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So I’m not the only one who thinks Hunt might be a little overrated. Don’t get me wrong! He’s a good player. But he is also a product of the KC offense. As you said, D Will looked like an All Pro there. Will be interesting to see with the chances he gets. Chubb doesn’t have much film yet, and I will say he is touted maybe a bit more on the board than IRL, but the kid has a pedigree like few others.
If we apply this line of thinking to other players/teams is it fair to say L. Bell is overrated based on what Conner/Samuels did this past season? Is it fair to say that Gurley is overrated based on what C.J. Anderson did in Curley's absence? Asking for a friend.
Just one piece of the pie. Not the backbone of an argument. Should have known someone would have foamed at the mouth and immediately picked it apart.
No just the ability of some people to focus in on one singular sentence rather than seeing the post as a whole. It’s like walking on egg shells around here and I feel as if I need to proof read my posts so one misconstrued or overly emphasized sentence does not completely drown the point of a post.
The difference is that Damien Williams (UDFA) has been in the league for a while and done very little. CJA was PFF's sixth rated RB in 2017 when he ran for 1000 yards on a poor Denver offense, so I honestly wasn't surprised by what he did in a good offense. Conner remains to be seen, although he was a 3rd round draft pick and may turn out to be talented in his own right, I didn't find his performance quite up to snuff with Bell's performance in that offense. But I'd be lying if I said Conner's performance has put a damper on my expectations for Bell outside of PIT.
Not saying he's "definitive proof," but when he makes a bold call like that and it seems to play out, I think it is worth noting.
Why do you keep posting this when it's not true? The automatic six games suspension is applied to domestic violence situations only. The other two altercations (if they even happened) are alleged fights in a bar with another male - that does not carry an automatic suspension. McCoy beat up an off duty cop in a bar and was not suspended at all.The Frankman said:
The other difference is that, at least as a runner, CJA didn't just keep up with Gurley he wildly outperformed him. CJA averaged 7 (!) ypc in that offense.
True on all accounts, but small samples, defensive scheme, and fresh legs can also play a part. Never been sure how much to account for fresh legs. Seems like something that could be largely overstated. Either way, I don't think comparing Damien Williams to CJA is fair since CJA has historically been quite good when healthy and was just coming off a high PFF rating the season before.
I don't see him with the Browns very long. Once all the teams know his suspension I suspect there will be interest in him as a RFA and be willing to offer more than the Browns offer him.
I sincerely doubt there are any favors here. He's doing what's in the best interest for the Browns. Sign him cheaply, represents some insurance for 2nd half of 2019, and then tender a 2nd round or original round tender on him for 2020. Either they get a 2nd or 3rd round pick if he walks or...sign him to long term deal and let Duke go and recoup about $8m over the remaining 2 years.
Not really. CJ did not play almost the entire year, comes in fresh legged, gives you 3 good games two of which were against teams that were out of contention late in the season and then he quickly petered out. Also in the 3 full games the two of them played together Gurley was at 5.3 YPC to his 4.1.
I haven’t seen anyone say that Hunt isn’t good but I think a lot of people question that he’s special. I think Chubb is special as a runner and always thought he had more talent than Gurley before injury. You may disagree but there’s more than a few people who think that way. Not sure where you and a couple of others get this idea that Chubb wasn’t an elite talent and way ahead of Hunt. There’s some ridiculous stuff being said in here and it’s not about Hunt.
I’d love to see a poll of DCs in the league asked if it matters to them whether they’re defending Kareem Hunt or Damien Williams or CJA vs Gurley for that matter. Some of you guys are starting to get kinda silly.
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Never say never, but unless another back is brought in I can't see the Browns thinking about trading Duke before this time next year. And too much will change between now and then to have a good conversation about those possibilities now. Let the cards shake themselves out then figure out what to do next year then - next year.
I'd agree. I can't see this being any type of "favors". This feels like strictly business. The Browns weighed the PR hit and the availability question vs the upside of a quality player at a cheap price and made a business decision.
Added Cap Savings, given I think that’s going to come into play in 2020 and decision on whether or not to retain Hunt.
I know the contracts on the roster. Cap space is always a consideration for every team. Not sure why you insist in the belief that your Browns are somehow exempt from this.
You're reading too much into this, semantics doesnt generate good dialogue. If pending free agents ball then they can earn an extension without hesitation given the current assets in place.
Never said they couldn’t. Nothing I said hinges on semantics.
You said it's going to come into play to re sign him. If he balls then it won't. If you want him then allocate funny money with an out after 2021.
I didn't but honestly they're interchangeable from the cap perspective. If the browns want to extend or keep those currently under contract they can without worrying about the future.
Even for (potentially) half a year's production? That doesn't seem like enough to accept even half the headaches.
Yes, I understand you believe the Browns can spend whatever they want, they have no financial limitations, they have no need to pursue other free agents or extend contracts.
Your being obtuse isn't going to change your being wrong about any running back contract not impacting the team's roster decisions over the next 3 years.
That's the real question @daveRdaveR said:
Domestic Violence Policy is a misnomer and the sensationalist MSM has no interest in getting it right. DVP refers to the collective actions, stances, and responses the NFL takes with regards to player behavior when domestic concerns are involved, not any set of behaviors or penalties. What the NFL did in 2014 as part of establishing these new actions, stances, and responses is update the Personal Conduct Policy to specify these minimums but did not limit that to domestic incidents. I do not know how the previous policy was worded.
This is not necessarily the case. There could easily be a case made that the hotel incident had nothing to do with domestic or dating violence and did not rise to a felony level. Far more likely the NFL wants this to go quietly and make an agreement with Hunt for fewer games, but he waives his appeals, and it's all done.
Video evidence and deception to KC was reason enough to cut him and for no team to pick up the hot potato until now.
He's facing a minimum of six games and has other 'allegations' pending.
Browns only investment/risk is PR not cap and they don't lose a roster spot since he goes on one of those lists.
Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm not seeing the potential for a long-term contract / tenure with the Browns. The video didn't convince me of much.
