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Oh he’s definitley in. He was at the house he grew up in Scranton the other day filming something’s
If you are referring to this touching thing it’s kind of ridiculous IMO, but he handled it really well in this impromptu thing he did with the press today. Answered it well and unless there is a lot more it will be gone in short order I think.
The issue is neutralized if he gets to the general and actually favors him vs Trump. Trump raising this, which he would and already has, only turns the light back on Trump. - It’s obviously a bad negative in a female heavy field in the primary, but then I seriously doubt any other primary candidate would use it against him.
People will forget about it by next month. His bigger issue is his age and representing old ideas.
If it is as we stand now, there is nothing more serious, perhaps in some tangent related to women’s issues but I don’t think a candidate will just come out with this. That is more Trump style seeing as he is a little infant.
Also the fact that his two presidential runs were disasters and he hasn't faced a competitive election since 1972
If I had to bet I’d place my wager that his high point in the polls will be the day he announces. Downhill from there.
Yes? I believe it is relevant to the point you made about someone bringing up that Joe is touchy feely in a debate. I don’t see anyone doing this - except Donald.
I know this is getting a little off topic, but can someone explain to me why Biden (and Hillary) get raked over the coals for the crime bill, but Bernie, who also voted for it, gets a pass?
Bernie made it clear that he was voting for it because it included the Violence Against Women Act and he questioned the tough on crime parts many times calling it a punishment bill not a crime prevention bill. So yes he voted for it but only because that's how we got the VAWA. He wasn't an active cheerleader talking about super predators. That's the difference.
Gee, I wonder who wrote the VAWA?
Let's see if he even makes it through the primaries before we worry about that because I certainly won't vote for him in the primaries I will say that
He was clear at the time about why he voted for it and he noted that he didn't like a lot of the rest of it. So I guess running on being on the right side of history, again.
I don't know, saying "I voted for it but was actually opposed to it" sounds a lot like running away from your record. If it was really that awful, maybe he shouldn't have voted for it? By contrast, if the good parts made it worth supporting, then what are we ripping Biden for?
Yeah I understand you think think you've got a gotcha here but you don't. Bernie made it clear and I'm guessing if I went through speeches from other people they made it clear as well they did not like this bill yet they didn't want to vote against the VAWA once it was tacked on. And while Biden might have been a big part of the VAWA he also ran the Anita Hill hearings which is going to be a much bigger problem for him and he has never apologized to Anita Hill ever.
I don’t think he’s corruptible at all. I think he’s a good guy, a classy guy, and while I disagree with him on several issues which will prevent me from voting for him in the primaries, I believe he’d make an excellent President and I’d be proud to vote for him in the general election.
Those votes are getting split this time. And he does win young black voters. The more the merrier in the early primary states.
Biden has plenty of things working against him (like every candidate really) but this touching thing as it has been revealed so far isn't one of them IMO. I find Biden a little weird, the huggy stuff adds to it, but it's certainly not some disqualifying thing unless there's a lot more to it.
Gee - I object to the broad statement many old white guys have an issue with touching comment. Suggest dialing it back.. how about picking the best person rather than someone nonwhite..
No he has a good chance to do what he did the last 2 times. Just fade out as his poll numbers slip and the cash goes elsewhere. And you can bet on one thing. The progressive wing is coming out in force. Bernie has 1 million volunteers already. The left is fired up. It's where all the energy is.
I know... this time it’s going to be different.
I disagree. Trump has lit a fire under the left. They will come out in force which is why I feel trump has a low chance of reelection.
Except they did in 2018. In fact the 18-29 demographic turned out at historic levels. I expect more of the same with new voters adding to the numbers in 2020.
X2 and after the new alleged reports about him I would note vote for him if he is the nomineeNCCommish said:
Wasn't trying to play gotcha. I don't hate Bernie -- I think that, like pretty much all the 2020 candidates, he has his strengths and his weaknesses. And I think my posts in this thread have made clear I'm not a huge Biden fan either, at least not in terms of 2020. What I was getting at with the "Incorruptible Bernie" stuff was that there's an undertone, sometimes from his supporters and sometimes from Bernie himself, that because he's so principled, and his character so above reproach, the typical rules don't apply to him. The crime bill is a perfect example. When other politicians vote for a bill that has bad elements in it, it's because they're corporatist sell-outs. But with Bernie, he only did it because of the VAWA, so therefore he can't be blamed for any of the bad things despite the fact that he voted for them. And while I suspect the tax-return issue will eventually amount to nothing, I don't like the intimations I've heard that since Bernie isn't rich and is obviously not corrupt, it's not as important for him to release his returns. None of this makes him a bad guy; it's just one aspect of him that I find unappealing. Anyway, that's probably enough Bernie talk for a thread about Biden.
The initial scandal was that he started off quoting a speech by British politician Neil Kinnock that gradually shifted to him incorporating Kinnock's words as if they had happened to him (as Malcolm Gladwell has shown, this is not that uncommon an occurrence). Later it came out that he had also committed plagiarism in law school.
"We must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
The expectation bar has been lowered, in fact it may have actually been buried.zftcg said:
The thing is we on the left, and Democrats in general, I think tend to try to have a higher bar. Slowly Bill is being frozen out, seems a little late, and especially younger voters expect more.
