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***Official Joe Biden Campaign Thread (7 Viewers)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
He’s not but damn, the guy is a mess (with a big heart). People were burying him a month ago and now he’s the savior of the party? I’m skeptical but I’ll enthusiastically vote for him if it works out that way.
msommer
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
This used to be true but I think those days are past. It's getting difficult to even watch him stammer and gaffe. He's not getting better, he's in serious decline. And we haven't even reached the starting line.
He was the "cool VP" to one of the most popular Presidents ever. Should have quit on top.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
This to me is what it comes down to.
I'm not saying other people are wrong - I'm saying I think there's a fundamental difference in opinion on how people are defining what the "game" is.
A great many smart people think the "game" in November is to put forth the best Democrat that would be a great President.
I lean more towards the "game" is to put forth the best Democrat that can beat President Trump.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
The problem is that nobody knows who that is. There's certainly nothing in the swing state polling data we have to date that suggests that Biden is more likely to beat Trump than Sanders. Most of what we've seen have either beating Trump (albeit narrowly), with one Quinnipac outlier showing Trump pretty much waxing either of them.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I dont know enough about the demo to comment with conviction, but I've read multiple places he wont get enough out of particular groups to win that state. Need to investigate more, but if someone has the data...
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
That is wild. Biden's getting a monster bump out of winning the 3rd primary, after no one got much of anything from winning IA or NH. Have a feeling Biden's going to have a really big day today.
Seriously considering a big nasty nose-holding vote just to push someone palatable to a wide range of folks towards a clear majority.
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NutterButter
Footballguy
The effect of bidens age is definitely a big concern, but he's the best hope we have.
Todem
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t agree. I’ve been watching Biden in recent days give interviews and speeches, and my firm impression is that he sounds sharper and more clear minded than he has in months. It’s as if he’s drawing off the energy around him. I’ve made this comparison a few times before, but at the moment he reminds me very much of Ronald Reagan in 1984.
timschochet
Footballguy
I will give you one word to explain why I don’t believe Bernie Sanders will win Florida. That word is Fidel.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Biden will be fine. It's not like he's going against a young, sound, well sounding Republican. Trump's not going to beat him down with some sort of William Jennings Bryan oration......he'd get more pop from his base if, instead of giving a great soliloquy, he just pointed at Biden every time Biden was speaking in the debate and ran his finger over his lips in the "bluh-bluh-bluh-bluh" motion.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s not supposed to be comforting nor worrying. It is what it is, at least IMO.
Sweet J
Footballguy
Up until yesterday I was going Bernie. But then one of his fans stupidly posted about his "student loan forgiveness" plan. And I read about it. Holy smokes that's the STUPIDEST idea in the world. Made me mad just reading about it.
Pulled this trigger for Biden this morning in VA.
Pulled this trigger for Biden this morning in VA.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Another advantage of Biden is that Trump won't be able to lay off the Burisma/Ukraine stuff. Basically reminding Dems every day that he's colluded with foreign governments twice to interfere in our elections. No one that wasn't already going to vote for Trump is going to buy that stuff this time around, but it will help keep Dems jacked up to vote.
IMO of course.
IMO of course.
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Workhorse
Footballguy
Based on the latest polling in VA, TX and NC, Biden is going to have a VERY strong night tonight.
timschochet
Footballguy
Obviously I’m not for Bernie, but I don’t understand posts like this. If Bernie is elected his actual chance of getting student loan forgiveness is slim to none. Why are you voting based on his view on an issue that’s so unlikely to happen?
Workhorse
Footballguy
Bernie winning Arizona? I think that's unlikely.
Look, if Biden wins PA and FL (which I think is VERY doable), nobody will care about Wisconsin.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Bernie started pushing this idea in 2016. It was one of his first of everything is free to “you” ideas.
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Pretty much how I feel. I'd definitely vote for him over Trump (or Bernie over Trump) but Biden is losing it. https://twitter.com/i/status/1234573252221120513
Shame we couldn't get a younger candidate to be the Dem nominee (Pete or Amy).
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Sweet J
Footballguy
If it's never going to happen, why is he running on it? That's almost MORE stupid.
It's a horrible idea he should be embarrassed about. It's a slap in the face to people like me, who told his kid he can't go to his chosen school because it's too expensive, and graduating with $100 debt vs. virtually no debt is a horrible idea. He would reward a bad choices like that? Aren't you a little embarrassed to have to defend it?
Take_The_Shot
Footballguy
Bernie winning OH? When is the last time you've been through rural Ohio? It's more Trump country today than it was in 2016. Trump won the rural counties by ~800k, and if his opponent is a "democratic socialist" that margin of victory would only go up. Bernie needs to sprout 5 new major cities in the next 8 months here for him to have a remote shot at it.
Sweet J
Footballguy
Look, I can get behind government funded universal free childcare. Especially for single mothers or fathers. But this? Ugh.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
"Don't worry. If he wins, my candidate of choice will be too politically emasculated to enact any of his obviously-crazy policy proposals."
Can you see why this isn't a winning sales pitch?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yep, Bernie would need to one-up Obama's record urban turnout to even have a shot here. I don't know if Biden will win Ohio, but he at least has a shot. The ratios in the suburbs will shift vs 2016 and he will draw urban turnout.
timschochet
Footballguy
If Bernie wins the nomination, this will indeed be my main argument this summer.
identikit
Footballguy
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Not even focusing on electability , I think a Biden administration - gaffes and all - is better for the country than a Sanders or Trump administration. And these seem to be the only three realistic possible outcomes at this stage.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Sweet J
Footballguy
For democracy's sake, I would hope it would be something more along the lines of "an earlier plan didn't outline all the details. This more nuanced plan shows why we aren't going to just cancel all debt without putting some thought into it."
timschochet
Footballguy
No. While I don’t blame you at all for feeling that way, personally I never look at political issues in terms of fairness or unfairness. I look at them in terms of what benefits us best as a society. If I believed that forgiving student loans was a viable issue (I don’t) and that it would benefit society (I think I do) then it wouldn’t matter to me that it was a slap in the face to you and others. (Well, it would matter, but it wouldn’t affect my decision.)
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Welp, if you asked me a week ago who I was voting for, I would have said undecided between a few different candidates, but Biden would not have been among those. Times have changed. Voted for Biden in VA this morning.
NutterButter
Footballguy
That's just the icing on the cake for me. I get to vote for the guy I think has the best chance of beating trump as well as the guy that I think has the best chance of accomplishing something as president that I agree with.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Read the rest of his plans. They all come across to me as an undergrad student who did the first hour of research and started writing.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Bernie may well be leading in the national popular vote. But he can’t get the states he needs to. I think he could have made it through in 2016 when the Republicans were in disarray - but this year the entire machine is working together for Trump and we have five years of dissection of his ideas.
Realistically, I don’t see Bernie winning more than 22 states, and none of them are Florida.
Realistically, I don’t see Bernie winning more than 22 states, and none of them are Florida.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
It is getting him support from the younger crowd. This is campaign season. Candidates say the darnedest things right now to get votes. A lot of people thought Obama was giving them free phones.
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
Yeah, Bernie worries me in on an electoral vote basis too. Besides President, I worry about trickle down on all of the down ballot stuff -- Congressmen and congresswomen in swing districts, and state elections. State elections are going to be particularly important on a national level due to redistricting.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Yeah. Lindsey Graham could realistically lose to a Democrat this cycle - if the downballot races get a boost from the top of the ticket. Lots of states and districts are in play that usually aren’t because of Trump.Don Quixote said:
And Joe will only go four years. Hopefully whoever his VP pick is will be ready then.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
If Bernie gets the nomination, I think there is very little chance Bernie walks back to the center like most traditional candidates do after the primary. He is who he is.Phil Elliott said:
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I'm starting to warm up to Biden, oddly, because of his age. Yes, he's old but, I think he is going to accelerate the careers of many young (relatively speaking) people on the national stage - Buttigieg, Castro, and Abrams, to name three. And, having thought about it, I'm convinced Kamala Harris will be his VP pick, setting her up for the 2024 or 2028 run.
In a vacuum, I like Warren more than Biden, but I still think Warren's ultimate calling is to serve as the Senate majority leader.
In a vacuum, I like Warren more than Biden, but I still think Warren's ultimate calling is to serve as the Senate majority leader.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
There are recent polls of Sanders leading Trump in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. There's even one from October where he's leading in Ohio.
Of course, it's early. And, of course, polls will fluctuate. And there is a lot of volatile stuff going on with the virus and the economy that can change things. Plus there will undoubtedly be some other surprises.
But what I don't understand is why so many people think these polls are so overwhelming likely to swing in Trump's favor.
Of course, it's early. And, of course, polls will fluctuate. And there is a lot of volatile stuff going on with the virus and the economy that can change things. Plus there will undoubtedly be some other surprises.
But what I don't understand is why so many people think these polls are so overwhelming likely to swing in Trump's favor.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Tens of millions of American voters rely on anecdotal evidence about a lot of stuff, including elections. The '16 election meant, to them, that "polls are wrong."
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