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QB Dwayne Haskins - 04.09.2022 - struck by car and killed (1 Viewer)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm starting to come around
The Frankman
Footballguy
Definitely think he can be a "sit for a year" QB under Eli Manning. He's got the arm for MetLife in Winter, he's got the size and athleticism and he's got decent awareness. Getting tutored by any of the Mannings would be great.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
The Frankman
Footballguy
... do they even let him on the field during Archie's QB camps? I kinda think they let him be a towelboy or something.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Would love to get him in Dynasty but he won't be there when my picks come.
Boy, he really slings it but it caught me off guard how doughy he looked at the combine. Anyone know how much he cares about football and/or what his work ethic is like? By physical appearance, I’d have some concerns that he’s a guy that gets by on natural ability moreso than hard work. Admittedly I haven’t followed him much.
Khy
Footballguy
As far as I'm concerned, Haskins checks nearly every box in what you'd want in a QB.
Size - Dude's a prototype in this department, he's big, he's meaty, he's not going to be easy to sack and he has that nice thick frame where he can take a hit and get back up without much issue.
Arm Strength - He's not quite Mike Vick, but he can throw it 40 yards downfield on a dime and displayed that a lot last year. I can live with him not being able to throw it 85 yards the 5 times a season that type of play opens up.
Accuracy - Kids hyper accurate on short/intermediate throws and seems to have consistently improved his deep ball accuracy as the season progressed last year.
Footwork - Good footwork, not elite, but really good for his age an experience. He can get a little sloppy sometimes with it when throwing on the run, but most QBs get a bit sloppy throwing on the run, I'm sure this is something that'd be worked on a lot in the pros.
Pocket Presence - Natural. Fluid. Those would be the best words I could use to describe him in the pocket. He seems to have that spidey sense for the pocket collapsing around him.
Release - There was a tweet yesterday I saw that he basically tested in the elite category for release time and you can see that in his tape too. He has an extremely tight, compressed release. Guy gets the ball out of his hand so fast it's almost hard to see it on film, one minute the balls in his chest, you blink and it's in the air. This is a HUGE part of the game that's really a lot harder to fix this late in your life. Having a naturally fast release is a huge benefit to him.
Character - From everything I've read and interviews I've watched, he's basically Saquon Barkley of QBs. Straight A student his whole life, nobody ever had anything bad to say about him, seems like he has a great head on his shoulders.
Football IQ - This is a bit tougher to gauge but from watching him on the field and watching a few of those NFL Network/ESPN interviews with him on the XOs he seems to have a really high football IQ. Couple that with his high character and it makes for an ideal pairing for a locker room leader at the position.
Downfield Vision - Watch film when this kid is under pressure, early in the season he would look down a lot at the defender coming into his face, but after the first few games he really seemed to fall into a Drew Brees like pattern. When he's scrambling he never seems to take his eye off his receivers, always going through his progressions. He also seems to be really good at going through his reads, very fast, very fluid, has a natural ability for looking defenders off that you don't usually see from a college QB, especially a 1st year starter.
Coachability - This is the biggest pro to me for Haskins. We saw him go from incredibly raw, to being one of the most refined all around QBs in college by the end of the season. He never really regressed, every game he was building upon an aspect of his game. If he's able to do that in a single season in college, imagine what he could do with the amount of coaches and support staff he'd have in the pros. He seems like a student of the game. There are countless examples of QBs with all the skills but could never put it together because they didn't take to coaching well. Haskins seems to have all the skills and the ability to be coached up. In the right hands, he could be a dominant force in the NFL in a few years.
Speed/Mobility - His biggest con probably, he's a pocket passer, a lot of people want to see him run more and I do think he'll run better than the 5.04 he ran at the combine at his pro day. He was dealing with cramps and seemed to show better speed on tape than 5.04, which is Eli/Peyton/Brady levels of slow. I think he'll clock more in the 4.75-4.80 range at his pro day. Far from Kyler Murray/Michael Vick territory, but he can move when he needs too.
Experience - Simply put, he's a one year starter. That's scary for some teams, you never know if he just had that one Cinderella season (ala 2013 Nick Foles) and then regress heavily from there.
But as a Giants fan, I for one am hoping they're all in on Haskins. I personally like him about as much as I liked Darnold and Mayfield last year. If he had the tape he had from this year but came out last year, I'd have probably had him in that top tier with those two and above Rosen and Allen.
Size - Dude's a prototype in this department, he's big, he's meaty, he's not going to be easy to sack and he has that nice thick frame where he can take a hit and get back up without much issue.
Arm Strength - He's not quite Mike Vick, but he can throw it 40 yards downfield on a dime and displayed that a lot last year. I can live with him not being able to throw it 85 yards the 5 times a season that type of play opens up.
Accuracy - Kids hyper accurate on short/intermediate throws and seems to have consistently improved his deep ball accuracy as the season progressed last year.
Footwork - Good footwork, not elite, but really good for his age an experience. He can get a little sloppy sometimes with it when throwing on the run, but most QBs get a bit sloppy throwing on the run, I'm sure this is something that'd be worked on a lot in the pros.
Pocket Presence - Natural. Fluid. Those would be the best words I could use to describe him in the pocket. He seems to have that spidey sense for the pocket collapsing around him.
Release - There was a tweet yesterday I saw that he basically tested in the elite category for release time and you can see that in his tape too. He has an extremely tight, compressed release. Guy gets the ball out of his hand so fast it's almost hard to see it on film, one minute the balls in his chest, you blink and it's in the air. This is a HUGE part of the game that's really a lot harder to fix this late in your life. Having a naturally fast release is a huge benefit to him.
Character - From everything I've read and interviews I've watched, he's basically Saquon Barkley of QBs. Straight A student his whole life, nobody ever had anything bad to say about him, seems like he has a great head on his shoulders.
Football IQ - This is a bit tougher to gauge but from watching him on the field and watching a few of those NFL Network/ESPN interviews with him on the XOs he seems to have a really high football IQ. Couple that with his high character and it makes for an ideal pairing for a locker room leader at the position.
Downfield Vision - Watch film when this kid is under pressure, early in the season he would look down a lot at the defender coming into his face, but after the first few games he really seemed to fall into a Drew Brees like pattern. When he's scrambling he never seems to take his eye off his receivers, always going through his progressions. He also seems to be really good at going through his reads, very fast, very fluid, has a natural ability for looking defenders off that you don't usually see from a college QB, especially a 1st year starter.
Coachability - This is the biggest pro to me for Haskins. We saw him go from incredibly raw, to being one of the most refined all around QBs in college by the end of the season. He never really regressed, every game he was building upon an aspect of his game. If he's able to do that in a single season in college, imagine what he could do with the amount of coaches and support staff he'd have in the pros. He seems like a student of the game. There are countless examples of QBs with all the skills but could never put it together because they didn't take to coaching well. Haskins seems to have all the skills and the ability to be coached up. In the right hands, he could be a dominant force in the NFL in a few years.
Speed/Mobility - His biggest con probably, he's a pocket passer, a lot of people want to see him run more and I do think he'll run better than the 5.04 he ran at the combine at his pro day. He was dealing with cramps and seemed to show better speed on tape than 5.04, which is Eli/Peyton/Brady levels of slow. I think he'll clock more in the 4.75-4.80 range at his pro day. Far from Kyler Murray/Michael Vick territory, but he can move when he needs too.
Experience - Simply put, he's a one year starter. That's scary for some teams, you never know if he just had that one Cinderella season (ala 2013 Nick Foles) and then regress heavily from there.
But as a Giants fan, I for one am hoping they're all in on Haskins. I personally like him about as much as I liked Darnold and Mayfield last year. If he had the tape he had from this year but came out last year, I'd have probably had him in that top tier with those two and above Rosen and Allen.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Between the above and this, this is starting to have the feel of a massive smoke screen by NY, with Russini the unwitting dupe.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I don't know the Giants have been proven to be pretty stupid, but paying the price to move up to #2 to get him? Maybe they are reluctant to do that.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
If he is drafted by the Giants, is he an attractive rookie target? With OBJ/Engram/Barkley I was stoked about this spot and potentially targeting him. Now without OBJ I'm not so sure. Obviously I expect NY to draft a WR at some point but I'm not sure what I think about this perceived inevitable landing spot.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Watching his pro day for about 5 minutes here over lunch. To my untrained eye he looks awesome. Quick feet, quicker release. Compact throwing motion.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Looks like Doug Williams to me.
Maybe Jim Kelly?
Maybe Jim Kelly?
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I think it'd be a big risk for Washington to trade up for Haskins. He's a lot like Rosen was last year to me, medium risk, but high reward. For the cost it would take to trade up to 3, I'd rather just either pay more to move up to #1 and take Murray, who has a higher floor and ceiling in my eyes, or just trade for Rosen for much less.
The Frankman
Footballguy
When I saw the Giants contingent they're seriously doing legit research on the man, contrary to the "Giants haven't paid attention to Haskins" smoke released recently. With the questionable moves Gettleman has made recently there's no real guarantee they'll be bad enough to tank for Tua; have to take Haskins at #6 if you're the Giants.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Doubtful he's available at #6.The Frankman said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yeah, at this point I'm pretty sure any mock that doesn't have Murray & Haskins both in the top 6 is wrong.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Interesting that Jeremiah seems to think that for scouts it’s somehow a game of Haskins vs Murray. They are completely different QB’s and personalities. I think both will have a lot of success in the NFL. I think Drew Lock also has the potential to be a good QB and won’t shy away from him either in the right situation for dynasty rookie drafts.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
If Tampa doesn't have a shot at Bosa, Allen, or Williams the 5th pick goes to the highest bidder. A team may need to even go up to #2.
Faust
MVP
I agree. Funny to see this type of mock getting posted the day after his Pro Day:
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Mock drafters don't seem too keen on predicting trades, but they happen every year. Those teams in the teens know they need to get in front of the Giants to select Haskins.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
fixed. dont put it past the Raiders to take Haskins. Even TB. Teams 4, 5, 6 ,7, 10, 11 all could use a young/future qb...
This is amazing news for the Jets
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