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*** Official 2019 Chargers Thread **** (4 Viewers)

Mock Draft Tracker 5.0

  • DT Dexter Lawrence, Clemson X3
  • S Taylor Rapp, Washington
  • OT Kaleb McGary, Washington
  • S Nasir Adderly, Deleware
  • OT Cody Ford, Oklahoma
  • DT Jerry Tillery, Notre Dame X3
  • DT Jeffrey Simmons, Mississippi State X2
  • DT Christian Wilkins, Clemson
  • OT Andre Dillard, Washington State
 
The #Cardinals are signing former #Chargers DT Darius Philon to a two-year, $10 million deal, sources tell me and @RapSheet. He gets $5M fully guaranteed. Max $12M with incentives.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
The #Cardinals are signing former #Chargers DT Darius Philon to a two-year, $10 million deal, sources tell me and @RapSheet. He gets $5M fully guaranteed. Max $12M with incentives.
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Wow. I am stunned that the Chargers would not meet or top that price. Stunned. :thumbdown:  

They have 3 Interior DL under contract: Mebane (old), Jones (terrible last year as a rookie), and McGill (terrible past two years).

 
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Despyzer said:
I realize this is now WAY off-topic, but what in the world? What's the connection between DTS and Trump that one would auto-correct to the other?
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There's a poster in the politics forum who always referred to Trump as "Donnie_Two_Scoops" (with spaces instead of underscores). We were trying to cut down on name-calling, even against celebrities, so I set the filter to change "Donnie_Two_Scoops" to "President Trump." He then started writing "Donny_Two_Scoops" instead. I updated the filter. He then started writing "DTS" for short. I updated the filter... (I set it for an exact match of space, capital D, capital T, capital S, space so that it wouldn't catch anything but that, but I guess there's no way to make capitalization count.)

 
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Third update on this post. Trying to bury the Trump posts...

Per Spotrac, the Chargers currently have 62 players under contract for 2019. We also know the team has 7 draft picks, so there will be 7 more players added to the roster from the draft. Here is a list of those players and draft picks, along with their current 2019 cap hits:

  1. QB Philip Rivers $23,000,000
  2. OLB Melvin Ingram $19,625,000
  3. LT Russell Okung $15,968,750
  4. WR Keenan Allen $12,150,000
  5. CB Casey Hayward $10,000,000
  6. C Mike Pouncey $9,250,000
  7. DE Joey Bosa $8,232,538
  8. WR Travis Benjamin $6,500,000
  9. RB Melvin Gordon $5,605,000
  10. WR Mike Williams $5,386,344
  11. G Michael Schofield $4,500,000
  12. DT Brandon Mebane $4,300,000
  13. QB Tyrod Taylor $3,500,000
  14. MLB Denzel Perryman $3,475,000
  15. TE Virgil Green $3,300,000
  16. OLB Thomas Davis $3,250,000
  17. S Derwin James $2,815,671
  18. ILB Jatavis Brown $2,071,097
  19. Round 1 draft pick (28) $2,064,769
  20. TE Hunter Henry $2,030,100
  21. CB Trevor Williams $2,025,000
  22. S Adrian Phillips $2,000,000
  23. ILB Nick Dzubnar $1,922,500
  24. G Forrest Lamp $1,818,251
  25. LB Uchenna Nwosu $1,308,994
  26. LS Mike Windt $1,085,000
  27. G Dan Feeney $1,024,158
  28. Round 2 draft pick (60) $857,616
  29. DT Justin Jones $835,016
  30. S Rayshawn Jenkins $810,552
  31. DT T.Y. McGill $805,000
  32. FB Derek Watt $752,422
  33. WR Geremy Davis $735,000
  34. OLB Kyzir White $733,610
  35. DE Anthony Lanier $720,000
  36. CB Desmond King $714,998
  37. Round 3 draft pick (91) $712,607
  38. S Jaylen Watkins $705,000 - note that he reportedly signed a 1 year, $895K contract, but both Spotrac and Over the Cap show his cap hit as $705K... not sure why
  39. T Sam Tevi $685,447
  40. Round 4 draft pick (130) $658,454
  41. TE Sean Culkin $649,000
  42. RB Austin Ekeler $646,668
  43. CB Michael Davis $645,000
  44. G Spencer Drango $645,000
  45. QB Cardale Jones $645,000
  46. WR Vince Mayle $645,000
  47. RB Troymaine Pope $645,000
  48. DL Isaac Rochell $645,000
  49. C Scott Quessenberry $641,063
  50. CB Brandon Facyson $573,333
  51. K Michael Badgley $570,000
  52. WR Dylan Cantrell $570,000
  53. RB Justin Jackson $570,000
  54. OLB Tre'Von Johnson $570,000
  55. RB Detrez Newsome $570,000
  56. CB Jeff Richards $570,000
  57. G Trenton Scott $570,000
  58. LB Kyle Wilson $570,000
  59. Round 5 draft pick (166) $564,128
  60. Round 6 draft pick (200) $533,942
  61. Round 7 draft pick (242) $514,431
  62. T Zachary Crabtree $500,000
  63. DE Patrick Afriyie $495,000
  64. WR Justice Liggins $495,000
  65. P Ty Long $495,000
  66. WR Andre Patton $495,000
  67. TE Austin Roberts $495,000
  68. WR Artavis Scott $495,000
  69. S Arrion Springs $495,000
That is 69 players for 53 roster spots, without accounting for additional free agents. That means at least 16 players on the list above will not make the final roster. I assume these players will not make it:

  1. Nick Dzubnar - cap casualty
  2. Spencer Drango - not good enough
  3. Cardale Jones - not good enough, pushed out by Tyrod
  4. Vince Mayle - not good enough
  5. Troymaine Pope - not good enough
  6. Tre'Von Johnson - not good enough
  7. Detrez Newsome - assuming the team only keeps 3 RBs, he is #4
  8. Jeff Richards - assuming the team only keeps 5 CBs, he is #6
  9. Trenton Scott - not good enough
  10. Kyle Wilson - not good enough
  11. Zachary Crabtree - not good enough
  12. Patrick Afriyie - not good enough
  13. Justice Liggins - not good enough
  14. Andre Patton - not good enough
  15. Austin Roberts - not good enough
  16. Arrion Springs - not good enough
That leaves this 53:

  1. QB Philip Rivers $23,000,000
  2. OLB Melvin Ingram $19,625,000
  3. LT Russell Okung $15,968,750
  4. WR Keenan Allen $12,150,000
  5. CB Casey Hayward $10,000,000
  6. C Mike Pouncey $9,250,000
  7. DE Joey Bosa $8,232,538
  8. WR Travis Benjamin $6,500,000
  9. RB Melvin Gordon $5,605,000
  10. WR Mike Williams $5,386,344
  11. G Michael Schofield $4,500,000
  12. DT Brandon Mebane $4,300,000
  13. QB Tyrod Taylor $3,500,000
  14. MLB Denzel Perryman $3,475,000
  15. TE Virgil Green $3,300,000
  16. OLB Thomas Davis $3,250,000
  17. S Derwin James $2,815,671
  18. ILB Jatavis Brown $2,071,097
  19. Round 1 draft pick (28) $2,064,769
  20. TE Hunter Henry $2,030,100
  21. CB Trevor Williams $2,025,000
  22. S Adrian Phillips $2,000,000
  23. G Forrest Lamp $1,818,251
  24. LB Uchenna Nwosu $1,308,994
  25. LS Mike Windt $1,085,000
  26. G Dan Feeney $1,024,158
  27. Round 2 draft pick (60) $857,616
  28. DT Justin Jones $835,016
  29. S Rayshawn Jenkins $810,552
  30. DT T.Y. McGill $805,000
  31. FB Derek Watt $752,422
  32. WR Geremy Davis $735,000
  33. OLB Kyzir White $733,610
  34. DE Anthony Lanier $720,000
  35. CB Desmond King $714,998
  36. Round 3 draft pick (91) $712,607
  37. S Jaylen Watkins $705,000 - note that he reportedly signed a 1 year, $895K contract, but both Spotrac and Over the Cap show his cap hit as $705K... not sure why
  38. T Sam Tevi $685,447
  39. Round 4 draft pick (130) $658,454
  40. TE Sean Culkin $649,000
  41. RB Austin Ekeler $646,668
  42. CB Michael Davis $645,000
  43. DL Isaac Rochell $645,000
  44. C Scott Quessenberry $641,063
  45. CB Brandon Facyson $573,333
  46. K Michael Badgley $570,000
  47. WR Dylan Cantrell $570,000
  48. RB Justin Jackson $570,000
  49. Round 5 draft pick (166) $564,128
  50. Round 6 draft pick (200) $533,942
  51. Round 7 draft pick (242) $514,431
  52. P Ty Long $495,000
  53. WR Artavis Scott $495,000
So let's examine the 2019 salary cap.

  • The NFL cap for 2019 is $188.2M. The team carries over $1,016,504 from 2018.
  • Spotrac shows a negative adjustment for $1,850,000. I don't know what that is for.
  • The total cap hit for that 53 man roster above is $174,123,959.
  • The team is currently carrying $4,231,085 in dead cap money for 2019. Releasing Dzubnar adds $397,500 in 2019 dead cap money.
  • The team will extend Rivers' contract this offseason, but I am going to assume that his cap figure remains the same.
That leaves $8,613,960 of the 2019 cap unaccounted for. Telesco will reserve some of that for IR and the practice squad. I'm not sure what to estimate for that, but I will assume $3,113,960 to leave a nice round number of $5.5M remaining for signing additional free agents.

That 53 man roster above includes 7 draft picks and 46 players. Here are the positions represented by those players:

  • QB (2) - Rivers, Taylor
  • RB (3) - Gordon, Ekeler, Jackson
  • FB (1) - Watt
  • WR (6) - Allen, Williams, Benjamin, Davis, Cantrell, Scott
  • TE (3) - Henry, Green, Culkin
  • T (2) - Okung, Tevi
  • G (3) - Schofield, Feeney, Lamp
  • C (2) - Pouncey, Quessenberry
  • DT (3) - Mebane, Jones, McGill
  • Edge (4) - Bosa, Ingram, Rochell, Lanier
  • LB (5) - Davis, Perryman, White, Brown, Nwosu
  • CB (5) - Hayward, King, Williams, Davis, Facyson
  • S (4) - James, Phillips, Jenkins, Watkins
  • PK (1) - Badgley
  • P (1) - Long
  • LS (1) - Windt
Looking at this roster, here is my take on what the needs are, in order of importance:

  1. DT - need at least a 5 man DT rotation, and only have 3 under contract; hard to count on Jones and/or McGill being higher than 4-5 in that rotation based on their play last season, so need 2 better DTs. Could the team be planning to use Rochell at DT rather than on the edge? I could see the team re-signing Liuget if he can pass a physical. He would immediately be the best DT on this roster, at least until/unless the team drafts a DT in the first round.
  2. Starting RT - pushing Tevi to backup swing tackle.
  3. Starting FS - I am not willing to assume that Phillips, Jenkins, or Watkins are good enough to be an effective starter. But I am afraid the team may move forward with this group.
  4. Another G - ideally a starter, but at minimum a player good enough to compete with Schofield, Feeney, and Lamp for the 2 starting spots, with the other 2 providing depth.
  5. WR3 - if the team chooses to release Benjamin to save cap space, I think WR3 becomes a need... but I now think the team intends to keep Benjamin, and it is conceivable they could extend and restructure his contract to lower his 2019 cap number.
The team could still re-sign Gates, which would probably mean they would be limited to 1 more free agent at most, unless they release Benjamin.

Though I am not a fan of the Perryman signing, I am a fan of the Davis signing, and the combination of the two should take LB off the Chargers draft board barring a huge value falling to them... which is good, since it cuts the needs list to something more manageable. Even so, IMO solving those needs above solely through the draft is not likely to happen.

I like to see 24 players on offense and 26 on defense.

  • If the team does add 1 RT and 1 G, that would make 24 on offense.
  • If the team does add 2 IDL and 1 FS, that would make 24 on defense, so there would be 2 wild cards. I would like to see a 6th DT, particularly since they are counting on 34 year old Mebane as their 2nd or 3rd DT in a 5 man rotation. Not sure on the other... 6th CB?

    Speaking of CBs, it is interesting to note that the Chargers only drafted 1 of the CBs on the roster above, and 3 (Williams, Davis, and Facyson) were UDFAs. So that makes me think Telesco will not prioritize CB early in the draft. The only time he did that (Verrett), it didn't work out well.

Of course, I only projected 5 more additions here, and there are 7 draft picks and perhaps ~$5.5M in cap room for free agents. So there will be 3+ more players added, which will likely push some others off the roster. I would say these players are the most at risk:

  • WR Dylan Cantrell - numbers game at WR if Benjamin sticks and the team only carries 5 WRs
  • WR Artavis Scott - numbers game at WR if Benjamin sticks and the team only carries 5 WRs
  • TE Sean Culkin - if Gates re-signed
  • DE Anthony Lanier - if better DE added
  • CB Brandon Facyson - if better #5 CB added
  • P Ty Long - if beaten out by another punterI hope he is the guy, because not only can he handle the punter role, he can also handle kickoffs, which is a weak point for Badgley... but Long wasn't good enough to make the NFL without first spending time in the CFL
My reaction to the free agent signings so far:

  1. S Watkins - like it, although I am afraid the team may be counting on him to start at FS; if so, I hope they have good reason for that confidence
  2. LB Perryman - don't like it primarily because he has been unable to stay healthy; if he can do that, it will be good value for this season and then time to restructure/extend or release him to avoid his much higher cap hit in 2020
  3. LB Davis - like it; he is old but played really well last season and has only missed a few games to injury over the past several seasons; assuming he will play SAM/OTTO, he is a big upgrade on Emanuel, although that does relegate last year's 2nd round pick to a backup role
  4. QB Taylor - don't like the cap hit, especially in 2020; but he is a big upgrade at backup QB and could actually win games if Rivers missed time due to injury; overall, I don't like it
  5. DT Mebane - don't like it; he is old for a DT and hasn't played more than 576 snaps in a season since 2013, yet they are paying him like a starter
  6. S Phillips - expected it and like that it is for just one year and $2M
Thoughts?

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
There's a poster in the politics forum who always referred to Trump as "Donnie_Two_Scoops" (with spaces instead of underscores). We were trying to cut down on name-calling, even against celebrities, so I set the filter to change "Donnie_Two_Scoops" to "President Trump." He then started writing "Donny_Two_Scoops" instead. I updated the filter. He then started writing "DTS" for short. I updated the filter... (I set it for an exact match of space, capital D, capital T, capital S, space so that it wouldn't catch anything but that, but I guess there's no way to make capitalization count.)
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Fbg serious tried to censor someone calling him President Trump??? Rollseyes

Lmfao ....it works!!!

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
There's a poster in the politics forum who always referred to Trump as "Donnie_Two_Scoops" (with spaces instead of underscores). We were trying to cut down on name-calling, even against celebrities, so I set the filter to change "Donnie_Two_Scoops" to "President Trump." He then started writing "Donny_Two_Scoops" instead. I updated the filter. He then started writing "DTS" for short. I updated the filter... (I set it for an exact match of space, capital D, capital T, capital S, space so that it wouldn't catch anything but that, but I guess there's no way to make capitalization count.)
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I’d like to thank you for reinforcing my determination to never wade into the Politics Forum echo chamber again.  

Crying shame it spilled over into to football forums,  Unsurprisingly IDP guys get the short shrift, being the folks most likely to be talking about D...T.s at length.

 
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Mock Draft Tracker 6.0

  • Cody Ford, OT - Oklahoma X2
  • Will Grier, QB  - West Virginia
  • Dexter Lawrence, DT - Clemson X2
  • Jerry Tillery, DT - Notre Dame X2
  • Kaleb McGary, OT - Washington
  • Byron Murphy, CB - Washington
  • Terry McLaurin, WR - Ohio St.
  • Drew Lock, QB - Missouri
If they could only pick one of these guys, who would be your favorite and least favorite?

 
Despyzer said:
Mock Draft Tracker 6.0

  • Cody Ford, OT - Oklahoma X2
  • Will Grier, QB  - West Virginia
  • Dexter Lawrence, DT - Clemson X2
  • Jerry Tillery, DT - Notre Dame X2
  • Kaleb McGary, OT - Washington
  • Byron Murphy, CB - Washington
  • Terry McLaurin, WR - Ohio St.
  • Drew Lock, QB - Missouri
If they could only pick one of these guys, who would be your favorite and least favorite?
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NFW they go QB after signing Tyrod. That would be GM malpractice. I feel the same about WR.

I know I would like Lawrence, Tillery, and McGary. Not as familiar with Ford, but OT is definitely a need. Not familiar with Murphy, and don't see CB warranting a first round pick for the Chargers as things stand right now.

 
Just Win Baby said:
NFW they go QB after signing Tyrod. That would be GM malpractice. I feel the same about WR.

I know I would like Lawrence, Tillery, and McGary. Not as familiar with Ford, but OT is definitely a need. Not familiar with Murphy, and don't see CB warranting a first round pick for the Chargers as things stand right now.
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I feel the same about QB. I wouldn't hate a WR at this point in the 1st round, but they obviously have much bigger needs.

If they absolutely want to plug a hole at OT, McGary is probably the more solid pick. If they'd rather have some versatility, Ford would be great.

I've seen quite a few ratings that have Greedy Williams and Byron Murphy neck-and-neck, even though most mocks have Greedy going 10-15 spots earlier. Once again, Chargers have bigger needs, but you almost can't have too many good CBs right now, and Murphy might be a steal.

 
Chargers ranked near the very bottom of the league in pass blocking efficiency, according to PFF.

"In 13 years of grading games, the Chargers have finished in the top half of this list just once. Once. And even that was back in 2006. The latest episode of the Chargers’ calamitous pass blocking culminated with the surrender of the league’s ninth-most sacks, sixth-most hits, and 11th-most hurries. The Chargers won’t have Philip Rivers forever, and the quicker they realize that, the better."

 
Despyzer said:
Chargers ranked near the very bottom of the league in pass blocking efficiency, according to PFF.

"In 13 years of grading games, the Chargers have finished in the top half of this list just once. Once. And even that was back in 2006. The latest episode of the Chargers’ calamitous pass blocking culminated with the surrender of the league’s ninth-most sacks, sixth-most hits, and 11th-most hurries. The Chargers won’t have Philip Rivers forever, and the quicker they realize that, the better."
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But come on, the OL has great chemistry, such that Lynn couldn't risk disrupting it by inserting Lamp when he came back from injury. :rolleyes:  

 
According to SBNation's mock draft database, here's who people have the Chargers taking:

16%   DT  Jerry Tillery, Notre Dame

11%   OT   Kaleb McGary, Washington

9%   OL   Dalton Risner, Kansas State

8%   DT   Dexter Lawrence, Clemson

(54% had some other name that received less than 8%)

 
Final Mock Draft Tracker:

DT Dexter Lawrence, Clemson X3
QB Drew Lock, Missouri X2
OT Cody Ford, Oklahoma X2
QB Daniel Jones, Duke
CB Joejuan Williams, Vanderbilt
CB Rock Ya-Sin, Temple
CB Deandre Baker, Georgia
OT Donte Risner, Kansas State
CB Byron Murphy, Washington
S Darnell Savage, Maryland
S Nasir Adderley, Deleware

 
Despyzer said:
Final Mock Draft Tracker:

DT Dexter Lawrence, Clemson X3
QB Drew Lock, Missouri X2
OT Cody Ford, Oklahoma X2
QB Daniel Jones, Duke
CB Joejuan Williams, Vanderbilt
CB Rock Ya-Sin, Temple
CB Deandre Baker, Georgia
OT Donte Risner, Kansas State
CB Byron Murphy, Washington
S Darnell Savage, Maryland
S Nasir Adderley, Deleware
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Will be happy with DT, OT, or Adderley, although I would be surprised if they draft another first round safety.

QB is just stupid. Will be disappointed with CB.

 
I know nothing about a Saftey from Delaware, but I know the position next to Djames was a need.

Would of loved for us to get Dremont Jones - DT OSU who just went to the donkeys......only good pick Denver made.....

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I know nothing about a Saftey from Delaware, but I know the position next to Djames was a need.
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His highlights are pretty great. And once again, PFF likes him (first-round grade).
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I posted above that I would have been happy with Adderley in the first round, but was skeptical Telesco would draft a safety in the first round. To get him in the second round was excellent value. He was arguably the top safety in the draft. :thumbup:  

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Cant say I like burning a 3rd round pick on project....but they need some Oline depth....
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Agree, not a fan of the 3rd pick, which seems like a reach. Seems like a long shot to get on the field this season, and isn't necessarily a lock to make the final roster. Disappointing pick.

 
There is still a lot of interesting talent available. Hoping for another interior DL and WR at some point today.

 
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Agree, not a fan of the 3rd pick, which seems like a reach. Seems like a long shot to get on the field this season, and isn't necessarily a lock to make the final roster. Disappointing pick.
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He seems like a project who isn’t ready to play this season. But his frame and athleticism appear to be legitimately top-tier.

While the third round does seem a bit high for someone with significant bust potential, it was a low third-round pick, and given his upside, I’m on board with the gamble.

(It’s a reach based on where Mel Kiper had him projected, but I think those kinds of projections are particularly useless when it comes to players from Sioux Falls. [Where “Mel Kiper” means all draft prognosticators and “Sioux Falls” means all Division II schools.])

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
He seems like a project who isn’t ready to play this season. But his frame and athleticism appear to be legitimately top-tier.

While the third round does seem a bit high for someone with significant bust potential, it was a low third-round pick, and given his upside, I’m on board with the gamble.

(It’s a reach based on where Mel Kiper had him projected, but I think those kinds of projections are particularly useless when it comes to players from Sioux Falls. [Where “Mel Kiper” means all draft prognosticators and “Sioux Falls” means all Division II schools.])
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I agree there is some potential with him, and I agree that I don't care much about the "Mel Kiper" prognosticator projections. However:

  1. I don't think the 3rd round is the place to knowingly draft a project player who won't be expected to make the active roster in his first season even if healthy. Not for a Super Bowl contender. There was enough talent available to draft a 2019 contributor.
  2. I think he likely would have made it to the Chargers' 4th round pick. (He might even have reached their 5th round pick, but that is doubtful enough that I'm sure they would have drafted him in the 4th in this scenario.)
  3. Does Pipkins truly have the highest ceiling of the OTs that remained on the board at that point? I suppose it's obvious that the Chargers thought so, but I'm not convinced they are right.
It is puzzling why Telesco seems to struggle with 3rd round picks, especially since he has drafted well after the 3rd round, at least in 2015-2018. He drafted Allen in the 3rd round in 2013, which was a great pick (and a bit of a gift)... but since then, these are his 3rd round picks: C Watt, CB Mager, C Tuerk, G Feeney, DT Jones, OT Pipkins.

It's like Telesco has a philosophy that the 3rd round is where to reach on raw/project players with (theoretically) high ceilings. Like he is looking for the steal of the draft in the 3rd that no one else sees. The jury is out on Feeney, Jones, and Pipkins, so I hope they end up justifying their picks, but I remain disappointed with this pick.

 
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