Thanks. So could one make the case even if Northram resigns, they'll not be in a worse place than they were before? And in what would be a crazy turn, maybe even in a possibly better spot if the new person in charge is excellent?
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VA Gov. Ralph Northam Yearbook Photo - LG and AG Scandals Too (1 Viewer)
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squistion
Footballguy
Yes, I was watching a panel discussion on MSNBC AmJoy this morning of progressives who were mostly African American and they all thought it would turn out for the best for Virginia and the Democratic Party nationally if Fairfax were to step in.
timschochet
Footballguy
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[scooter]
Footballguy
If Northam knew that someone was threatening to release the picture, then he should have resigned or he should have immediately addressed the issue with the public. Otherwise his entire tenure would be compromised by the specter of blackmail.
Actually, if he remembered the picture at all then he should have addressed it during the campaign. Let the voters decide if his youthful 'indiscretion' can be forgiven or not.
timschochet
Footballguy
matttyl
Footballguy
Not sure I’d go that far. Going from a ~60 year old pediatric neurosurgeon with prior military experience to a guy 20 years younger who up until a month before the election had a license plate of “Stunna” (so I’ve been told - I’m a Virginian) seems a bit of a step down in terms of someone who can lead.
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Shula-holic
Footballguy
I'm a little confused how he wasn't sure whether or not that was him in the photo last night. Last night it was him, today it's not. If someone approached me and said this is you in blackface or a KKK robe I could affirmatively say immediately, "No that's not me. I've never done either".
If it's not him and somehow it's a mistake that picture was put on his page then I think it's fair to give him a shot to make that case. But again I think I'd know if even a photo of someone else who had been confused with me had ended up on my yearbook page and I'd have a better answer than he had last night if that was the case.
Also, as someone brought up earlier, there's little doubt in my mind this came up due to the infanticide comments he made earlier. Someone knew this was out there and those comments motivated someone to try and torpedo his career.
If it's not him and somehow it's a mistake that picture was put on his page then I think it's fair to give him a shot to make that case. But again I think I'd know if even a photo of someone else who had been confused with me had ended up on my yearbook page and I'd have a better answer than he had last night if that was the case.
Also, as someone brought up earlier, there's little doubt in my mind this came up due to the infanticide comments he made earlier. Someone knew this was out there and those comments motivated someone to try and torpedo his career.
timschochet
Footballguy
He’ll get a chance to prove himself. You know how football fans are always excited when the new QB comes off the bench that they’ve never seen before? No matter how little they know about the guy, they’re always hoping for some kind of magic. It’s the same phenomenon here.
adonis
Footballguy
Here's one of the players involved defending her comments.
Again, a hallmark of our society is to take snippets of folks conversations that seem designed to outrage folks on sensitive subjects, and imply that it's 100% what they intended to say fully, and that there's no nuance.
Media these days, in all forms, is geared to cause us to react, emotionally, and the strongest of those is anger and frustration and righteousness. I'm naturally skeptical of ANY news stories that cause me to have this reaction, because almost always there's more nuance there, behind the scenes, that's left out in order to drive readers to a story.
I don't feel that late term abortion has widespread support. There aren't a ton of folks I'm aware of who are OK with it in anything but absolutely dire situations where the mother will die imminently. In fact, I've known a woman who died because she was unwilling to sacrifice the life of her baby at a late stage, where this kind of procedure would be the only thing that could save her. The baby lived, she died. Was it the right outcome? I don't know.
But I do know that most folks treat the late term abortion conversation tenderly, and that most folks have respect for life, and for the well-being of the unborn child.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I think he’ll be great. Young, but former federal prosecutor and has consistently impressed me since he first ran for AG 5-6 years ago. He would have been the favorite for the Democratic Governor candidate in 2021 (probably would have gone head to head with the person who beat him for AG back in his AG race).
The one term limit rule won’t apply to Fairfax, so he can run as an incumbent in 2021. So, I think Democrats would still be in a good position with Fairfax.
timschochet
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
It’s the natural instinct of their bias.
Also so love seeing throw out the bowf sidez after always knocking it.
[scooter]
Footballguy
What is baffling to you? The fact that he dressed up and posed for the picture? The fact that it didn't become public until 2019? The fact that many people are calling for him to resign (or the fact that some people are saying he shouldn't resign)?
I don't think any of it is baffling. Northam grew up in an environment where racial insensitivity was tolerated for years. It doesn't surprise me at all that someone who grew up in that environment would think it's "No big deal" to wear a racially insensitive costume, then pose for a picture, then approve that picture's publication.
squistion
Footballguy
I think you have been told wrong and that may be an urban legend. I just did a Google search for Justin Fairfax+ license plate and Justin Fairfax+Stunna and couldn't find anything (although perhaps I wasn't using the right search terms).
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
Yeah, agreed. That may be the one thing that results in him not resigning — never has to worry about facing accountability from voters.
[scooter]
Footballguy
His point was that these chyron mistakes are isolated and aren't limited to any political leaning. Then he backed up that point with links.
Your post brought nothing to the conversation.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
The photo being in the yearbook makes this crazy. This isn't a picture somebody dug out of their attic. It is so crazy on all levels. How racist was this med school?Joe Bryant said:
It is pretty clear he was very racist as a young man. If he has had life experiences that has had him change his views he needs to come clean and express this. Otherwise resign.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Like your initial post calling him 24 and immature? Just immaturity eh.....great contribution helping show what blinders you have on. Party first all the time in here for you.
adonis
Footballguy
It's odd to me that folks see this as proof he was a racist. I think this is proof that at this point in his life he had poor judgment, was incredibly insensitive, and perhaps enjoyed shocking people's sensibilities.
But to me, if he was truly racist, this isn't a picture he'd have selected. I'm fairly sure that advertising blatant racism was not OK at that time, in that place, but rather this picture was seen as showing something else, but in today's climate, in a broader context than just the recipients of that yearbook, it's a sign of something else.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Sounds like complete lies don’t you think? Is he claiming someone snuck this in the yearbook? Last night he said it was him but now it wasn’t as maybe he confused it with another time he dressed as KKK.....what a mess he seems to be making even bigger.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
How do you not recognize sarcasm, dude? I even put the emoticon in there just in case there was any doubt.
[scooter] said:Well, he was just 24 years old and in medical school. If that doesn't define immaturity, I don't know what does.shader said:
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Same with Al Franken. He was immediately call upon to resign and he did.
Everything, including allegations of being a child molester, and republicans circle the wagons. I hate that I considered myself a republican for over a decade.
GoBirds
Footballguy
So this is where you blame the South for his actions I assume? Please expand on this terrible environment he grew up in that this wouldn’t be a big deal?
I’m sure you would act just the same if there was an (R) next to his name on all stations not just CNN?
This is beyond baffling and pretty disgusting.
[scooter]
Footballguy
You really need a history lesson here? You really need evidence that Virginia tolerated racism in the '60s?
I mean, let me know if you're really that ignorant. I don't have time to go through it all but I'm sure Tim's got a few things cued up that he could let you know about.
matttyl
Footballguy
I couldn’t either. Heard from a friend who was his neighbor. Of course, if 36 hours ago I told you that the governor of Virginia used to dress up like he was in the KKK, you would have found that hard to believe as well.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
It is evidence of terrible judgement and racism. He needed to be really racist to remotely think this is OK. It is horrifying to think of what they were doing in these costumes before this picture.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I hate to defend Republicans but it’s important to note the different situations in these circumstances. It’s “easy” for a party to turn on their own when that person will just be replaced by another member of their own party. Dems criticizing Franken and Northam knew/know that their party won’t lose power if the guy resigns. For Republicans to support Doug Jones over Roy Moore actually would represent a political sacrifice. Which, yes, they should have made that sacrifice. But I can’t think of any examples where Dems called on one of their own to resign where that would lead to a Republican getting the seat. Most Dems were pretty quiet about Senator Menenedez this cycle even though he was credibly charged with corruption.
GoBirds
Footballguy
You really need to take your blinders off. I live in Virginia and don’t need you or a Californian telling me about it. The excuses you make are pathetic but I love that you continually expose yourself as a party first follower that deserves the zero credibility you have. Sad but not surprising.You really need a history lesson here? You really need evidence that Virginia tolerated racism in the '60s?
I mean, let me know if you're really that ignorant. I don't have time to go through it all but I'm sure Tim's got a few things cued up that he could let you know about.
My mom sent me a statement put out by EVMS:
EVMS The following is an important statement from Richard V. Homan, MD, EVMS President and Provost, Dean of the School of Medicine: We share the outrage, alarm and sadness voiced by our alumni, the press and many on social media regarding the picture published in the 1984 student yearbook. The picture is shockingly abhorrent and absolutely antithetical to the principles, morals and values we hold and espouse of our educational and research institution and our professions. Racism and discrimination in any form is not acceptable. We cannot change the events of the past, but we can use these events as reminders of the importance of our ongoing work toward diversity and inclusion. This is a time for self-reflection and humility. On behalf of our beloved EVMS, I sincerely apologize for the past transgressions of your trust. We recognize the need to address and rectify any issues of racism and discrimination that arise, at any point — and will continue a long tradition of action to build a strong culture of diversity and inclusion. Therefore, I shall convene an urgent meeting of members of our senior leadership and members of our Boards to address this issue holistically for EVMS. We will, of course, include students, residents, faculty, staff, and alumni in this work. It has been said that those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. We must learn from this and will come together to support and live the values and principles we hold so dear. We remain steadfast in reassuring our community that EVMS is absolutely committed to supporting and creating a culture of diversity, inclusion and social equality. We continue to affirm the tenets of our professions and our mission to recruit, educate and train a culturally competent healthcare workforce that reflects the demography of our nation and the patients we serve.
EVMS The following is an important statement from Richard V. Homan, MD, EVMS President and Provost, Dean of the School of Medicine: We share the outrage, alarm and sadness voiced by our alumni, the press and many on social media regarding the picture published in the 1984 student yearbook. The picture is shockingly abhorrent and absolutely antithetical to the principles, morals and values we hold and espouse of our educational and research institution and our professions. Racism and discrimination in any form is not acceptable. We cannot change the events of the past, but we can use these events as reminders of the importance of our ongoing work toward diversity and inclusion. This is a time for self-reflection and humility. On behalf of our beloved EVMS, I sincerely apologize for the past transgressions of your trust. We recognize the need to address and rectify any issues of racism and discrimination that arise, at any point — and will continue a long tradition of action to build a strong culture of diversity and inclusion. Therefore, I shall convene an urgent meeting of members of our senior leadership and members of our Boards to address this issue holistically for EVMS. We will, of course, include students, residents, faculty, staff, and alumni in this work. It has been said that those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. We must learn from this and will come together to support and live the values and principles we hold so dear. We remain steadfast in reassuring our community that EVMS is absolutely committed to supporting and creating a culture of diversity, inclusion and social equality. We continue to affirm the tenets of our professions and our mission to recruit, educate and train a culturally competent healthcare workforce that reflects the demography of our nation and the patients we serve.
squistion
Footballguy
Good thing to dial in on.
Jamil SmithVerified account @JamilSmith 18h18 hours ago
Northam needs to explain “Coonman,” too.
https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/1091492972787421184 (photo of yearbook photo with "coonman" caption at link)
GoBirds
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
GoBirds there have been some elements of double standard involving aspects of this story and you’re right to point them out. But you’re overstating the case a little as well.
squistion
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
I'm not a member of the Democrat party. I'm a former Republican who will remain an independent as long as ~35% of the Republican party supports people like Trump.You really need to take your blinders off. I live in Virginia and don’t need you or a Californian telling me about it. The excuses you make are pathetic but I love that you continually expose yourself as a party first follower that deserves the zero credibility you have. Sad but not surprising.You really need a history lesson here? You really need evidence that Virginia tolerated racism in the '60s?
I mean, let me know if you're really that ignorant. I don't have time to go through it all but I'm sure Tim's got a few things cued up that he could let you know about.
You live in a state that tolerated racism for hundreds of years, well into the years in which Ralph Northam grew up.
If you cannot recognize or reconcile that fact, then I would suggest that you are the one who needs to remove his blinders.
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squistion
Footballguy
It could be...maybe there is an innocent explanation, like it was a "drinking game" (cough cough) but as Jonathan Alter just said on MSNBC, if he can't adequately explain it, then after that taken with the Klan costume photo, he will have to step down.What’s your prediction on that one? Raccoon related?
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timschochet
Footballguy
Unless you stated a historical falsehood I would never attempt to lecture you or anybody else about civil rights history. Especially if you’re a resident of the South (which I didn’t know.)
My daughters have both taken 20th Century American History in high school very recently, and one of my big criticisms is that they are fed story after story about the villainous South, without ever told about racial discrimination, often just as bad or worse, that took place in the north and the rest of the country. It’s revisionist history and it paints one region of the country much worse than all the rest.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Call yourself what you want, you are making excuses for an obvious racist based on not being an (R). I live in Virginia and don’t know anyone that dresses in a white hood. Have fun.
timschochet
Footballguy
Illinois tolerated racism for hundreds of years as well. So did Michigan. So, as a matter of fact, did my home of California.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Fair point.
BTW, the new talking point is how CNN labeled Northam an R in the chyron. From what I understand it was for 9 whole seconds. This is a VERY big deal to republicans on social media.
See you guys Monday, going to get lit for two days with my friends.
timschochet
Footballguy
Housing discrimination in Chicago and Detroit lasted some 5 years after that decision.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Glad we can agree this is going to make for great TV.
Hopefully he makes the correct decision and ends this by stepping down.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
For people that pay attention, this is really really good stuff right here
I don't know where you live now, nor where you grew up - but I grew up in the 70's and early 80's in the Tidewater area - living on both sides of the water.
Its a blue-collar area - and it was pretty racist. Desegregation was still a thing in the 1970s. Everyone mostly kept to their own - but I think that fueled more racist attitudes.