I was just as nervous last year when he was lighting up the league. Held my breath every time he took off.
