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His point, perhaps, is that he wasn’t the best choice in the first place. Someone very close to me was a gymnast that was treated by Nassar, and she is not in any spotlight at all. She isn’t trying to get money or anything, just trying to deal with it. I will say this- there are some who are in the spotlight that are using it as a platform to stay relevant imo, but most of these survivors are simply going about their lives. The worst victims didn’t even come forward. You’ll have to simply take my word on that, I know more about this than probably any of you but don’t really want to get into details, but before he was ever at USA gymnastics he had his favorites that were getting treatments multiple times. If it leaves you angry/sad multiply it by 5 because what you hear in the news is probably 20% of the story. I’m shaking now so I’ll end there.
I don't doubt anything you say, and I'm so sorry that person close to you had to go through what she did.
You underestimate the level of trust this man had. You’re competing, flip and land on your backside, you can go to the hospital or have this renowned dr check you out and you can go finish your competition. Come back and say to your friend “this is what he did...” and they say “oh that’s normal, he did that to me when I fell too.”
Yeah, I read a great piece in NYMag explaining how he got away with it for so long. That to me is far more understandable (if totally heartbreaking). The way I see it, if Larry Nassar had been a garden-variety pedophile, he would have been arrested years ago the first time he made a pass at a 12-year-old. He got away with it for years because he was uniquely skilled at manipulating people. That's why I feel so bad for the parents -- who have to deal with both the pain of what happened to their children as well as (undeserved) guilt for not realizing it sooner -- and have at least some sympathy for the other folks who didn't realize what was going on.
They should have been gone years ago. The trustees have been a huge part of the problem at MSU.whoknew said:
I honestly don't know what the answer is. The NCAA's draconian punishments against Penn State ended up hurting a lot of people who had nothing to do with Sandusky's crimes or Paterno's mismanagement. To cite one (relatively minor) example, why should alumni of the PSU football program be told that none of their victories counted because of a scandal that took place entirely off the field? In the case of MSU, shutting down the athletic program would deprive a lot of innocent people of their scholarships (and possibly any chance of obtaining a college degree).
I never really understood why taking away victories would matter all that much. I think it's a weak punishment. All you're doing is taking something away on paper. The wins happened no matter what is said and that's how they will be remembered. Taking them away should not have much, if any, affect on someone.
So you mean they still get an education even if they're unable to play varsity sports? You would also have to give them the option to transfer without being forced to sit out a year.
You're right, it is a weak punishment of the school. And in terms of injustices committed against innocent bystanders, it's way down on the list. It just always stuck out to me because of how non-sensical it was: "Your assistant coach was raping young boys after practice, so that winning TD you scored against Indiana never happened."
Exactly. You can say it as much as you want and take it out of the stat book but the person still did it. It's still on TV. The crowd still saw it. They still had that experience and it can never be taken away.
Yes a player having his wins removed from the record book is an unfortunate side effect of having a coach that covered up CHILD RAPE for decades.
I think I've been pretty clear throughout this thread that I'm not minimizing the offenses committed by Sandusky, Nasser, et al. Nor do I think the players suffered any grand injustice by having their wins vacated. My point is that there was no logical connection between the two. It would be like if they responded to the scandal by closing down the local pizza joint in State College. And as @Hawkeye21 pointed out, it's not even really much of a punishment of the school.
You don't think there is a logical connection between a head coach covering up rapes and the wins that he compiled while covering up the rapes? He would literally win games and then hold football camps that helped his assistant coach groom boys for rape. Pizza joint is a bad comparison.
Point is, wins are usually vacated because without the violation, the team wouldn't have been in position to win the game in the first place. If the payments Reggie Bush received had been known about earlier, he would have been declared ineligible and USC might not have won the national championship. I don't see how you can argue that Paterno wouldn't have won games if Sandusky hadn't been raping children.
The problem is the contract. It sounds like they were legally obligated to do most of this. Perhaps when they hire someone they shouldn’t promise them the world if things don’t work out.
