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Official 2019 Oakland (?) Raiders Thread (1 Viewer)
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Rock Ya-Sin has the best name ever. LOL- I think Murphy is the better overall with upside to continue to develop. But what the hell do I know? We shall see now while he is in Arizona.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Trayvon Mullen
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Makes sense. Got more picks and I think the next 6 or 7 CB's are all about the same level. I think it is who you like the most thing.
Greedy is flashy as all hell but if you want your CB to tackle- he ain't your guy which is why he is falling.
Greedy is flashy as all hell but if you want your CB to tackle- he ain't your guy which is why he is falling.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Interesting - I hadn’t heard this criticism until today. Was pretty much projected to go in the first round.
I don’t know enough about the true difference between Mullen and other guys around him.
I was critical of Ferrell initially given Allen on the board, can’t be critical of Mullen given Greedy on the board. Both are Gruden/Maycock’s guys clearly. I am just thrilled that just like the EDGE pick in the first, we went DB - another big positional need and they way I thought we needed to go.
I would have preferred Byron or Rock, but love G/M’s next best DB on their board. And got some picks in the process - nicely done.
Also love that we didn’t go Lock, as I continually saw media speculate on, as they did our desire to get Murray in the first. And I bet you’ll continue to hear us wanting a QB.
The only people who believe in Carr are the Raiders and their fans.
So let’s shut them all up this season. The team is now completely different around Carr, on both sides of the ball. Let’s win, baby.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The crap about Carr makes me wanna punch people in the face. They clearly have no clue what they are talking about. Carr has proven he can be a great QB in the league. Last year I think he was adjusting to the new system and the line sucked big hairy monkey balls not to mention the chaos that ensued through the season. The talk about a QB was dumb and I think influenced more by anti-Raider bias than anything else.
Byron was the best CB of the draft IMO. But I don't see that much fall off from him to Mullen. I think Rock, besides having an awesome name, was right in that group of CB's with very little difference among them. Greedy was a stand out because his coverage skills are easily 1st round level but his tackling is horrible. Maybe it was effort but I think it was heart and technique.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
Good player. I noticed him in the Championship game. Very physical and flies to the ball.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am not sure I understand the angst against Jacobs. We clearly needed a RB and he clearly is the best of the draft with a fairly decent drop off to the next group of guys. Seems to me he is a guy that can do it all.DA RAIDERS said:
Chadstroma
Footballguy
May not be the best but Greedy is on liability level.
And what is wrong with Greedy as a name? It is perfect for a CB. Second to Rock Ya-Sin. LOL love that name.
Come fantasy draft time, people will change their tune and I bet he will be a top 3 dynasty pick. Anyone not sold on Jacobs, watch some highlights, the guy literally ran over an Oklahoma DB like he wasn't even there.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Jacobs looks good, but he's missing breakaway speed. Just a minor gripe. He'll be productive, but unspectacular.
Probably you guys all already know this and I'm late to the party but Josh Jacobs, basically homeless through high school and some of the reference articles at the bottom of his wiki:
"Alabama running back Josh Jacobs played on a broken ankle, to have surgery on Friday"
"Alabama’s Josh Jacobs played sick, on empty stomach needing 2 IVs and won MVP"
Hard not to root for him
"Alabama running back Josh Jacobs played on a broken ankle, to have surgery on Friday"
"Alabama’s Josh Jacobs played sick, on empty stomach needing 2 IVs and won MVP"
Hard not to root for him
ICON211
Footballguy
Completely agree. When I watched this guy play last year I saw a guy that can be a star.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
dcgangstas
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Can a brother get a rd 2 to now recap? I’ve had to work.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Snagging positional need continues. Big ups to Maycock and Gruden for not making any headscratching positional picks - we’re building in true areas of need.
Good pick in Mullen to challenge Worley and Lawsen and maybe push out less talented/one dimensional coverage backs. Nothing wrong with building secondary depth with quality upside when our cupboard’s been so bare for so long. Our entire secondary looks fast and potentially nasty if some of these guys flourish at the next level.
Another EDGE/DE in a touted prospect in Mad Maxx Crosby - argument for targeting Anthony Nelson but LOVE doubling down on EDGE depth. Athletic but developmental talent, likely still able to push out fodder taht likely won’t ever pan out like Cowser.
CB Isaiah Johnson only helps us add depth and protects downside of Worley/Lawson not panning out past this year. This kid should be an immediate ST contributor at gunner as well.
TE Foster Moreau - tremendous blocker with great athleticism and while not a pure pass catching TE or big slot receiver in the Kelce mode, can contribute and push Smith/Carrier. Another area of need for team depth for the future with solid upside.
Hinter Renfrew adds depth in the slot. We have guys who can stretch the field, so not terrible to look for a crisp route runner who doesn’t drop balls - something we lacked over the last few years.
I would have liked is to look at providing depth at guard a little earlier with some mid-round talent, and maybe we do that in the 7th. But overall a really solid draft that showed me a lot about this team doing what I’d hoped in sticking to adding starters and depth to areas of need, drafting high calibre overall talent and personalities instead of keying in on a single flashy trait (e.g. trading well-roundness for speed), and getting guys who help accentuate the scheme and build identity of this club under Chucky.
Solid B draft.
Good pick in Mullen to challenge Worley and Lawsen and maybe push out less talented/one dimensional coverage backs. Nothing wrong with building secondary depth with quality upside when our cupboard’s been so bare for so long. Our entire secondary looks fast and potentially nasty if some of these guys flourish at the next level.
Another EDGE/DE in a touted prospect in Mad Maxx Crosby - argument for targeting Anthony Nelson but LOVE doubling down on EDGE depth. Athletic but developmental talent, likely still able to push out fodder taht likely won’t ever pan out like Cowser.
CB Isaiah Johnson only helps us add depth and protects downside of Worley/Lawson not panning out past this year. This kid should be an immediate ST contributor at gunner as well.
TE Foster Moreau - tremendous blocker with great athleticism and while not a pure pass catching TE or big slot receiver in the Kelce mode, can contribute and push Smith/Carrier. Another area of need for team depth for the future with solid upside.
Hinter Renfrew adds depth in the slot. We have guys who can stretch the field, so not terrible to look for a crisp route runner who doesn’t drop balls - something we lacked over the last few years.
I would have liked is to look at providing depth at guard a little earlier with some mid-round talent, and maybe we do that in the 7th. But overall a really solid draft that showed me a lot about this team doing what I’d hoped in sticking to adding starters and depth to areas of need, drafting high calibre overall talent and personalities instead of keying in on a single flashy trait (e.g. trading well-roundness for speed), and getting guys who help accentuate the scheme and build identity of this club under Chucky.
Solid B draft.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
And we signed Te’Von Coney, MLB from Notre Dame, as an UFDA.
Super solid nab at yet another positional need.
Guy had a 90.5 coverage grade as an MLB (compare to Devin White at 91.6).
5th best-graded MLB run defender overall (91.7).
22nd best in the nation at his position in pass rush productivity (18.84).
4th best tackler at his position, allowing just 0.34 yards/snap (10th overall).
Super solid nab at yet another positional need.
Guy had a 90.5 coverage grade as an MLB (compare to Devin White at 91.6).
5th best-graded MLB run defender overall (91.7).
22nd best in the nation at his position in pass rush productivity (18.84).
4th best tackler at his position, allowing just 0.34 yards/snap (10th overall).
Chadstroma
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
As far as I can tell the current undrafted FA's:
Wisconsin FB Alec Ingold
UC Davis WR Keelan Doss
Alabama OG Lester Cotton Sr
Notre Dame LB Te’von Coney
Fordham CB Dylan Mabin
Penn State LB Koa Farmer
UCLA OT Andre James
Wisconsin FB Alec Ingold
UC Davis WR Keelan Doss
Alabama OG Lester Cotton Sr
Notre Dame LB Te’von Coney
Fordham CB Dylan Mabin
Penn State LB Koa Farmer
UCLA OT Andre James
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Thanks for this. Love seeing our positional needs/depth continued being met -- a few offensive linemen, a few LBs. Rare UDFAs come out of nowhere to be solid starters, but ya never know.
Camp competition will be really interesting this year across a lot of positions.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
Gruden is giving Johnathan Abram #24.
Willie Brown and Charles Woodson's number. You better live up to that standard young fella.
Willie Brown and Charles Woodson's number. You better live up to that standard young fella.
Now that Crowell tore his Achilles yesterday, currently there is no one standing in Jacobs' way.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
This definitely affects our depth at RB.
Wondering if we look to resign Doug Martin. Didn't do a whole lot of research of who is still a FA but guys like Ajayi, Sproles, Powell, Javorious Allen, Alex Collions, Alfred Morris, Chris Ivory, and Stevan Ridley might still be available, but not sure how much we would need to still pay Crowell and have enough cap room to bring in another vet.
I think a combo of Jacobs, Richard, and Warren brings us all the skill set we need, but it's wholly untested and highly risky -- no question depth at RB is one of the most important things an NFL team can have. And having some veteran ability helps.
ETA: Crow was signed to a one-year deal that was worth up to $2.5, but seems to be $300K in dead money (his guaranteed salary) against an overall cap # of $1.25M. So does the team cut him now and save $900K in cap savings? Or given injury, do they actually need to carry him and his cap hit until he's healed? Have no idea how this works, and don't know what the impact to our cap is (in terms of how much overall space we have and who we may still pursue in FA, @ RB or otherwise).
Wondering if we look to resign Doug Martin. Didn't do a whole lot of research of who is still a FA but guys like Ajayi, Sproles, Powell, Javorious Allen, Alex Collions, Alfred Morris, Chris Ivory, and Stevan Ridley might still be available, but not sure how much we would need to still pay Crowell and have enough cap room to bring in another vet.
I think a combo of Jacobs, Richard, and Warren brings us all the skill set we need, but it's wholly untested and highly risky -- no question depth at RB is one of the most important things an NFL team can have. And having some veteran ability helps.
ETA: Crow was signed to a one-year deal that was worth up to $2.5, but seems to be $300K in dead money (his guaranteed salary) against an overall cap # of $1.25M. So does the team cut him now and save $900K in cap savings? Or given injury, do they actually need to carry him and his cap hit until he's healed? Have no idea how this works, and don't know what the impact to our cap is (in terms of how much overall space we have and who we may still pursue in FA, @ RB or otherwise).
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Just my personal opinion, but they're all in on Jacobs. 1st round pick, very low miles. Gruden is going to use him, and he's gonna use him a lot! Richard and Washington and possibly Warren will be there to give him a rest. But mark my words now, Jacobs is going to get a ton of touches out of the gate and health permitting, all season long.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'd like to see them sign Ajayi for depth. He has a similar skillset to Jacobs and is fairly young, but with a lot of mileage and creaky knees. If he checks out medically to be able to last a season in a backup role, he's be my top choice, followed by the Muscle Hammy. I don't trust CWIII at all to stay healthy. Dude is fun to watch, but he won't last more than a game or three with his running style.
Not sure how the Crow's cap hit will work now. I think they can come up with an injury settlement where he only counts the dead money of getting cut, but actually gets paid more by the team to send him off. That's a wild ### guess though, so don't take it as actual insight. That's how a situation like this should work anyway.
Not sure how the Crow's cap hit will work now. I think they can come up with an injury settlement where he only counts the dead money of getting cut, but actually gets paid more by the team to send him off. That's a wild ### guess though, so don't take it as actual insight. That's how a situation like this should work anyway.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Looks like we signed the Muscle Hamster back. Good move if only for (likely) cheap depth.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Doug Martin is back
LawFitz
Footballguy
Still concerned about edge rush. Cle pick seems reasonable all considered, but I don't expect him to be an instant pressure guy. Key better level up this offseason or QBs are gonna feast on Oakland again in 2019. Mad Maxx and the 7th Rd WR/ED look to be at least a year away from making an impact.
Maybe time to finally kick the tires on Ansah, if he's willing to take a 1-2 yr prove-it deal. Dion Jordan and old men Chris Long and Will Hayes could also be worthwhile considerations. Feel like they need to do something more here.
Maybe time to finally kick the tires on Ansah, if he's willing to take a 1-2 yr prove-it deal. Dion Jordan and old men Chris Long and Will Hayes could also be worthwhile considerations. Feel like they need to do something more here.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Agreed. Was looking forward to Crow getting some decent touches. He was a solid RB and much better than Doug Martin. Feels like the Raiders are going with OK here instead of gambling on a potentially more explosive, dynamic RB.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I heard it reported that they tried to move back but couldn't find a partner so they took their guy with Ferrell.
ICON211
Footballguy
This is the Josh Jacobs show. Running back depth can be important, but I don't think Crowell was going to see more than 3-4 carries per game. It sucks that he got hurt, but I didn't view him as a big time talent. I think the Doug Martin signing is fine and he is a solid vet. Obviously Jacobs hasn't handled a massive load so hopefully he will hold up, but he is going to get the opportunity to do so and was going to even if Cro didn't get hurt.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Hard to know, but I think it was going to be much more of a timeshare, at least in year 1. Crow is/was underrated. He would've gotten anywhere from 30-60% of the load early on as they eased the rookie in. Now they either have to force feed the young buck or settle for MH/BM to serve a similar role with a lot less juice. Total bummer.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I think that if Warren can develop into the thumper he looked like in preseason, we may have a great new Wheatley/Garner- Thunder/Lightning combo for the future.
But that's best case scenario.
I am hoping Jacobs flashes his skills at this next level as he did in college, and develops into a consistent early down back. With Richard we have a dependable passing down back, though I know Jacobs has great hands and open field burst too. I think it's safest to platoon Jacobs as he adjusts to both this next level and to test his ability and workload.
All we need is a solid credible running threat to take advantage of the slot and the 7-12 yard space Carr seems to be great at. I trust Gruden to dial up enough of a balanced and unpredictable attack that if executed, could make us a solid move-the-chains offense.
Like @LawFitz, it's the defense I'm most worried about. Lot of potential, but has yet to prove to be a middle-of-the-road or better D.
But that's best case scenario.
I am hoping Jacobs flashes his skills at this next level as he did in college, and develops into a consistent early down back. With Richard we have a dependable passing down back, though I know Jacobs has great hands and open field burst too. I think it's safest to platoon Jacobs as he adjusts to both this next level and to test his ability and workload.
All we need is a solid credible running threat to take advantage of the slot and the 7-12 yard space Carr seems to be great at. I trust Gruden to dial up enough of a balanced and unpredictable attack that if executed, could make us a solid move-the-chains offense.
Like @LawFitz, it's the defense I'm most worried about. Lot of potential, but has yet to prove to be a middle-of-the-road or better D.
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