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I can make the same argument about firearms. If there was a ban on firearms, the desire to 3d print them would skyrocket. The only reason it hasn't is because they are readily available.
Not even close to the same and why you and stealthy get told time and time again how they should be discussed separately.
Which part isn't close? The fact that people under legal age are gaining access to items? Or that innocent lives are lost each year because of it?
Since we are in the technology age, I would think more kids would have the skills to make a gun. We may not have the exact technology now. But think where 3d printing was 10 years ago. Do you think that technology is slowing down? I don't.
What would be easier to prevent, the making homemade guns or homemade alcohol? Remember, alcohol occurs naturally.
I guess I need to try to be more clear tonight. I still dont see in that where I am saying that it is ok that people are dying via duis, which seems to be what you think I am saying.
Did a little research for you. Did you know that:
You said that you accept the possible risk of driving an ATV. And that risk is not the same as a risk that you accept sitting at a concert or school.
What do you mean you don't accept that risk? How do you not accept it?
It's not that I can do anything about it. It was comparative to KarmaPolice saying that being killed while going to a concert or church is not acceptable. Neither death is acceptable.
I'll even take your comment one step further.
I thought I heard/read recently that Millennials and Gen Z have the lowest % getting drivers licenses. I wonder how much that factors into the drop in %s that chart shows.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation estimates 1,017,808 drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics in 2016. The arrest rate works out to one arrest for about every 215 licensed drivers in the United States.
So how much was booze, how much was narcotics? Are prescription meds in your numbers too?
I was focusing on drunk driving alcohol
I just find some of your posts and links frustrating because you say you are talking about one thing, but then link to something that talks about something else or has multiple factors in the stats, like that one did.
Does it matter? DUI stands for Driving Under (the) Influence. We know that most states have laws against narcotics.
Of course stats matter, and it matters when people are just talking about booze when problem solving solutions for DUIs.
I like to know when people talk about an issue, what we are talking about. SC brings up booze, then posts stats about booze and narcotics, so I asked a question about what we were talking about.
Example- we see a spike in narcotics/prescription drugs instead of alcohol related incidents over a period of time and we probably have to talk about different solutions. That's all I am getting at.
Seems that our regulations around driver's licenses is working pretty well.
Interesting post and comments.
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Australia has a lower drunk driving threshold than many countries (.05), which causes their fatality rate to seem higher than it would be if the threshold was .08.
We talk about how it doesn't matter when it comes to guns. Why does it matter when it comes to alcohol. If people are dying, does it matter?
Talk about the gun culture not mattering? That is brought up a bit, especially when talking about noncompliance and not participating in any buy back plans.
Not sure your point. Culture really has nothing to do with the gun issue any longer. We are beyond that. It would be the same as saying we should continue to have slaves because that was the culture 200 years ago.
Is that the same as "thoughts and prayers"?
Based on your post, it sounds like you (and society) is okay with the number of deaths resulting from alcohol. As to the bolded, is it okay for people to say they are for tougher gun laws, but equally okay if no laws are changed? Talk the talk or walk the walk. Even the laws that are in place are not preventing anyone from getting alcohol. By contrast, there are those that want to ban certain (and possibly all) guns.
1. But they don't. There's no rally. There's no main stream media coverage of dui deaths. You could want it. But, do you do anything to make those changes happen. Do you call or write your local representatives asking for tougher laws? How many have done so asking for tougher gun laws?
If it were lower than 21, all those stats you cited would be worse.KCitons said:
Does that make it better?
No one believes laws stop the crime. Laws exist to deter and reduce the crime.
