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For a 3rd and a 5th rounder I'm excited about Antonio Brown. A true #1 WR for at least 2 years, maybe 3. Was he a "cancer" in the locker room before this year? Seems like there was a lot going on in Pitt this year.
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1105146218651496456According to @mortreport, the #Raiders will probably not sign former #Steelers RB @LeVeonBell because they don't have enough real cash [not a salary cap issue]
Gurley seemed to have set the bar most recently with a $60M contract, $45M of which were in guarantees.More rumors about cash flow issues, similar to the ones we've been seeing over the past few years:
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1105146218651496456
LT Brown / LG Jackson / C Hudson / RG Good or Parker / RT MillerBrown's record of phoning it in and being unmotivated for the Niners is absolutely problematic, and we'll see if he can uphold the work ethic he gave BB now that he's a Grinder.
But he is a physical specimen that nets out as one of the best pass blockers in the NFL, and with such a dearth on dependable LTs, it's made the position overvalued (and needfully so) so someone was going to end up having to pay Brown.
In addition to the potential that this might actually be a cap friendlier deal, it also helps somewhat solve our line's aging and expense problem - we are free to shed Penn as we did Osemele for some more cap space, and save for finding a LG replacement for KO (not huge believer Feliciano is that guy), the front line - left to right - of Trent Brown, Rodney Hudson, Gabe Jackson, and Kolton Miller seems to have solid promise in making us much more competitive now.
We've solidly plugged up a few of our many, many needs (with many still outstanding) with the Browns (AB, Trent), which also helps us focus all this draft capital a little more sharply.
Speaking of which, how do you think our first 3 rounds should go now, and who are the players we should be targeting?
Who are the draft's consensus top guards? Cody Ford seems like a solid target for us at the back end of the first round -- what about Chris Lindstrom/Erik McCoy? Don't know much about the first round projected OTs to have a sense of how the shift to the interior would work better for some.
With our need of EDGE so keen, if we can't get Josh Allen at 4, do we actually pass up Quinnen Williams in favor of a more pure EDGE rusher like Montez Sweat or Clelin Ferrell?
We do need LB, FS/SS and couldn't hurt to add more CB support.
Or two 3s, a 5 and Cooper for Brown, a 1 and Bryant.Leroy Hoard said:As someone mentioned in the Brown thread, you basically traded a 3, 5, and Cooper for Brown and a 1. Not bad.
He was brought in to counter Dee Ford, Von Miller AND Bosa.Another thing on Trent Brown. Just watched Shuan O'Hara breakdown film on him against Bosa in the playoffs. I gotta think the way he pushed around Bosa had a lot to do with this signing as well.
No, we do not pass up Quinnen Williams if Allen is gone. I will burn this place down if that happens.Stompin' Tom Connors said:With our need of EDGE so keen, if we can't get Josh Allen at 4, do we actually pass up Quinnen Williams in favor of a more pure EDGE rusher like Montez Sweat or Clelin Ferrell?
We do need LB, FS/SS and couldn't hurt to add more CB support.
Completely agree. If Murray goes 1 we are guaranteed Bosa, Allen or Quinnen and that is what we should be hoping and praying for.No, we do not pass up Quinnen Williams if Allen is gone. I will burn this place down if that happens.
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/8/18252958/nfl-draft-2019-quinnen-williams-scouting-report-defensive-tackle-alabama
I like your thinking.Completely agree. If Murray goes 1 we are guaranteed Bosa, Allen or Quinnen and that is what we should be hoping and praying for.
Agreed.Completely agree. If Murray goes 1 we are guaranteed Bosa, Allen or Quinnen and that is what we should be hoping and praying for.
What I'm hoping and praying for is that After Murray goes #1 a team panics and moves up ahead of the Raiders and drafts Haskins then that will leave the Raiders to choose between probably Allen and Williams.Completely agree. If Murray goes 1 we are guaranteed Bosa, Allen or Quinnen and that is what we should be hoping and praying for.
Young and very good. He has versatility. He can play FS and in the slot. I really like this signing and he is signing for cheaper then some of the other safety signings so far. He is one of the better cover safeties in free agency IMO.Agreed.
Grab one of the Big 3 D prospects at 1.4. And then, to mix things up, go D and D again at 24 and 27. LB and CB preferred. Then go RB or WR at the top of the 2nd.
We just signed Joyner (Rams) at safety. I have no clue if he’s great, good or over the hill. Anyone?
but wait. this is a Raiders' signing?!Young and very good. He has versatility. He can play FS and in the slot. I really like this signing and he is signing for cheaper then some of the other safety signings so far. He is one of the better cover safeties in free agency IMO.
Completely agree. Passing up on a guy like Bosa or Allen is like passing in Mack when he fell to us.Completely agree. If Murray goes 1 we are guaranteed Bosa, Allen or Quinnen and that is what we should be hoping and praying for.
Can’t believe there wasn’t more chatter on this.We just signed Joyner (Rams) at safety. I have no clue if he’s great, good or over the hill. Anyone?
I think the rumors simply stem from the fact that Davis, with a net worth of around $250M, doesn't have as deep personal pockets as some other NFL team owners, and the fact that they aren't generating revenue from the new stadium yet.It keeps coming up that the Raiders don't have the cash to operate properly or sign players yet they keep signing guys. Could it be that the Raiders just don't want to pay Leveon Bell what he will likely command? I guess since this is the Raiders there will just always be negative press out there.
During the Rams season of Hard Knocks, wasn't this the guy throwing a temper tantrum one day at practice? He wasn't getting enough reps and walked off the practice field and almost quit on the team. Probably just TV show drama, but it wasn't a good look for him.but wait. this is a Raiders' signing?!
I don't dare get optimistic, right?
This is the only trepidation I have with Williams. We drafted two DT last year and by all accounts they looked good. Can we really leverage all of them? For this reason alone I wouldn't be terribly upset if we traded down to a QB team and ended up with Ferrell or Sweat later on plus a couple more premium picks.Completely agree. Passing up on a guy like Bosa or Allen is like passing in Mack when he fell to us.
The scenario I was outlining was if Bosa is gone (likely, he goes either 1 or 2) AND Allen are gone.
Quinnen was a top prospect coming into the draft and only helped his stock at the combine. He may simply be BPA regardless in this scenario, and we need all the help and talent we can get on D.
But because I don’t follow college as closely as I should, I don’t know how much Quinnen’s skill set at tackle could translate to give us the EDGE help we really need.
So my question was in lieu of Bosa or Allen, is Quinnen’s ability at tackle, and his potential fungibility to help at EDGE, that much better than the consensus next ranked player at the specific EDGE position after Bosa and Allen?
It may be Quinnen is THE BPA after those guys, period. So we go that way regardless and look at seeing who on the squad now and later in the draft can play EDGE.
But we have a lot of tackles right now, and we need help in the pass rush to help fill the hole Mack left.
I'd rather have AB myself.I'd rather we got the OBJ trade though given my choice.
Ya I'd much rather have AB for what we gave compared to what was needed to give for OBJ. Not that OBJ isn't worth it but we got the best value of the 2 deals for sure.I'd rather have AB myself.
I agree AB is a better "current value" but OJB represents a significantly larger return at his age. He's 5 years younger than AB. I'd happily pay the extra premium to get AB's age 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30 seasons back.Ya I'd much rather have AB for what we gave compared to what was needed to give for OBJ. Not that OBJ isn't worth it but we got the best value of the 2 deals for sure.
He's a pretty big boy as well at 6'4". Lots to be excited about. And the best thing is, we have lots of draft stock for 2020 to boot. I'm looking forward to life in Vegas as a Raiders fan!Tyrell is no worldbeater, but he’s a speed threat and a separation specialist and upgrades our WR corps a LOT. It’s a fantastic signing.
Will be intereting to see terms, but this offseason has been dreamy.
Keenly anticipating what the draft might bring, let alone see what else we may be cooking up in FA.
It’s just like the Raiders to take me on that emotional roller coaster from “Ugh this season could be another painful one” to “Can’t wait for this season to begin!”
Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in.It’s just like the Raiders to take me on that emotional roller coaster from “Ugh this season could be another painful one” to “Can’t wait for this season to begin!”
I like the sound of that but I just read Cook is visiting the Saints. I love the idea of having a receiving corps of Brown, Williams and Cooks.Wonder if the addition of AB and Williams will raise Cook's interest in re-signing with the team?
+1000000000000000000Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in.
I'm with you. Seems like a decent overpayment for Williams.$11 MM per for Ty Williams when Leveon went for $13 MM. Hmm. Not liking how that reads. How about spending that money on D?
Gruyock is paying the upside price for each of these big ticket free agents. That usually doesn't bode well. Hopefully they each have a yr 3 out like Trent. $21 MM next season for that dude, cash and cap. Whoa
Maybe a bit, but I think he is the perfect type of WR to pair with Antonio Brown. He can take the top off the D and create space for Antonio to work.I'm with you. Seems like a decent overpayment for Williams.
Could Lynch be brought back? Spencer Ware is still out there, Jordan Howard is likely available for day 3 pick, and not a high one.Who is running the ball for us this year. Although not spectacular, seems like Ingram or even Coleman would have been better money spent than a WR and let one of our camp guys battle for that #3 spot. I guess we'll have a new rookie RB and maybe Warren is also ready to roll.
From what I saw of Warren last year, even accounting that he was not facing the #1 units, the guy looks every bit like the real deal. Looks like a punishing runner with solid versatility through and around the line, and by all accounts has workable hands.Who is running the ball for us this year. Although not spectacular, seems like Ingram or even Coleman would have been better money spent than a WR and let one of our camp guys battle for that #3 spot. I guess we'll have a new rookie RB and maybe Warren is also ready to roll.
Agree -- wasn't cheap, but he seemed to have a lot of interest from around the league and I am glad we got him as a) he is undoubtedly a solid upgrade over anyone we had and b) perfectly compliments our corps:Maybe a bit, but I think he is the perfect type of WR to pair with Antonio Brown. He can take the top off the D and create space for Antonio to work.
I also really liked what I saw from Warren and we could draft a RB or bring back Lynch. I'd be fine with any of those scenarios. I think Josh Jacobs is going to be really, really good and would love to draft him.From what I saw of Warren last year, even accounting that he was not facing the #1 units, the guy looks every bit like the real deal. Looks like a punishing runner with solid versatility through and around the line, and by all accounts has workable hands.
We'll see, but I'm a big believer based on what I saw - and think he's our new Beast that will run through faces and could potentially carry the load as a 3 down back (though we have the luxury of Richard for COP/passing downs).
Ingram would have been a good addition at the price tag he commanded -- that was a pretty cheap low-downsides contract for a guy I am sure is hungry to prove his worth outside of Payton's shadow.
Not that I would rather have Tyrell than Bell, but I like the commitment to the passing game. It's 2019 and I'm thrilled that this shows they know where their bread is buttered. If Carr isn't the guy they are going to know it quickly. I'd like to see them draft a TE in the late 1st too, Fant or the A&M kid should be there and could be studs. Pass on Jared Cook at his money at this point. If they brought him in instead of Tyrell fine but not after that, save the money for D.$11 MM per for Ty Williams when Leveon went for $13 MM. Hmm. Not liking how that reads. How about spending that money on D?
Gruyock is paying the upside price for each of these big ticket free agents. That usually doesn't bode well. Hopefully they each have a yr 3 out like Trent. $21 MM next season for that dude, cash and cap. Whoa
A couple underrated RBs I wouldn't mind them looking at. Crowell and Ajayi. Both are relatively young and versatile.I also really liked what I saw from Warren and we could draft a RB or bring back Lynch. I'd be fine with any of those scenarios. I think Josh Jacobs is going to be really, really good and would love to draft him.
Agree, if they go defense, defense and oline in the 1st round and Fant is sitting there in round 2, take him!Not that I would rather have Tyrell than Bell, but I like the commitment to the passing game. It's 2019 and I'm thrilled that this shows they know where their bread is buttered. If Carr isn't the guy they are going to know it quickly. I'd like to see them draft a TE in the late 1st too, Fant or the A&M kid should be there and could be studs. Pass on Jared Cook at his money at this point. If they brought him in instead of Tyrell fine but not after that, save the money for D.
Oh, and can we please please please get a LB up in this place?
Contract Value in the Free Agency Market is very fluid and extremely subjective. It isn't simply paying for the player and the value to the team. That cost is inflated by other factors such as other teams bidding on him, the difference in other players currently available at the same position, age, years played, injury history, the picks the team has in the up coming draft, the current players and their contracts at the same position, etc. Hell even the continued increase of the salary cap plays a massive role making it very hard to compare contracts year over year.Agree -- wasn't cheap, but he seemed to have a lot of interest from around the league and I am glad we got him as a) he is undoubtedly a solid upgrade over anyone we had and b) perfectly compliments our corps: