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**2019 Dallas Cowboys** Camptime! No Zeke yet

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5 minutes ago, tonydead said:

DT - Hill

all i saw was "character concerns". strange how much Dallas loves to get guys with character issues

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7 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

:lmao:

On the phone he’s calling the draft show guys “Sir”, talked about trusting in god and thankful for the opportunity , said he talked on the phone with Marinelli every day this week. Not sure some argument with his college coach holds any weight right now. lol

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5 minutes ago, tonydead said:

On the phone he’s calling the draft show guys “Sir”, talked about trusting in god and thankful for the opportunity , said he talked on the phone with Marinelli every day this week. Not sure some argument with his college coach holds any weight right now. lol

The Cowboys live in modoggs head

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McGovern is a perfect pick. Has versatility to play all three interior line slots and excels in run blocking. Have no issue at all.

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Was hoping for Rapp, but I do like Hill.  Plus I've come to trust McClay with player evaluation.  Happy with both picks today.

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I am little surprised that it was the DT over the S. I don’t know much about the player - just watched some clips. 

Looks like he has a great first step and I am willing to bet he faced constant double teams which would explain mediocre stats.  I trust that we checked into the character concerns.

I also remember tons of fans losing their #### over LVE. I am willing to wait and see before making a strong opinion on the player.

Love the McGovern pick.  Value-check. Position versatility- check. RKG-check. It’s not an immediate dire need pick, but I can see the logic. Happy with this.

Perhaps Amani Hooker in round 4?

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1 hour ago, Bankerguy said:

I also remember tons of fans losing their #### over LVE. I am willing to wait and see before making a strong opinion on the player.

Love the McGovern pick.  Value-check. Position versatility- check. RKG-check. It’s not an immediate dire need pick, but I can see the logic. Happy with this

Agreed about waiting to judge the DT pick.  It is a need, maybe as much as S.  

I dont see them signing Collins to a long term deal, so possible CW moved to RT and McGovern takes the LG spot.

Not sure any S picked on day 3 is going to be much, if any, upgrade on the position.  RB/LB picks are very possible.

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15 hours ago, modogg said:

all i saw was "character concerns". strange how much Dallas loves to get guys with character issues

It is disappointing though. The guy is obviously not good at football or Howie the master would've jumped Dallas to draft him...right?

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8 hours ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

We need someone for insurance and to spell zeek, but, I dont know why we just didn't stay pat with the other fourth rounder and take the Alabama safety.  Maybe someone knows better than me if he isn't any good or not a good fit?  

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11 hours ago, tonydead said:

We need someone for insurance and to spell zeek, but, I dont know why we just didn't stay pat with the other fourth rounder and take the Alabama safety.  Maybe someone knows better than me if he isn't any good or not a good fit?  

The reason to draft another RB in the 7th is that no UDFA will want to sign with Dallas with Elliott here. Once drafted the player is property of the team. 

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Chris Hall - assistant director of college scouting discusses draft 

 

Shannon Gross, & Kris Daniels

Main Role
Keep everything organized throughout the draft. Manage scouting department, do some scouting myself. Help run and organize meetings as we put together draft board. We've got the greatest director in the world in Will McClay. A lot of unsung heroes in the room that put together a great package of information that allows ownership to make great decisions during Draft.

# of players on Draft Board
When Parcells was around, we had a really skinny draft board. If a guy has earned a spot on a draft board, we'll put him on their board. We're not going to limit it to 150.

Trysten Hill
We knew of him in the Fall. Everyone can watch tape and have an opinion. When he declared, then we start to dig into his character, him as a person. He checked off all the boxes. 

He had a coaching change, new set of rules, new sheriff in town. He may have tested the patience of the new sheriff, and part of what happened is they didn't start him. But if you watch the tape, he was playing when they needed him. You might not start for certain reasons, but when it's time to make sure someone's playing, he was playing for them.

Why Hill at 58?
Trysten has all the tools and traits to play Under Tackle in Rod's scheme. Rod's scheme is based on penetration and being disruptive. When you can find a bigger man who can play with the quickness of a smaller guy, you hit the jackpot. If you got a big guy that can be disruptive and helps you against the run, but you don't lose any quickness...that's what we see with Trysten Hill.

Why they pass on certain guys
Medical, off the field things, scheme things. You might see a nice highlight package on ESPN, but there's a lot more things you have to take into consideration. You wanna make sure everyone's on board. You don't want to waste a resource that everyone's not on board with. 

Draft Philosophy
You gotta look at the contracts of current guys on the roster. If we know we're losing 3-4 players at a certain position within the next two years, maybe that's a good spot to start adding some depth to. You can't keep them all. We're going to have hard choices to make on where to allocate salary dollars.

Connor McGovern
It surprised us a little bit too. He wasn't a "targeted" player of ours. But he was high on our draft board. He's a good, versatile player that already plays how we want our guys to play. He's cut out of the Colombo cloth. Gives us versatility along our line. We can't keep everyone. We hope we can keep LC, but you don't know how things will work out. He was too good of a player to not take at that point. We've done a good job of following our draft board. When a guy is a round or two ahead of the discussion, take him and it usually works out. 2nd round grade. We weren't dialed in on taking a guard/center, but he was hard to pass up. We've shored up areas with free agents to where we don't have to enter the draft thinking, "if we don't draft a safety, we can't play football." 

Tony Pollard/Mike Weber
Tony's more of a space player. We love his versatility. 7 KR TD's. Played as a slot WR and RB. The other thing that took us over the edge was the Senior Bowl. He showed the ability to run the ball between the tackles. More of a kickoff guy than a punt guy, but I'm sure he'll get the opportunity to work at punt returns. Mike is a really good RB as well. It's great competition and saved us from having to find a veteran guy like Morris. 

Donovan Wilson
If he had to pick one under the radar guy out of the draft picks it'd be him. Interesting career arc at A&M. Big hitter, packs a big punch. Got some coverage skills too. Going to be a great ST player before he finds some playing time. 


UDFA's
Added 6 or 7 guys they had draftable grades on. Added a few 4.3 guys at WR, excited about them.

Good Guys/Good Character
Wouldn't say it's a focused effort, but it's something we look for definitely. The way we compete in practice, you've gotta be made of the right stuff. One of the first things guys say from other places off the waiver wire is, "Do we do this every day." Garrett and Rod demand high effort every day. Nate: Guys that can focus hard and practice right, it helps you cut down on mistakes. Jimmy believed in that. Practice hard and practice smart. Stay focused. Dana Stubblefield was better than me. But I knew how to handle myself under certain situations. 

NFC East Best Draft?
Everyone did good. Redskins added a QB. Giants did the same thing. Have the potential to have 4 young QB's for a long time if they all hit. We loved Montez Sweat. 

Who Cusses the most when a guy gets drafted before our pick?
Probably Will McClay.

Amari Cooper
We looked at receivers back in the fall and realized there wasn't going to be a WR available in the first round that would be good as Amari.

On Draft Grades given right after the Draft
Everyone thinks they got an A. Everyone thinks they got good value. But then people get on TV and the radio says "oh they took him too early, they could've waited." "We took Tony Pollard too soon." Do you know we could have waited? Or maybe we had intel that said we knew someone else liked that guy too. In the trade down in the 4th, we liked 5-6 guys but didn't LOVE one guy. So we were able to pick up more picks. 

Draft Grades is Baskin Robbins. Everybody likes a different flavor. Sometime's vanilla's pretty good, but sometimes you like Rocky Road.

When do you know if you've had a successful draft?
Going back to Landry: Year 3, you're gonna know about a player for sure. Parcells used to say the best of them get 50/50 right. One of the most criticized picks in recent years was Frederick, and I think that turned out fine. Anyone that sniffs being a reach, the odds are against you in perception. Newton: I had to eat crow on Frederick real quick. Most guys can't admit when they're wrong.

You're not going to be right on all these guys. We know that. 
 

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On 5/1/2019 at 11:19 AM, Cowboysfan8 said:

Good Guys/Good Character
Wouldn't say it's a focused effort, but it's something we look for definitely. The way we compete in practice, you've gotta be made of the right stuff. One of the first things guys say from other places off the waiver wire is, "Do we do this every day." Garrett and Rod demand high effort every day.

This was the best thing I heard in that segment. 

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18 minutes ago, Hastur said:

I'm looking for some more news/blogging/insights for Cowboys stuff.  I usually read

Blogging the boys

The Landry Hat

Anyone have some other resources for Cowboys news/opinion?

I grab the official Cowboys podcasts (the Break, Talkin Cowboys and Hanging with the Boys).  They give great updates and have some access to the players.  

Doomsday podcast is good also if you can stomach Ed Warner.

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16 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Two months after an incident at a bar in Panama City Beach, Fla., Tyrone Crawford has been charged with a misdemeanor count of unlawful assembly.

Per reports, online records indicate that Crawford was charged March 28 and has plead not guilty. 

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/tyrone-crawford-facing-misdemeanor-charge

 

https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/870.02

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Listening to Cowboys podcasts and reports, hearing a lot of how Dak is looking much better throwing the ball this off-season.  Most of the comments are about 15-25 yards passes that he struggled with in the past.  Of course this is just OTAs and such, but it has always been reported that Dak hasn't really looked good in practices, but plays better at game time.  It doesn't amount to much, but it has me a little hopeful. 

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1 hour ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Allen Hurns cut

writing was on the wall for Hurns.  He sounded like a favorite in the locker room, but wasn't offering enough on the field.

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16 minutes ago, Rig24 said:

writing was on the wall for Hurns.  He sounded like a favorite in the locker room, but wasn't offering enough on the field.

Apparently they asked him a few days ago to take a pay cut. I’m not sure why they would want to keep him at any price tbh

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23 hours ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Apparently they asked him a few days ago to take a pay cut. I’m not sure why they would want to keep him at any price tbh

Depth, R Cobb is now the 3rd WR with T Austin 4th.

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Sorry to see Hurns go but like "the mighty Titan" it was "inevitable". His days in the NFL are over IMHO. That injury was just to much. And so it goes. As for Zeke......my dad always said "ya gotta pay the man". And Jerry will pay the man. Mama didn't raise no fool. He's been there and done that with another great running back. Paid him too.

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On 7/26/2019 at 12:56 AM, Defenze said:

Sorry to see Hurns go but like "the mighty Titan" it was "inevitable". His days in the NFL are over IMHO. That injury was just to much. And so it goes. As for Zeke......my dad always said "ya gotta pay the man". And Jerry will pay the man. Mama didn't raise no fool. He's been there and done that with another great running back. Paid him too.

Not saying they won't pay Zeke, but saying they will pay him because they paid Emmitt, is not a good reason. Jerry signed Emmitt before the Salary Cap was in place. With the big contracts already in place (Lawrence and Oline), and the big contracts looming (Dak, Cooper, Jaylon Smith), The Cowboys have some tough decisions to make. With the salary cap in place, you can't give everybody a big contract.

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1 minute ago, Rig24 said:

Was hearing good things about Conner Williams handling the bull rush, then I saw this 😬

https://twitter.com/JohnOwning/status/1157443151281287168?s=19

Williams shutout Aaron Donald in the playoffs and if you watch the video the only person who fired off was Collins, who had been getting sat down all camp. 

Clickbait.

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2 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

Williams shutout Aaron Donald in the playoffs and if you watch the video the only person who fired off was Collins, who had been getting sat down all camp. 

Clickbait.

I wanna believe, hoping for the best

 

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On 7/29/2019 at 11:56 AM, dhockster said:

Not saying they won't pay Zeke, but saying they will pay him because they paid Emmitt, is not a good reason. Jerry signed Emmitt before the Salary Cap was in place. With the big contracts already in place (Lawrence and Oline), and the big contracts looming (Dak, Cooper, Jaylon Smith), The Cowboys have some tough decisions to make. With the salary cap in place, you can't give everybody a big contract.

Yea, I'm not so sure they will pay him.  RB's have less value obviously, and let's be honest Zeke's not exactly a "character" guy, which doesn't help his already diminished value as a RB......what he does have going for him is being one of the best backs in the league......but again, there's only so much value if the team feels they can plug and play other guys, especially if they feel they have the other pieces in place......I'm not sure it's the right approach, but it may be the approach....we shall see.

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