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Well of course not ren. A few jobs are one thing, but you’re talking something different. My whole life is about being a murderous corporate neocon. If I ever have to give that up, forget about it.
Well naturally- all of that goes without saying.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/475576-obama-talks-up-warren-behind-closed-doors-to-wealthy-donors
She's very impressive. I was happy to cast a vote for her and would love to see her be the VP for whoever is running.
Aside from the article, wouldn't you say that recreating that progressive-moderate schism from 2016 is pretty much a high priority for the Trump campaign and one they hammer at regularly in their notices to supporters?
Is this really surprising? He's not going to advocate against a particular candidate, that's the opposite of what happened with party hierarchy in 2016. We know Obama will support the nominee and we know that he will try to unify the party no matter what happens. Obama allaying concerns with the party's big money donors in the event a more progressive candidate makes it should seem like the most natural thing in the world.
Sure. There were a few key factors on what happened to Dems in 2016 but one was voter suppression, and part of that had to do with basically resentment from the progressive (read especially Sanders) wing, over the party's behavior, over Hillary's own coziness with Wall Street and other big money interests, and the back and forth between her and Sanders during the campaign. - It's pretty clear to me that recreating this atmosphere or theme is a conscious effort for the Trump campaign in 2020 and IMO it's been apparent.
So you think the Trump administration is trying to stir up fighting between the Sanders supporters now and the other Democratic front runners?
I would say probably, but they don't really need to. The Sanders people (many of them anyhow) are all too eager to do this on their own without any help.
Frankly, yes, and I think it's easy to see the wheels moving. And I think it has a serious hurdle in that Biden does not come with some of the specific baked in design schematics that Hillary had: Hillary and Bill had built the third way concept back in the 90s, Hillary and Bill had had the issue with Wall Street speeches and the aftermath of that, the Foundation, the practices when Bill Clinton was president, etc. - And then there was the specific situation of Hillary and Sanders more or less running a 1 vs 1 campaign that highlighted all that, made Sanders a foil for Hillary and vice versa. And Hillary's and Sanders' personalities played into all that. - I think there is a real divide in the sense of whether the DNC should be getting funded from corporate interests at all vs grassroots but that stands on its own, it's not sufficient by itself to recreate the whole scaffolding that surrounded the peculiar 2016 situation with Hillary. And I'll add this time the progressive POV of this is not entirely carried by Sanders, it arose the other night between Warren and Buttigieg.
That was my feeling. It seemed interesting to think there was some sort of additional (deceptive?) plan to try and stir up discord.
From your link:
The NY Post is so sleazy. That headline says it all.
Hunter Biden is so sleazy. His actions say it all.
I'll start with just one. Hunter
Yep, he is just a stain on Joe. The same way most political children who make the news are.
It’s only a “stain on Joe” to people who weren’t going to vote for Joe anyway. You know, those folks who condemn Hunter’s actions while supporting a corrupt con-man who steals from children’s cancer charities.
I think Joe And Hunter ran a criminal enterprise when he was VP. Nobody has even attempted to explain the mess they are in with China. Flying on Air Force 2 for corrupt dealings.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/10/6-facts-about-hunter-bidens-business-dealings-in-china/
I actually posted this New Yorker article in the conspiracy theories thread. It's a great read and very informative, however NYPost misrepresents what it says:
They shook hands in a hotel lobby. I do think this stuff by Hunter is skeezy, but this is hardly the stuff of deep state manipulation. If anyone got manipulated here it was Biden. Joe Biden invited his 15 year old granddaughter on a trip to China, and upon hearing this Hunter invites himself along and then squeezes his father into a handshake in a hotel lobby with a guy he wants to do business with.
My personal opinion is this is laughable (obviously), but the Biden’s better have their story straight when it comes to China. I don’t think Joe Biden is just going to throw Hunter under the bus and say he was misled or manipulated by him either.
He admitted to what? Yeah, that was a quid pro quo on behalf of the United States in accordance with US policy and that of our allies working to remove a man who was not investigating corruption.
So far, only the Democrats seem to be allowed to decide what is relevant
Why should he...what is the relevance? Id hope Roberts would decide...because I see no way it’s relevant to Trumps actions and use of the office and aid.
Sure.
I’ll say this is a mistake. First of all he likely won’t be subpoenaed even if the Republicans got their full wish list, so he went out on a limb for nothing. Secondly failure to comply is indeed a big part of what this is about. Third Hillary did it, twice. - It’s not the same as Hillary was central to Benghazi but it doesn’t matter, it’s impeachment and it’s up to Congress.
Don't worry, he already flip-flopped on the issue. Someone with sense must have explained it to him.
What does it matter, in regards to this impeachment, if it was unlawful? What Biden did is not a part of this impeachment...this is about Trumps actions as POTUS.
Was it "shaking down the Ukraine government" when Biden backed the coup overthrow of the govt in Ukraine? Seems like a shakedown to me, except 1,000,000x worse than a phone call.
Are you talking about Maidan? No, not IMO. There are people involved in this on the Giuliani side who were involved in that though.
He helped overthrow a sovereign govt in Ukraine. Then his failson got a kush job 2 months later. It's preposterous for him to act like he has some sort of moral highground on 'shaking governments down'.
Zlochevsky was Minister of Energy/Resources (essentially) in the prior government and was snug as a bug in their protection. Why would he give Biden a reward for basically screwing up his situation and wrecking his own government?
Is he forbidden from starting a charity in his home state? Like that sleazy?
You mean helping others while denying a child and said support of that child? I guess that balances out. You are right.
The amount of time in this forum spent in criticizing Hunter Biden is, frankly, pathetic. While family members of high level politicians have been subjected to scrutiny in the past (Billy Carter, Neil Bush, Roger Clinton etc.) this is a new low.
