timschochet
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I’m disappointed in Buttigieg. Not the way to win the nomination.
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bigbottom
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I don't have a problem with what Pete said. It's precisely what I think about the situation.
jonessed
Footballguy
This seems obvious, but I’m glad he spoke up on it. It doesn’t seem as obvious to many.First CNN and Kennedy earlier today, now Mayor Pete taking a run at Joe Biden for allowing Hunter to work for the most corrupt company in Ukraine while Joe was VP and dealing directly with Ukraine corruption. Clear coordination from Democrats on this.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mayor-pete-i-wouldnt-want-my-son-on-board-of-ukrainian-gas-company
ren hoek
Footballguy
Another Tim narrative bites the dust.
the moops
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ren hoek
Footballguy
That there really was clear, blatant corruption between the coup govt that Biden helped install in Ukraine, and the kush job Hunter Biden got 2 months after his dad became pointman between the US/coup govt.
Yet, as Tim showed us, the idea that there really is incredibly bad optics here and that clutching pearls for the Biden family would be a bad hill for the Democrats to die on, was basically gaslighted as a rightwing, proTrump urban legend.
Trump’s gonna blast them for this stuff, it’s gonna connect, it’s going to feel good to independents that are tired of the theatrics of an out-of-touch millionaire Democratic Party, and it’s going to be that much harder for Democrats to win over the voting blocs they actually need in 2020.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t think so Ren. No evidence of wrongdoing and I don’t think Trump gets any traction at all on this issue in the general election. All it will do is increase attention on the fact that Trump committed high crimes for which he was impeached, deservedly so.
Max Power
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7840445/Hunter-Bidens-Burisma-dealings-pulled-Arkansas-child-support-suit.html
Can one of the lawyers here break the impact of this down a bit. Is it uncommon for a family court judge to recuse themselves without offering a reason? What would be acceptable reasons since we know it isn't because he had a conflict of interest.
The Big Donkey
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Max Power
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ren hoek
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1212549854016106496?s=20
"The culture. Our culture. Our culture- it's not imported from some African nation, or some Asian nation. It's our English jurisprudential culture. Our European culture."
https://i.imgur.com/IqoKfeb.jpg
"The culture. Our culture. Our culture- it's not imported from some African nation, or some Asian nation. It's our English jurisprudential culture. Our European culture."
https://i.imgur.com/IqoKfeb.jpg
McBokonon
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This has been getting shared without context like crazy. The whole video can be found here:
Here’s a link to one guy out of many who have apologized for sharing the clip without looking into it.
He posts a link to the whole video a couple of replies down.
McBokonon
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squistion
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
I'm in Arkansas, so this is more news here than national news releases
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-arkansas-paternity-case-judge-abruptly-recuses-himself?fbclid=IwAR0pry76ghCJ_3GvqxWfj3n1KwLYl9OPkcWGIqMCSTXF67sJTORlZTC9DFQ
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-arkansas-paternity-case-judge-abruptly-recuses-himself?fbclid=IwAR0pry76ghCJ_3GvqxWfj3n1KwLYl9OPkcWGIqMCSTXF67sJTORlZTC9DFQ
the moops
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timschochet
Footballguy
The latest polling that counts is the same polling as a month ago and 6 months ago- its been very consistent: Joe Biden is extremely likely to be the Democratic nominee.
Two thirds of the South Carolina primary is African-American. This group is dominated by older voters. They are traditional, they are religious, they are establishment, they conservative within the Democratic Party. And Biden, despite his mishaps, despite the Hunter stuff that conservatives (and now some Democrats) keep bringing up, has a huge lead. It’s not going away. Nobody has been able to make a dent, not Buttigieg, not Sanders or Warren.
I think it’s unrealistic to assume that if Biden loses Iowa or New Hampshire or both that will change the dynamics I just described. I know people like to point to 2008 and Iowa changing everything but Obama was black. I simply don’t believe that black voters in the south are going to wake up one day and decide they love Buttigieg or Klobuchar (though I wouldn’t mind that) or Warren or Sanders. It’s not going to happen.
So I think Biden is going to be the guy. However, my biggest fear is that, rather than accept this as it happens, Bernie fans (and possibly Warren supporters as well) are going to blame a fix from the establishment, just as they did in 2016, and start a civil war within the party, creating a path for Trump to be re-elected. I hope that most people reject this and unite behind Joe if he is indeed the nominee.
Two thirds of the South Carolina primary is African-American. This group is dominated by older voters. They are traditional, they are religious, they are establishment, they conservative within the Democratic Party. And Biden, despite his mishaps, despite the Hunter stuff that conservatives (and now some Democrats) keep bringing up, has a huge lead. It’s not going away. Nobody has been able to make a dent, not Buttigieg, not Sanders or Warren.
I think it’s unrealistic to assume that if Biden loses Iowa or New Hampshire or both that will change the dynamics I just described. I know people like to point to 2008 and Iowa changing everything but Obama was black. I simply don’t believe that black voters in the south are going to wake up one day and decide they love Buttigieg or Klobuchar (though I wouldn’t mind that) or Warren or Sanders. It’s not going to happen.
So I think Biden is going to be the guy. However, my biggest fear is that, rather than accept this as it happens, Bernie fans (and possibly Warren supporters as well) are going to blame a fix from the establishment, just as they did in 2016, and start a civil war within the party, creating a path for Trump to be re-elected. I hope that most people reject this and unite behind Joe if he is indeed the nominee.
ren hoek
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ren hoek
Footballguy
What bothered me about the Biden clip wasn't, as the video might suggest, that Biden is a racist. I don't believe Biden is racist, and I don't believe he intended it to come off as though anglosaxons are racially superior to Africans and Asians.
What got me about the clip is how dismissive he is about "some African nation." To me it isn't far removed from saying "some ####hole country." It displays a lack of sensibility that I find very repellent for a person running on the idea of genuine civility and 'restoring norms.' There is no amount of "context" that makes this choice of words ok to me. Biden isn't racist, but he has the sort of baked-in views I would expect from an out of touch 80 year old. It's just time to move past this stuff.
For my part, it was misleading (not intentionally though) to share the clip as if it asserted what it appeared to on the surface. I saw it on journalist Eoin Higgins' timeline, didn't dream there could be a "context" that would make it acceptable either way- I still don't believe it does- and posted away. It is still an absolutely bizarre take on cultural divides to me.
Fact is, Biden's crime bill and aggressive posturing on behalf of the carceral state has done more damage to the poor, vulnerable, and minorities than Trump will know in his lifetime. His treatment of women is creepy and patronizing. He did nothing to confront the massive prison complex for the undocumented that Obama built, that Trump now uses to torment them. His support for the Iraq War destroyed countless millions of lives in the Middle East. No amount of well-intended, horribly-put rhetoric will change that.
What got me about the clip is how dismissive he is about "some African nation." To me it isn't far removed from saying "some ####hole country." It displays a lack of sensibility that I find very repellent for a person running on the idea of genuine civility and 'restoring norms.' There is no amount of "context" that makes this choice of words ok to me. Biden isn't racist, but he has the sort of baked-in views I would expect from an out of touch 80 year old. It's just time to move past this stuff.
For my part, it was misleading (not intentionally though) to share the clip as if it asserted what it appeared to on the surface. I saw it on journalist Eoin Higgins' timeline, didn't dream there could be a "context" that would make it acceptable either way- I still don't believe it does- and posted away. It is still an absolutely bizarre take on cultural divides to me.
Fact is, Biden's crime bill and aggressive posturing on behalf of the carceral state has done more damage to the poor, vulnerable, and minorities than Trump will know in his lifetime. His treatment of women is creepy and patronizing. He did nothing to confront the massive prison complex for the undocumented that Obama built, that Trump now uses to torment them. His support for the Iraq War destroyed countless millions of lives in the Middle East. No amount of well-intended, horribly-put rhetoric will change that.
urbanhack
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Max Power
Footballguy
I think Warren is the establishment DNC, just offering a different brand than Joe. She is also getting support from Obama behind closed doors, which is nothing to sneeze at.
From Sander's fundraising numbers it looks like he gaining some steam again, although I don't think he has much of a chance to be the nominee.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Did you really look at the quote Dale provided? I don’t think so. Biden was saying it wasn’t African or Asian culture because he was putting the onus on Anglo common law culture. What other 18th century culture should he have been pointing to for exclusion, post Incan or maybe Ottoman? It’s easy to understand, and he said this in March, it was a story on CNN and elsewhere. This whole thing is a Reddit born incitement device. It’s created and disseminated to spread division. And Mooncult may be entertaining but absorb and cite it at your own risk, there’s some ugly stuff in there.
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SaintsInDome2006
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I don’t doubt the left or anti-anti-Trump wing can be just as tempted as the right to use mis/disinformation because it has effect. That’s often where that set intersects with the alt right.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
In my opinion, perfect early statement about Qassem Soleimani from Biden:
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1212954848666234880
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1212954848666234880
Cowboysfan8
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Gopher State
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Widbil83
Footballguy
Who breaks up (who dates in the first place) with their brothers widow and knocks up a stripper in the same year? Heck of a 2019 for Hunter.Hunter's stripper baby mama
Widbil83
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
Great piece. I was telling some people in the other thread last week that when I was in Iowa last month there was zero enthusiasm for Biden. Much less than even in 2016 when I was there before the caucuses for Hillary.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yaknow, I read this stuff sometimes and I have to remind myself that Trump did worse than Romney, as he got 45% of the vote.
This is at least half Trump's campaign strategy, isn't that a fair statement?
Widbil83
Footballguy
Is there really a strategy needed here? I’m starting to become skeptical that Biden could last 2 weeks alone on the campaign trail after he wins the nomination without completely bottoming out.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
Biden really needs to knock this stuff off. Sniffing kids is weird and making them keep publicly acknowledged secrets is child molestation grooming 101. Not saying that is what he is doing, but how he presents himself aligns with those techniques.
https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1213615495401725954
https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1213615495401725954
HellToupee
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/timrunshismouth/status/1213649366210232322?s=21
WATCH AND CRINGE! Joe Biden compares himself to "the token black" and "token woman" and discuss how he's 'ready to prostitute himself.'
For bonus points, he says the American public "rips off politicians" like him.
WATCH AND CRINGE! Joe Biden compares himself to "the token black" and "token woman" and discuss how he's 'ready to prostitute himself.'
For bonus points, he says the American public "rips off politicians" like him.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
ren hoek
Footballguy
Hours before the invasion was launched, on March 19, 2003, Biden told CNN: “I support the president. I support the troops. We should make no distinction. … Let's get this war done.”
Not only did Biden avowedly support the war before it began, he furnished some of the key pro-war talking points that the Bush administration used to convince the country of the invasion’s legitimacy. The day of Colin Powell’s infamous speech at the United Nations Security Council – on Feb. 5, 2003 – Biden, then the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, addressed reporters to praise Powell’s performance. “I think Secretary Powell made a very powerful, and I think irrefutable, case today,” Biden said. “… The evidence he produced confirms what I believe and I have known for some time now: Saddam Hussein continues to – he continues to attempt to maintain and garner additional weapons of mass destruction.”
“The case is overwhelming,” Biden said.
In that press conference, Biden predicted that the U.S. military will “‘initially be greeted in the region, and in Iraq, in a way that is close to being viewed as liberators” – the same formulation favored by **** Cheney, who infamously went on “Meet the Press” days before the invasion to proclaim his belief that American soldiers would be “greeted as liberators.” Biden also posited that there was “cooperation” between Iraq and al-Qaeda, warning of an “emerging pattern” from Saddam Hussein that “may throw him into the arms of who our most central and most serious enemy is now, a non-state actor called al-Qaeda. So he must be dealt with. He must be dealt with.”
Biden is lying about his record on the Iraq War. He is such a bad candidate. He will get pounded hard on this stuff and lose: https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1214659091261464576
Not only did Biden avowedly support the war before it began, he furnished some of the key pro-war talking points that the Bush administration used to convince the country of the invasion’s legitimacy. The day of Colin Powell’s infamous speech at the United Nations Security Council – on Feb. 5, 2003 – Biden, then the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, addressed reporters to praise Powell’s performance. “I think Secretary Powell made a very powerful, and I think irrefutable, case today,” Biden said. “… The evidence he produced confirms what I believe and I have known for some time now: Saddam Hussein continues to – he continues to attempt to maintain and garner additional weapons of mass destruction.”
“The case is overwhelming,” Biden said.
In that press conference, Biden predicted that the U.S. military will “‘initially be greeted in the region, and in Iraq, in a way that is close to being viewed as liberators” – the same formulation favored by **** Cheney, who infamously went on “Meet the Press” days before the invasion to proclaim his belief that American soldiers would be “greeted as liberators.” Biden also posited that there was “cooperation” between Iraq and al-Qaeda, warning of an “emerging pattern” from Saddam Hussein that “may throw him into the arms of who our most central and most serious enemy is now, a non-state actor called al-Qaeda. So he must be dealt with. He must be dealt with.”
Biden is lying about his record on the Iraq War. He is such a bad candidate. He will get pounded hard on this stuff and lose: https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1214659091261464576
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I don’t want Biden as the nominee but after all the accusations levied against Trump and the reactions of his supporters I find it pretty ironic you post this and the reactions you got. “I’m not saying Trump is...”
Zegras11
Footballguy
Congratulations to Joe on his new 6th grandchild (Hunter's DNA-verified love child) and soon to be 7th grandchild (Hunter's new wife's pregnancy)!.
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Widbil83
Footballguy
Oof.
David Sirota@davidsirota
BREAKING: Video emerges of @JoeBiden criticizing antiwar Dems, praising Bush for leading America into the Iraq War & promising he will support Bush's continuation of the war
"The president of the United States is a bold leader & he is popular...I & many others will support him"
https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1216381872982200320?s=21
David Sirota@davidsirota
BREAKING: Video emerges of @JoeBiden criticizing antiwar Dems, praising Bush for leading America into the Iraq War & promising he will support Bush's continuation of the war
"The president of the United States is a bold leader & he is popular...I & many others will support him"
https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1216381872982200320?s=21
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